2007 TSUN News

[shetuck]

Playing devils advocate, the following players were walk-ons at tOSU

Antonio Smith
Terry Glenn
Big Daddy Wilkinson

and a grey shirt (Boeckman) is only a half-step above a preferred walk-on

If it is possible for a 5* recruit to never break the 2-deep (which happens from time to time) why can't the reverse be true?

The probablities by far favor recruits. Sure there are going to be occasions when a star crashes or vice versa. But, for the most part, the chances of a walk-on beating a recruit (man-to-man) for a starting job are slim. I don't know the exact number.

The prognosis at TSUN with Sheridan as their starting QB is not good primarily (imo) because the guy isn't working his way into the starting line-up by out-playing highly-rated recruits, but rather "backing into" the job because there's just not a very competitive field (not by TSUN's standards anyway) out there.

The guys you listed beat highly-rated recruits. That's a different thing than getting a starting job b/c there's a lack of depth and relevant/apppropriate skills among one's peers. It's the old "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed are kings" thing.

If Sheridan was beating out Mallett, for example, I think people would be taking notice, RR's new-fangled system nothwithstanding. But, from all appearances / reports, Threet is no Ryan Mallett and Sheridan is no Brian Griese.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Playing devils advocate, the following players were walk-ons at tOSU

Antonio Smith
Terry Glenn
Big Daddy Wilkinson

We're talking QBs...

and a grey shirt (Boeckman) is only a half-step above a preferred walk-on

Uh, no its not...one is a scholarship simply delayed a half year, and the other is no scholarship at all.

 

[ShakerBuck]

We're talking QBs...


Uh, no its not...one is a scholarship simply delayed a half year, and the other is no scholarship at all.

Is a grey shirt guaranteed a scholly the following year?

and a walk-on can earn a scholarship. What if money is no object?

I generally agree with the consensus though, I was just playing devils advocate.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Is a grey shirt guaranteed a scholly the following year?

and a walk-on can earn a scholarship. What if money is no object?

I generally agree with the consensus though, I was just playing devils advocate.

Grey shirt is "guaranteed" his scholarship the same as other scholarship players are "guaranteed" their scholarship the next year...they aren't.

While some walk-ons do earn scholarships and may even become star players, most walk-ons see spot duty at best in actual games. The point is that for a school like Michigan not having a scholarship QB on roster good enough to start is mind-boggling.

 

[HailToMichigan]

How many games do you think UM would win with Sheridan under center? And if he won the starting gig, do you expect him to stay under center the following season?

Sheridan being under center wouldn't change my outlook on next year's schedule. I anticipate going 4-0 against Miami, Toledo, Minnesota, and Northwestern; at worst 3-2 against Penn State, Purdue, MSU, Notre Dame, and Utah, and at best 1-2 against Illinois, Wisconsin, and OSU. I don't think he'd be written in stone for starter in '09, I think we'd have to see what Feagin looks like and how the class of '09 recruits look.

The fact that the University of Michigan should have to resort to having a walk-on start at QB should be stunningly embarrassing to Michigan fans.

Why? You're looking at it in a vacuum. What got us here? Henne graduated. Mallett left because he didn't like the system - I don't see how that's supposed to be embarrassing. Pryor chose the school that had been recruiting him all along instead of the one that was late to the game. I don't see how that's supposed to be embarrassing. This is not some situation where recruits from a couple classes have been shunning Michigan. It's just how the ball rolled. I don't need my maize-colored glasses to think that way.

And as for Sheridan, consider his situation - he sat behind an incumbent starter until his senior year, then broke his collarbone a month into the season when he did start. Fits right into the theme of under-evaluated, not under-talented. We will see. It is way, way premature to call the QB situation embarrassing, especially since what got us here (primarily, Mallett's transfer) is not some damning indictment of the program.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Why? You're looking at it in a vacuum. What got us here? Henne graduated. Mallett left because he didn't like the system - I don't see how that's supposed to be embarrassing. Pryor chose the school that had been recruiting him all along instead of the one that was late to the game. I don't see how that's supposed to be embarrassing. This is not some situation where recruits from a couple classes have been shunning Michigan. It's just how the ball rolled. I don't need my maize-colored glasses to think that way.

And as for Sheridan, consider his situation - he sat behind an incumbent starter until his senior year, then broke his collarbone a month into the season when he did start. Fits right into the theme of under-evaluated, not under-talented. We will see. It is way, way premature to call the QB situation embarrassing, especially since what got us here (primarily, Mallett's transfer) is not some damning indictment of the program.

I'm with HTM on this one. (god help me! ) If we were talking about a walk-on starting in the pre-Rodriguez pro-style offense, that would be VERY amusing, this...not so much. None of the existing quarterbacks are built for this system, so if the walk-on is better suited to the spread option offense, so be it. It's a brand new system up there. Not enough time to get in a QB to feature in it. Especially when any possible recruits had to considered that Pryor might end up there.

Of course, if Sheridan ends up really sucking, that will be a little bit amusing, too.

 

[scarletngray]

I think I HTM must work for Maytag. Because the spin cycle is working over time.

 

[sandgk]

Well, actually HTM, I think it is fair to say that QBs were shunning TSUN, at least in the '08 class and arguably (in terms of adding depth) in the '07 class.

