2007 Preseason and Regular season Polls

[Tonyank]

So we received 6 first place votes in the Coaches poll, and there are 7 coaches in the Big Ten with votes. Wonder who didn't vote us #1 in our own conference.

What??? Where do I begin............

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

Who is to say that any of them did?

No one. It was just a question.

In my opinion, there are several reasons to think that coaches in the Big Ten would be more likely to anoint us #1, as compared to coaches from outside conferences. A few that come to mind are: human bias in the form of pride or a sense of superiority of one's own conference, seeing the team in person, economic justification (BCS title game payout for everyone in the conference), in addition to things Coach Tressel said when voting Michigan 2nd at the end of the season last year, and things some of the SEC coaches said when voting Florida the same. Anonymity protects any bias that might exist.

Coach Zook, for instance, might be more likely to vote Mizzou #1, since they lost to them, and beat us. If the vote wasn't anonymous, that would be more of a sure thing.

What??? Where do I begin............

I don't know. Where do you begin? Is it really that far fetched to think that a coach in a power conference would vote its conference champion, who also has the best overall record statistically (excluding Hawaii), #1?

 

[daveeb]

There is always a chance that Jim Tressel did not vote Ohio State #1.

Of course, there is always the possibility that it was Ron Zook.

 

[Best Buckeye]

There is always a chance that Jim Tressel did not vote Ohio State #1.

Of course, there is always the possibility that it was Ron Zook.

 

[CookyPuss]

Harris is out

1 Missouri (57) 2,779
2 West Virginia (45) 2,753
3 Ohio State (11) 2,638
4 Georgia 2,368
5 LSU 2,215
6 Kansas 2,170
7 Virginia Tech 2,164
8 Oklahoma 2,132
9 USC 2,059
10 Hawaii (1) 1,829

Complete Poll

 

[sandgk]

Poll votes for LSU lower (2215 vs. 2401) and those for Ohio State higher (2638 vs. 2505) than tellshow's prediction.

 

[BB73]

That's a gigantic gap between tOSU and Georgia, who's also finished playing. There's no way tOSU will get jumped from behind in the BCS.

On the other hand, I also think it's EXTREMELY unlikely that tOSU could jump either Mizzou or West Virginia if they both win.

So it's quite simple. If one of them loses, tOSU goes to the title game. If not, it's the Rose Bowl, where USC is the opponent if they beat UCLA.

BOOMER SOONER!!!

 

[sandgk]

A moment of special mention for that AP voter with, I assume, the largest intake of hallucinogenic mushrooms this side of the Caterpillar, Jon Wilner.

Which idiot (not savant) still has Ohio State ranked - 11th in his poll, in the 14th week.

Yes, I know, the AP Poll doesn't count toward the BCS - but it is the sole component of an independently awarded mythical National Championship. In that regard some quality assurance is mandatory. Having variance among the voters is one thing, it is in fact entirely expected. Having extreme outlier opinions blessed by the AP is quite another.

Here is the current addition of Wilner's idiotic ranking:

14
1 Missouri
2 Georgia
3 West Virginia
4 Virginia Tech
5 Southern Cal
6 Oklahoma
7 LSU
8 Florida
9 Boston College
10 Tennessee
11 Ohio St.
12 Cincinnati
13 Clemson
14 Arizona St.
15 Auburn
16 Illinois
17 Kansas
18 Oregon
19 Texas Tech
20 Hawaii
21 South Florida
22 Arkansas
23 Virginia
24 Texas
25 BYU

 

[BB73]

BCS Rankings

sportsline

Rank..Team..BCS AVG..Harris Poll......Coaches Poll....CPU
1Missouri...0.978...1..2779..0.9751...2..1454.0.9693..0.99
2 West Va...0.971...2..2753..0.9661...1..467..0.978...0.97
3OhioSt.....0.919...3..2638..0.9256...3..1383.0.922...0.91
4Georgia....0.827...4..2368..0.8309...4..1232.0.8213..0.83
5Kansas.....0.792...6..2170..0.7614...5..1161.0.774...0.84
6VaTech.....0.781...7..2164..0.7593...5..1161.0.774...0.81
7LSU........0.774...5..2215..0.7772...7..1134.0.756...0.79
8S.Calif....0.693...9..2059..0.7225...9..1073.0.7153..0.64
9Oklahoma...0.683...8..2132..0.7481...8..1126.0.7507..0.55
10Florida...0.618..11..1757..0.6165..11...898.0.5987..0.64
11BostColl..0.617..12..1587..0.5568..12...861.0.574...0.72
12Hawaii....0.583..10..1829..0.6418..10...958.0.6387..0.47
13ArizonaSt.0.557..13..1446..0.5074..13...756.0.504...0.66
14Tennessee.0.461..15..1249..0.4382..15...654.0.436...0.51
15Illinois..0.420..14..1254..0.4400..14...674.0.4493..0.37
16Clemson...0.336..18...897..0.3147..17...469.0.3127..0.38
17Oregon....0.271..19...716..0.2512..20...316.0.2107..0.35
18Wisconsin.0.263..16...911..0.3196..16...493.0.3287..0.14
19BYoung....0.225..20...649..0.2277..19...327.0.218...0.23
20Texas.....0.222..17...903..0.3168..18...417.0.278...0.0 7
21S.Florida.0.188..25...249..0.0874..27...100.0.0667..0.41
22Virginia..0.179..23...478..0.1677..21...271.0.1807..0.19
23Cincinnati0.149..21...512..0.1796..24...146.0.0973..0.17
24Auburn....0.147..24...402..0.1411..21...271.0.1807..0.1
225Boise St.0.113..22...493..0.1732..32....47.0.1647..0.0

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Dispatch

College football
Using wallet votes to settle No. 1 debate makes sense

Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:06 AM
By Tim Dahlberg


Associated Press

The Bowl Championship Series computer says Missouri is the best college football team in the country. So, too, do a group of pollsters who are charged with the weekly task of rating teams.
Down on the Las Vegas Strip, though, the Tigers aren't even rated the best team in their next game, against No. 9 Oklahoma.
For decades, people who follow college football have tried to figure out surefire ways to crown legitimate national champions, with varying degrees of success. In recent years the BCS has taken over with a system that forgoes a playoff in favor of computers and polls.

