2007 TSUN News

[Oh8ch]

The more I look at this the more interesting it becomes.

In the past five years WVU has 24 wins by three TDs or more. They put up lots of wins and lots of yards - but not against quality teams.

If I am from UM I argue that with higher quality athletes you will see that domination against better opponents as well.

If I don't like the taste of kool aide I might argue that the better and faster athletes on opposing teams can neutralize the spread regardless of who is executing it.

We shall see.

 

[NFBuck]

The more I look at this the more interesting it becomes.

In the past five years WVU has 24 wins by three TDs or more. They put up lots of wins and lots of yards - but not against quality teams.

If I am from UM I argue that with higher quality athletes you will see that domination against better opponents as well.

If I don't like the taste of kool aide I might argue that the better and faster athletes on opposing teams can neutralize the spread regardless of who is executing it.

We shall see.

And that's the sitch really. Good, physical defensive teams have shown the ability to neutralize DR's offense. The Big-10 defenses are much better than what he faced in the Big East as a whole. S Fla had strong defenses and contained them the last two years. Will he get better athletes to marginalize this? Time will tell really. Was his recruiting at wvu due more to his location or was that simply the type of recruits that he could bring into his system. You have to think that top-level talent in the recruiting world has an eye on the NFL, do they shy away from DR because his offense doesn't properly prepare them for the next level? I honestly believe his system will not run rampant on the conference simply because the Big-10 plays a much more physical style of defense than the Big East did. Again, time will tell.

 

[brutus2002]

At Michigan he will have strecthes that consist of Wisky,Ill,Pur,MSU,and PSU in a row...He hasn't seen strecthes like that since VT, Miami, and BC were in the BE. Michigan is very thin on offense and defense. On defense they vare set at DT even with one maybe two injuries...DE is a position they cannot lose anybody. They replace their top two safeties and two best Linebackers.

They are not playing cupackes anymore. Playing at PSU, OSU, Wisky, and MSU trump any of the current half-asses stadiums or crowds in the BE. The stakes have been raised and the Michigan faithful better hope he delivers or they are gonna have to find a new coach in the next 3-4 years and change system again. wHICH MEANS ANOTHER 2-3 YEAR TRANSITION.

Michigan fans seem to forget we got Pryor. BTW Newsome hasn't signed his letter of intent. I expect VT to be a top 15 team again and contend for the ACC again...Michigan will not sniff the B10 crown. The Newsome recruitment is not over.

Can he be successful...ofcourse but IMO Michigan has 2 years (2010) before they are B10 contenders. Pryor will most likely be starting for OSU...OSU will not be a joke at home that season. I don't see them beating us until after the 2010 season and IMO RR will not have that much rope.

Illinois, MSU, and OSU are surging...RR is not recruiting as well as Carr. The question is will Michigan have a top 10 recruiting class...I don't think so. PSU and ILLInois IMO have a good chance to have as good or better class than Michigan...nobody in the B10 will touch or come close to our class.

I'll admit I'm wrong but he is gonna have to show me something first...his coolaid isn't as good as advertised IMO.

 

[NFBuck]

BTW Newsome hasn't signed his letter of intent. I expect VT to be a top 15 team again and contend for the ACC again...Michigan will not sniff the B10 crown. The Newsome recruitment is not over.

From what I've read/heard, there's a good bit of bitterness towards VT from Newsome and his family on how they've handled his recruitment. I can't remember the details off the top of my head, but I think he's pretty solid to scUM.

 

[brutus2002]

BTW DE Sean Staley(sp) from Maryland one of Michigans top DE prospects has verballed to PSU. I love that RR is focusing on Mississippi and Maryland...real bright.

I have a friend who coaches in Virginia (Rutgers Alum) he told me that Beamer will continue to recruit him. He says Schiano will put a full court press on this kid as well.

 

[ChisAto]

From what I've read/heard, there's a good bit of bitterness towards VT from Newsome and his family on how they've handled his recruitment. I can't remember the details off the top of my head, but I think he's pretty solid to scUM.

Yeah that is true.. Virginia Tech's #1 QB on their list was Tajh Boyd and the way they recruited Newsome as if he wasn't a top QB was a turn-off to him. Too bad for Virginia Tech, since they (so far) lost out on both of them.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'll play Devil's advocate. Under RR, WVU was 2-0 in BCS games beating both Georgia and Oklahoma (no, Oklahoma doesn't count for Stewart, it was RR's team)

I normally don't say somone's opinion is just flat out wrong but this is just flat out wrong. That same team of athletes coached by RR lost to Pitt at home in the 2nd biggest game in school history. They may have been RR's athletes but Stewart gets all the credit for that game.

