2008 ACC Discussion

[GaTechBuckeye]

I was at the SEC Championship game. I was not impressed.

I was at Alabama Tulane also (my girlfriend is a Bama lifer).

I just don't buy into the SEC is holier than though. Part of it I will admit is my blind hatred for UGA and I would be lying if I were not bitter about Florida and LSU. I love my buckeyes and I refuse to believe that we portrayed our product in those two games.

I watched some great plays against Alabama. In particular, I'm still smiling at the fake option shovel pass (I love good football). It was a fun game to be at. But yes I will with a straight face tell you they were not the best team I've seen this season. I don't buy it. They aren't that good.

Oklahoma might be that good. I like Sam Bradford.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm an obnoxious fan. I'll also openly admit that my intention here was not to convince you that the ACC actually is the best conference. I really just wanted to make a case for my guys. I would be satisfied if I did my team justice in opening your eyes that we do have fans and we are just as obnoxious as the next guy. So next year, when you're watching a Tech game and the stadium isn't full. You better believe I'm going to be there making as much noise as possible. After all, that's what it's all about. I learned from the best.

 

[billmac91]

I'm not sure why bragging about the ACC's depth is awesome, when the top teams can't hang.

FSU came within an eyelash of making the ACC championship game, and got blasted by UF.

Wake got beat by Navy at home. And blasted by Maryland.

Maryland lost to Middle Tennessee St. They also lost 31-0 at Virginia. They also lost at home 37-3 against FSU.

Virginia got hammered 45-10 by mediocre UCONN.

A mediocre South Carolina team blasted NC State 34-0. USF also treated the wolfpack like red-headed stepchildren by spanking them 41-10.

ACC Champion, Va Tech lost at home to East Carolina. East Carolina went on to lose 3 or 4 games.

I'm just not buying, and I'm an FSU grad. Some say it is quality depth, I say it is average teams knocking each other off to 6+ win seasons and bowl eleigibility. The league is made of average teams capable of beating one another on any given Saturday.

Give credit to Ga Tech for beating Georgia, but 1 quality OOC game doesn't make a good/great conference. Ole Miss was a decent win, but Wake craps it away losing to Navy and getting blasted by other ACC teams, with worse losses than Navy. Just inconsistency everywhere....signs of average teams.

 

[HailToMichigan]

I'm not sure why bragging about the ACC's depth is awesome, when the top teams can't hang.

FSU came within an eyelash of making the ACC championship game, and got blasted by UF.

Wake got beat by Navy at home. And blasted by Maryland.

Maryland lost to Middle Tennessee St. They also lost 31-0 at Virginia. They also lost at home 37-3 against FSU.

Virginia got hammered 45-10 by mediocre UCONN.

A mediocre South Carolina team blasted NC State 34-0. USF also treated the wolfpack like red-headed stepchildren by spanking them 41-10.

ACC Champion, Va Tech lost at home to East Carolina. East Carolina went on to lose 3 or 4 games.

I'm just not buying, and I'm an FSU grad. Some say it is quality depth, I say it is average teams knocking each other off to 6+ win seasons and bowl eleigibility. The league is made of average teams capable of beating one another on any given Saturday.

Give credit to Ga Tech for beating Georgia, but 1 quality OOC game doesn't make a good/great conference. Ole Miss was a decent win, but Wake craps it away losing to Navy and getting blasted by other ACC teams, with worse losses than Navy. Just inconsistency everywhere....signs of average teams.

Well, first off, your let-me-throw-a-bone-and-give-credit list is woefully short. You fault NC State for losing to South Carolina, but no credit to Clemson for beating them? You fault UVA (the 11th best team in the conference, mind you) for losing to UConn, but no credit to UNC for housing them? You mention that ECU "went on to have four losses" and you fail to mention that two of them were to ACC teams.

FSU against UF doesn't even figure in. Nobody ever said the ACC's best match up well against the SEC's best.

OK, sure. The ACC has some bad losses on its resume. You say "the top teams can't hang" and then proceed to list five teams, among which are the 10th and 11th best in the conference. If UVA and NC State really are among the top teams in the conference, I'd say you just provided the best argument of all that the ACC is deeper than all the rest. Better than the 10th and 11th teams in the Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC, there's certainly no doubt about that, and we can list horrible losses for Washington State, Michigan, and Tennessee all you like.

And what conference's teams don't have bad losses? I'd start with the second-tier bowl teams in these conferences, like Ole Miss, Nebraska, or Cal, but all their out-of-conference losses involve the ACC. Huh. Well, what about the medicre bowl teams like Rutgers, Vandy, South Carolina? Again: ACC. Pitt lost to Bowling Green. West Virginia also lost to ECU. Arizona lost to New Mexico. Good thing for your argument Northwestern didn't lose to Duke, but they got outplayed.