Continued.......

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

College Football 2007 through games of December 1 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.59 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
1 Oklahoma A = 92.58 11 2 70.34( 59) 2 0 | 3 1 | 89.47 3 | 96.27 1
2 Ohio State A = 91.32 11 1 70.32( 60) 0 0 | 2 1 | 89.01 4 | 93.64 3
3 Kansas A = 90.29 11 1 65.42( 88) 0 1 | 0 1 | 88.72 5 | 91.60 6
4 Florida A = 90.22 9 3 75.74( 9) 0 2 | 2 3 | 86.26 12 | 95.52 2
5 Virginia Tech A = 89.69 11 2 73.00( 36) 0 1 | 2 2 | 93.11 1 | 86.82 11
6 LSU A = 89.47 11 2 74.86( 21) 2 0 | 4 2 | 91.09 2 | 87.73 8
7 West Virginia A = 89.34 10 2 72.71( 42) 0 0 | 2 1 | 86.38 11 | 92.64 4
8 Southern California A = 88.22 10 2 73.66( 32) 0 0 | 2 1 | 86.78 9 | 89.36 7
9 Missouri A = 87.98 11 2 74.77( 24) 1 2 | 3 2 | 88.58 6 | 87.04 10
10 Georgia A = 86.70 10 2 74.14( 30) 1 0 | 3 1 | 88.28 7 | 84.97 14

Link To Rankings

 

[bkochmc]

This will be very interesting... the best guess for tellshowbcs.com (link: Bowl Championship Series Ratings) is Ohio State at 1, Virginia Tech at 2, and LSU at 3... this was keeping the margin between VT and LSU in the human polls the same, something I don't forsee happening.

 

[CookyPuss]

In any normal week, teams that win (or don't lose) just slide up. I don't think that will happen with the polls this week. Given yesterday's games, I think any intelligent pollster (if there is such a thing) will sit down and treat it like a preseason poll and vote where they believe each team should be. After Ohio State, I think you have to throw the records out the window. Almost always the AP, Harris, and Coach's polls are pretty much in agreement. You might have a couple of teams flip-flopped, but that's about it. This may be one of those times where the #2 in the Coach's is the #4 in the Harris and the AP is doing something completely different. The only thing not in doubt is that someone is going to be bitching later today.

 

[TGfan06]

AP out!

BB73 EDIT - remember that the AP poll is not used in the BCS formula

usatoday.appoll

AP Top 25

01. Ohio State ..(50) 11-1.. 1,578
02. LSU .........(11) 11-2.. 1,519
03. Oklahoma .....(1) 11-2.. 1,423
04. Georgia ......(1) 10-2.. 1,421
05. Virginia Tech.(1) 11-2.. 1,380
06. USC ..............10-2.. 1,346
07. Missouri .........11-2.. 1,195
08. Kansas ...........11-1.. 1,164
09. Florida ...........9-3.. 1,071
10. Hawaii .......(1) 12-0.. 1,050
11. West Virginia ....10-2.. 1,040
12. Arizona State ....10-2.....939
13. Illinois ..........9-3.....797
14. Boston College ...10-3.....668
15. Clemson ...........9-3.....614
16. Tennessee .........9-4.....554
17. Texas .............9-3.....517
18. Wisconsin .........9-3.....447
19. Brigham Young ....10-2.....439
20. Cincinnati ........9-3.....394
21. Virginia ..........9-3.....344
22. Auburn ............8-4.....264
23. South Florida .....9-3.....246
24. Boise State ......10-2.....221
25. Arkansas ..........8-4.....173

Others Receiving Votes
Texas Tech 137, UCF 35, Connecticut 31, Oregon 30, Oregon State 30, Michigan 26, Air Force 17, Kentucky 13, Penn State 1, Wake Forest 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Oregon 18.

 

[TGfan06]

Also Coaches

usatoday

01. Ohio State ....(46)..11-1..1,469...3
02. LSU ...........(11)..11-2..1,418...7
03 .Oklahoma .......(2)..11-2..1,331...8
04 .Georgia .............10-2..1,277...4
05. Virginia Tech........11-2..1,242...5 (tie)
06. Southern Cal ........10-2..1,227...9
07. Missouri ............11-2..1,104...2
08. Kansas ..............11-1..1,099...5 (tie)
09. West Virginia .......10-2..1,010...1
10. Hawaii .........(1)..12-0....994...10
11. Arizona State .......10-2....900...13
12. Florida ..............9-3....890...11
13. Illinois .............9-3....747...14
14. Boston College ......10-3....617...12
15. Wisconsin ............9-3....594...16
16. Clemson ..............9-3....567...17
17. Texas ................9-3....498...18
18. Tennessee ............9-4....480...15
19. Brigham Young .......10-2....462...19
20. Virginia .............9-3....332...21 (tie)
21. Auburn ...............8-4....289...21 (tie)
22. Boise State .........10-2....246...23
23. Cincinnati ...........9-3....215...24
24. Arkansas .............8-4....137...25
25. South Florida ........9-3....115...NR