Now, you could argue that the lack of additional quality QB recruits in the '07 class was very much about Mallett coming onto campus, especially in view of his early commit (April '06 I believe). But, what I would ask you to contrast that with is the reputation TSUN fans tout of their school's ability in a pro-style offense to develop QBs. Based on that alone you should have had better quality lining up to compete.

This does happen at other schools - Case in point, Texas, bigger case in point USC.

As for the '08 class there is no doubt whatsoever that the better pro-style QB prospects looked elsewhere, before RR was hired, and there is no doubt that his hiring froze any remaining pro-style QBs out of consideration. Which left TSUN with what is very much a plan C or C- following Mallett's departure - but even had he stayed, one bad hit and it would have been plan C- once again.

It will be interesting to see if TSUN can turn the corner and get consistent quality and depth in a dual-threat type QB in the coming years, but their days as an attractive home for NFL-aspirant QBs may be done while the spread-option is flavor of the month.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Well, actually HTM, I think it is fair to say that QBs were shunning TSUN, at least in the '08 class and arguably (in terms of adding depth) in the '07 class.

Disagree. Consider the situation at the end of summer 2007:

- Chad Henne was entering his senior year.
- The man, the myth, the Ryan Mallett, was just starting off.
- Steven Threet (a highly ranked class of '07 QB) had signed the transfer papers.
- John Wienke was on board as a class of '08 recruit.

Given that Lloyd now had his QB of the foreseeable future in Mallett, an insurance policy in Threet, and plenty of depth and clipboard stands in Cone, Sheridan, and Wienke, there was no need to recruit any more QBs.

Then Carr left. Wienke switched commitments to Iowa due to the coaching change, Mallett transferred due to the system change in RR. RR tried his damndest to bring Terrelle Pryor on board, and do the juggling act of trying to recruit another starting-caliber player while waiting for Pryor. When you get in that late to the game on players that your school hasn't been in touch with at all, it makes recruiting tough.

I agree that we can probably forget about pro-style quarterbacks while RR is coaching. But I wouldn't bet against RR bringing in some good QBs anyway when he has a full year instead of two months to recruit to his system.

 

[utgrad73]

It will be interesting to see if TSUN can turn the corner and get consistent quality and depth in a dual-threat type QB in the coming years, but their days as an attractive home for NFL-aspirant QBs may be done while the spread-option is flavor of the month.

Flavor of the month, Let Master P let it - "If you gonna be sellin that ice cream, you gotta be sure its goood"

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGbfymq9rAg]YouTube - Master P - Ice Cream Man[/ame]

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Why? You're looking at it in a vacuum. What got us here? Henne graduated. Mallett left because he didn't like the system - I don't see how that's supposed to be embarrassing. Pryor chose the school that had been recruiting him all along instead of the one that was late to the game.

What vacuum? Your staff knew Henne was leaving and that you had a uphill battle at best to get Pryor. That left you with five QBs on roster: Mallett, Cone, Sheridan, Threet, and Mondol. Mallett bails, so now you have four and only a walk-on out of those is good enough to start?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

What vacuum? Your staff knew Henne was leaving and that you had a uphill battle at best to get Pryor. That left you with five QBs on roster: Mallett, Cone, Sheridan, Threet, and Mondol. Mallett bails, so now you have four and only a walk-on out of those is good enough to start?

exactly. whose fault is it that Michigan wasn't prepared for Henne to leave? whose fault is it that Mallett took off?

 

[Best Buckeye]

exactly. whose fault is it that Michigan wasn't prepared for Henne to leave? whose fault is it that Mallett took off?

That would be Ty Willinghams fault.

 

[HailToMichigan]

exactly. whose fault is it that Michigan wasn't prepared for Henne to leave? whose fault is it that Mallett took off?

Mallett was the preparation for Henne to leave. There was a clear and obvious succession plan there. I suppose you could pin his leaving on Bill Martin for hiring a spread coach, but really now, how is it some big embarrassing thing for Mallett to leave because of the new system? If that's the definition of "stunningly embarrassing" then you probably think it's scandalous that ladies these days will show off their lovely ankles for anyone who asks.

 

[jwinslow]

Perhaps embarrassing is a poor word, as there are excuses. If sheridan starts next fall, it will be a very humbling season, imo. I think Threet will develop enough by next fall, at leas tto beat out the walkon.

By UM standards, a 6-6 season is stunningly embarrassing... or humbling, whatever you want to call it. RR has to beat MSU & PSU this year (both toss-ups imo), and OSU next season... or his seat will get quite hot.

Sheridan being under center wouldn't change my outlook on next year's schedule. I anticipate going 4-0 against Miami, Toledo, Minnesota, and Northwestern; at worst 3-2 against Penn State, Purdue, MSU, Notre Dame, and Utah, and at best 1-2 against Illinois, Wisconsin, and OSU. I don't think he'd be written in stone for starter in '09, I think we'd have to see what Feagin looks like and how the class of '09 recruits look.

So your worst case record is 7-5? 3-2 might be a safe prediction vs that middle set, but I wouldn't feel good about a W against anyone but Purdue in that list.

And as for Sheridan, consider his situation - he sat behind an incumbent starter until his senior year, then broke his collarbone a month into the season when he did start. Fits right into the theme of under-evaluated, not under-talented. We will see. It is way, way premature to call the QB situation embarrassing, especially since what got us here (primarily, Mallett's transfer) is not some damning indictment of the program.

What practice reports or practice video led to these thoughts? Or is this simply rooted in hope?