Nobody's ever claimed that the ACC teams can stand up to the elite ones like USC, Florida, Texas. But just about any team in the conference, even the 8th or 9th best team (whichever that is) would be a match for anyone's third or fourth best.

 

[billmac91]

Well, first off, your let-me-throw-a-bone-and-give-credit list is woefully short. You fault NC State for losing to South Carolina, but no credit to Clemson for beating them? You fault UVA (the 11th best team in the conference, mind you) for losing to UConn, but no credit to UNC for housing them? You mention that ECU "went on to have four losses" and you fail to mention that two of them were to ACC teams.

FSU against UF doesn't even figure in. Nobody ever said the ACC's best match up well against the SEC's best.

OK, sure. The ACC has some bad losses on its resume. You say "the top teams can't hang" and then proceed to list five teams, among which are the 10th and 11th best in the conference. If UVA and NC State really are among the top teams in the conference, I'd say you just provided the best argument of all that the ACC is deeper than all the rest. Better than the 10th and 11th teams in the Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC, there's certainly no doubt about that, and we can list horrible losses for Washington State, Michigan, and Tennessee all you like.

And what conference's teams don't have bad losses? I'd start with the second-tier bowl teams in these conferences, like Ole Miss, Nebraska, or Cal, but all their out-of-conference losses involve the ACC. Huh. Well, what about the medicre bowl teams like Rutgers, Vandy, South Carolina? Again: ACC. Pitt lost to Bowling Green. West Virginia also lost to ECU. Arizona lost to New Mexico. Good thing for your argument Northwestern didn't lose to Duke, but they got outplayed.

Nobody's ever claimed that the ACC teams can stand up to the elite ones like USC, Florida, Texas. But just about any team in the conference, even the 8th or 9th best team (whichever that is) would be a match for anyone's third or fourth best.

I listed the bad losses, b/c I was pointing out the inconsistency of the league, and damn near every team had a shot at the conference title. Teams losing to Navy, Middle Tennessee State, East Carolina....probably shouldn't be in the running for conference champioon of a BCS league.

I watch the league every weekend, and was amazed FSU had a chance to be in the conference title game with a BC loss. Unimpressive offense, and a down year on defense. But the league was mediocre enough to give them a shot.

 

[HailToMichigan]

I listed the bad losses, b/c I was pointing out the inconsistency of the league, and damn near every team had a shot at the conference title. Teams losing to Navy, Middle Tennessee State, East Carolina....probably shouldn't be in the running for conference champioon of a BCS league.

So it's OK to lose to an 8-4 team in your conference, but not OK to lose to one outside your conference? Mississippi proved they can't hold water outside their conference, but Florida lost to them anyway.

 

[berryfan]

ACC still needs a way to go. I remember how non-competitive it was for Miami when they were in the Big East and now they have it harder in the ACC.

I think a big part of the competitiveness is related to the size and ability along the offensive line. That's been lacking at a lot of these ACC schools with the bigger boys heading off to places like the Big 10, Big 12, SEC and a few out to some places in the Pac-10 like USC. Change that dynamic and the ACC will be tough.

 

[CentralMOBuck]

Has anyone been following the transfer of Miami's ex-QB Robert Marve. Supposedly Miami has a put some restrictions on his release. Mainly he can't play for any SEC, ACC or Florida team. I honestly don't know what to think. Ok, discuss!

 

[Gatorubet]

Has anyone been following the transfer of Miami's ex-QB Robert Marve. Supposedly Miami has a put some restrictions on his release. Mainly he can't play for any SEC, ACC or Florida team. I honestly don't know what to think. Ok, discuss!

Miami Hurricanes give quarterback Marve OK to transfer -- with stipulations... - Breaking News - Sports - MiamiHerald.com

We did, here.

 

[berryfan]

I think Shannon is also putting any recruit on notice that if you're going to play at Miami, you're going to play at Miami.

Shannon's still going to get good recruits. When this guy was named head coach, a light went on around here that I can't even describe where potential recruits from around here couldn't wait to sign on the dotted line. I mentioned in another thread that he has putting a big wall on most of the recruiting going on in Dade and Broward counties. High school coaches there are feeding him the top talent, especially from the northern part of the county. Now, the exception is where Miami would be full up at certain positions like RB and WR, hence Berry and Carter coming to Ohio State. Even Frankie Telfort (a potential for the Buckeyes), because Miami is full at LB.

I didn't ever think Marve would work out at Miami. Once Jacory Harris came aboard, I knew Miami fans wanted Harris at QB. He is a local hero having led his team to two straight 6A championships and a mythical national championship in addition to being a Mr. Football of Florida (like Marve and also Tebow).

Miami needs at least one or two seasons before they will be big time players. I saw glimpses of it at times this year, especially how they played Florida at Florida for 3 quarters. They're still a young team, but with so many freshman getting playing time this past year, their future is going to look bright.