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2007 TSUN News

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brutus2002;1101334; said:
ChisAto the following comment are not directed towards you.

Most Michigan fans were mocking the Dantonio hire. Newsflash!! Hes gonna be a thorn in your asses. He should have beaten Michigan this year. When he filters out the John L. Smith troublemakers he is gonna have a hell of a squad. Zook, Tress, and Dantonio are gonna be serious thorns in the ass for RR.

The biggest problem with a team like Michigan is that they rely on OOS recruiting too much. Alot of coaches in Michigan cannot stand Michigan because they dis the players in their own state. Dantonio is gonna get more than his share in Michigan. Dantonio(the rumor anyways) is getting to know every coach in the state personally. This is gonna go a long way down the road.
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I don't think it's a problem, relying on out of state recruiting. I think that's an advantage. If you can consistently recruit out of state, and U-M's got 24 states plus Quebec represented on the roster (from last year), it shields you from the ups and downs within your own state. Relying too much on instate recruiting means you don't have a backup plan when the talent dries up for a year or you lose the recruiting battles to your instate rival(s). There are always gonna be those guys who are fans of one school that won't go to the other no matter what.

And as for Dantonio - I'll believe it when I see it. I know you guys love him because he coached for Tressel, but it's still all about potential so far, not results. That game last year.....one man's narrow escape is another man's choke job, and this year they don't get to play in East Lansing. And you know....Rich Rodriguez.....he's a pretty good coach too. I don't know what "most" Michigan fans you figure were mocking the Dantonio hire, other than the natural tendency to mock MSU for everything they do because they're MSU. Dantonio's like the rest of the MSU coach parade. He's gonna have to prove it. Hasn't slapped himself at a press conference yet, so that's a step in the right direction, but he's 0-for-1 so far.
 
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Tressel's first year wasn't very good either, other than beating UM. Actually, his first year wasn't even a rebuilding year... it was more of a "let's see what we have here" year. Dantonio had it last year as his first year as MSU's head coach, and DickRod will take his lumps this coming season too. It's just what is expected of a coach in his first year with a program. This will be MSU's year to show the Big Ten what they've got, now that everybody has had a year in the system.

I just wouldn't open my mouth too wide about MSU if I was a skunkweasel fan, because you guys are just as vulnerable as they are this year, even though both teams have quite a bit of potential to do good things.

Also, fwiw, DickRod as a top ten coach in college football is laughable. His teams choked when the games mattered. How WVU ended the regular season this year is a good example.
 
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BuckTwenty;1101432; said:
Tressel's first year wasn't very good either, other than beating UM. Actually, his first year wasn't even a rebuilding year... it was more of a "let's see what we have here" year. Dantonio had it last year as his first year as MSU's head coach, and DickRod will take his lumps this coming season too. It's just what is expected of a coach in his first year with a program. This will be MSU's year to show the Big Ten what they've got, now that everybody has had a year in the system.

I just wouldn't open my mouth too wide about MSU if I was a skunkweasel fan, because you guys are just as vulnerable as they are this year, even though both teams have quite a bit of potential to do good things.

Also, fwiw, DickRod as a top ten coach in college football is laughable. His teams choked when the games mattered. How WVU ended the regular season this year is a good example.
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If the top ten list doesn't include Rodriguez, it sure as hell doesn't include Dantonio either. We'll see. John L. Smith's first year went a lot like Dantonio's. Finished 8-5 with a bowl loss, and lost to Michigan but played a tough, close game. Smith ended up never beating Michigan though.

Also, I'd be remiss if I forgot to include the standard response to that last paragraph, by the way, which is that WVU wouldn't have been playing in games that matter without RR. Cookie-cutter criticism, cookie-cutter response. My thinking is that even in this rebuilding year, Michigan has more talent up and down the roster than West Virginia had last year. Sure, they had White, Slaton, etc. while we have Steven Threet, but I think if you matched up the entire two-deeps, WVU probably won't stack up so well. Much tougher competition, too, which is why I can't wait to see how the season plays out.
 
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HailToMichigan;1101447; said:
If the top ten list doesn't include Rodriguez, it sure as hell doesn't include Dantonio either. We'll see. John L. Smith's first year went a lot like Dantonio's. Finished 8-5 with a bowl loss, and lost to Michigan but played a tough, close game. Smith ended up never beating Michigan though.