All in all this sounds a lot like the arguments people used to make in support of Cooper. It all comes down to how much weight you want to give performance in big games. Just like Coop, RR will steamroll anyone who doesn't have the athletes to hang with him but when its close to even he'll pucker up and spit the bit.

I hope our resident scUM fans don't get the impression I don't like RR as the head coach at tsun. I think he's pure white trash as a person but there is NO ONE outside of LLoyd Carr I want at the helm in AA.

 

[TheIronColonel]

Hey, I said I was playing Devil's advocate. I made the strongest case for RR that I thought any reasonable person might attempt.

My personal opinion? He's a mediocre head coach who would probably be a great offensive coordinator, but lacks the vision as a head coach to consistently put his team amongst the elite CFB teams. He definitely benefited from playing a weaker schedule, but truth be told he has beaten some good teams.

The other side of that coin is that he has lost some games that he really shouldn't have lost. Lately it has become painfully obvious that his success relies heavily on the athletes he has in the game (namely, Pat White). When injuries occur, his system takes a huge hit. Will Michigan depth help that? Maybe. Too soon to tell. I'm inclined to think it won't make the world of difference that some seem to hope it will.

I don't think RR will fail spectacularly, unless his personality grinds the wrong asses. If that happens, he could be in a world of hurt. I also don't think he'll be a substantially better coach than Lloyd Carr. He might eventually win a national championship at Michigan, but I kind of doubt it. Unless Michigan becomes the hot recruiting hub of the midwest (as OSU appears to be now), he will largely perform as he did at WVU: win a lot of games, but lose some ridiculous head-scratchers.

 

[Oh8ch]

I normally don't say somone's opinion is just flat out wrong but this is just flat out wrong. That same team of athletes coached by RR lost to Pitt at home in the 2nd biggest game in school history. They may have been RR's athletes but Stewart gets all the credit for that game.

I agree with the Devil on this one.

Steve Fisher couldn't win a Big Ten title with one of the best recruiting classes in CBB history - but he won the NC with the team Bill Frieder put together.

RR might have lost to OU, but the team Stewart put on the field was RRs team and with a 20 point win IMO they proved it was a team capable of beating OU under pretty much any coach. They used the same personnel and same basic schemes.

Sure, the Pitt loss was a clusterf***, but that was not the game that defined WVU that season. Nor does WVU lose that game with a healthy White.

I don't like RR and I don't much respect RR. But I give him credit for building the team that beat OU.

 

[jwinslow]

Sure, the Pitt loss was a clusterf***, but that was not the game that defined WVU that season. Nor does WVU lose that game with a healthy White.

Based on what? White was very ineffective vs Pitt before the injury. Teams that punched WVU in the mouth early and often were able to have success vs WVU.

I don't like RR and I don't much respect RR. But I give him credit for building the team that beat OU.

Which Boise State did just one year before. WVU's schemes are problematic, but so is Stoops' bowl defense lately.

 

[Oh8ch]

Based on what?

WV had 183 yards in that game and White accounted for 91 of those before leaving in the first half. Yes, they struggled both with and without him, but as much as he means to their offense it is fair to argue he makes the difference in a one TD game.

Don't forget White missed the second half of WVs only other loss last season as well. Granted, another game in which he struggled, but he is the option in their option spread.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

that's the danger of running that offense. they knew that going in.

 

[LightningRod]

One significant thing Stewart accomplished for the OU game was to bring a team together that not only lost a shot at the NC game but was also given a weddgie by its own coach.

 

[tsteele316]

Don't forget White missed the second half of WVs only other loss last season as well. Granted, another game in which he struggled, but he is the option in their option spread.

a commonly used excuse with a notable issue. white played just as many snaps as his backup did against south florida. his backup accounted for more offense in that game getting the same number of snaps. the "pat white was injured" excuse doesn't fly. Really, it's a strawman against Pitt as well.

 

[BB73]

Sure, the Pitt loss was a clusterf***, but that was not the game that defined WVU that season.

I don't understand how this wasn't the game that defined WVU's 2007 season. It kept them from playing tOSU in the title game, and they probably wouldn't have lost their head coach if he would have been coaching in the BCS Title game (Miles would most likely be at TSUN if WVU had beaten Pitt - I'm mentioning that since this is the TSUN thread ).