Also, I'd be remiss if I forgot to include the standard response to that last paragraph, by the way, which is that WVU wouldn't have been playing in games that matter without RR. Cookie-cutter criticism, cookie-cutter response. My thinking is that even in this rebuilding year, Michigan has more talent up and down the roster than West Virginia had last year. Sure, they had White, Slaton, etc. while we have Steven Threet, but I think if you matched up the entire two-deeps, WVU probably won't stack up so well. Much tougher competition, too, which is why I can't wait to see how the season plays out.
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Obviously, no. I think Dantonio would make a lot of top 50 lists, but absolutely no top 10 lists. At least RR's been able to smell a national championship game from where he was standing, I'll give him that much credit.

I'd love to see a WVU/UM game THIS year, let alone last year's WVU team vs UM's team this coming year. You are giving yourselves way too much credit there. I think you guys would have little to say, seeing as though you guys have never been able to defend against a running QB and lose almost all of your impact players on both sides of the ball... particularly on the offensive side. WVU will get their points against your defense, but will you guys actually be able to put up points without Henne/Hart/Long/Manningham/Arrington and with first year starters at each of those positions? I know where my money would be, with or without Slaton.

From an somewhat outside perspective, scUM fans' fascination/rivalry with MSU seems pretty close to tOSU's with Illinois in the 90's.
 
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goblue15;1101412; said:
State almost beat us alot of times! We have one of the top 10 coaches in CFB now, and for you to say all these coaches are going to be a thorn in our side, but our coach not a thorn in yours or the rest of the Big Ten is ridiculous. BTW, the number 1 player in the state is committed to us.
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There are 12 teams in the SEC so that immediately drops RR out of the top ten. :wink:

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goblue15;1101442; said:
I will never be afraid of MSU! Nothing they have done the last 6 years has changed that, but I guess because they got a good rb and a good lb we should be afraid.:(
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Maybe being afraid of MSU is what scUM players need to keep the games from being so close, it seems they field much better teams than sparty and still go down to the wire more times than not. Losing a rivalry game the way sparty did last year burns more than a blow out, and sparty looks due.

Jaxbuck;1101455; said:
By that same logic then how should we feel about scUM based on the past 6 years?
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well, to be fair scUM did have a nice bowl win.

goblue15;1101629; said:
You shouldnt, but things can change.
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Things do change, see last years cap 1 bowl. :biggrin:
 
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Sparty is always due, just like PSU is always due. Maybe they beat us this year, maybe not. All im saying is with a hurt Mike Hart and a badly hurt Chad Henne Sparty still couldnt beat us. They had everything working in their favor we were on the road and all of our stars were hurt and what did they do? They folded up like a paper bag! Same goes for PSU!
 
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goblue15;1101642; said:
Sparty is always due, just like PSU is always due. Maybe they beat us this year, maybe not. All im saying is with a hurt Mike Hart and a badly hurt Chad Henne Sparty still couldnt beat us. They had everything working in their favor we were on the road and all of our stars were hurt and what did they do? They folded up like a paper bag! Same goes for PSU!
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Hey man, I agree with what you're saying. Same old same old with these teams. But I look at the scUM offensive roster and could see them struggling, not that MSU defense is all world I just feel like sparty may be exacting a little revenge this upcoming season, that's all.:wink2:


Sam McGuffie is an interesting guy...the smaller type back that seems to give tOSU problems....see Garrett Wolfe.
 
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BB73;1101631; said:
Personally, I can live with Tressel conceding to TSUN all players from Quebec. :biggrin:
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DickRod is building a wall around Quebec.

More seriously, there are a couple of things worth noting here:

1. If UM were to rely on in-state recruits, they would not compete with Ohio State ever. HS football is just not good enough in TSUN.

2. We as Buckeye fans are too eager to depreciate DickRod's coaching acumen because we think the guy is a sleazebag. Well, his ethics aside he can flat coach. His 'Eers team loss to Pitt was not all that surprising if you look at the talent gap he was faced with. Morgantown has always been tough to attract talent to, and what he did with whom he could get was always phenomenal.
 
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