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2006 Heisman Discussion (merged all)

Peterson is going to find it tough sledding, if you ask me... The guy may well be the best back in the nation, but he's got no QB, no O-Line and a "young" WR corps. In other words, he's the focus for opposing D's. Just like last year. While solid, it wasn't heisman worthy.

Frankly, considering that information, I'm willing to bet he's not healthy for the whole season.

Not taking anything away from him, as anyone can see he's a great back... his team takes his chances away, not his talent.
 
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Peterson is going to find it tough sledding, if you ask me... The guy may well be the best back in the nation, but he's got no QB, no O-Line and a "young" WR corps. In other words, he's the focus for opposing D's. Just like last year. While solid, it wasn't heisman worthy.

Frankly, considering that information, I'm willing to bet he's not healthy for the whole season.

Not taking anything away from him, as anyone can see he's a great back... his team takes his chances away, not his talent.

I agree with everything you said there. That is why I said that "if" things go right and they go undefeated it would be because of Peterson and he would win. Actually he would have to. or we would have to shoot the voters .

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here is article one from the blade sun am.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060827/SPORTS16/608270340/-1/SPORTS



Article published Sunday, August 27, 2006

Ginn, Smith give OSU 2 strong candidates

By MATT MARKEY
BLADE SPORTS WRITER

COLUMBUS - With two legitimate candidates for this year's Heisman Trophy - indicative of its wealth of offensive talent - Ohio State has a special predicament.
How do you promote quarterback Troy Smith and wide receiver/return man Ted Ginn Jr. without favoring one over the other, or diluting the chances of both?
"It's a tough call, because they're both great athletes, they're both guys who can change the outcome of a game in an instant, and they are both outstanding individuals," said OSU wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez, who plays alongside the duo. "They both deserve serious consideration for the
Heisman."

Associate athletic director Steve Snapp, who has been involved in the previous Heisman campaigns of former Buckeyes backfield greats Archie Griffin, the only player to win the coveted statuette twice, Eddie George (1995 Heisman winner), and the unsuccessful efforts to land the award for running back Keith Byars, and offensive tackles John Hicks and Orlando Pace, is hoping that Heisman history is made in 2006.
Snapp wants the Wisdom of Solomon to prevail - with one significant amendment - instead of splitting the most prized trophy in college football, he wishes that the Ohio State dynamic duel ends with a pair of Heisman's coming back to Columbus - with Smith and Ginn owning a Heisman.
"The best-case scenario is that Troy and Ted finish in the first ever tie, and they both end up with a Heisman Trophy. Let's make two of them this year," Snapp said. "But we'd be happy with a one-two finish, as well."
Snapp said Ohio State's current approach to touting its Heisman hopefuls is relatively straightforward and void of the gimmickry that sometimes accompanies Heisman campaigns. He won't call on a political wonk like James Carville or Karl Rove for advice.
"Their profile nationally is already pretty high, so that part is easy," Snapp said. "Their school is well known in football circles, and their team is ranked No. 1, so their names are definitely out there."
In promoting Smith and Ginn for this year's Heisman, Ohio State will follow a model used by Southern California for the past two seasons when the Trojans had a pair of candidates in running back Reggie Bush and quarterback Matt Leinart. Bush won last year's Heisman, and Leinart won in 2004.
"We'll treat them equal, we have a Web page for each of them, and we'll try to keep them in the forefront as much as we can," Snapp said. "Southern Cal proved that you can have two guys up for the award, treat them the same, and not end up hurting the chances of either one of them."
Last year, Memphis promoted the Heisman candidacy of running back DeAngelo Williams by sending the eligible voters around the country a die-cast NASCAR-style stock car with his number and image on it. Snapp said he prefers a more direct approach.
"Things have changed over the years, and although some of those things have been used in the past, I think the gimmick stage is gone," he said. "It has to be more subtle. Whenever people ask to come here and shoot photos, we try and get those two guys out there. You make people aware of them, but your approach has always been that you want your players to win any of these awards out on the field."
USC sports information
director Tim Tessalone said the low-key tack worked for the Trojans.

"We had two marquee players, and two very viable candidates, so our philosophy here was to promote them both, based on their own merits, and then let the season play itself out," Tessalone said.
"When you engage in elaborate Heisman campaigns like we've seen in the past, you risk wasting a lot of manpower, money, and worst of all, credibility. These days, every Heisman voter knows who is out there, so it's not so much to how you set the table, as to how you react to what happens during the season."
Snapp said the Buckeyes drastically have altered their approach in his more than 30 years associated with the football program. In 1973, Ohio State had three Heisman candidates playing for coach Woody Hayes in Griffin, Hicks, and linebacker Randy Gradishar.
"Every time Woody spoke, he always promoted John Hicks that year, and John ended up finishing second. The next two years, it was all Archie, and he won two in a row," Snapp said. "Back then, most of the promoting of certain players was done by the head coach."
In that 1973 balloting, Hicks was second, Griffin fifth, and Gradishar sixth, behind Heisman Trophy winner John Cappelletti of Penn State.
When George won the Heisman, Snapp sent the voters a postcard each week, with a different photo, updated stats, and a catchy phrase.
A refrigerator magnet introduced the voters to Pace, who finished fourth in the 1996
Heisman voting.

"Today, you want to keep the information flowing and hope that your players step up and make their case out on the field," Snapp said. "You don't have to be as creative as we did in the days before the use of the Internet was so widespread. Now, if a player is a Heisman-caliber individual, everybody knows it long before the season starts."
At schools with a profile that is not as significant as Ohio State's, getting the player introduced to the voters was always the key. Marshall, fresh out of the Division I-AA ranks, managed to get three of its players considered in the last decade as serious candidates for the nation's highest college football award: wide receiver Randy Moss, and quarterbacks Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich.
"We used postcards and Web sites, and RandyMoss.com was actually the first Heisman promo site in 1997," Marshall assistant athletic director for media relations Randy Burnside said. "We also used gadgets such as the Byron Leftwich bobblehead to get the names out there. The exposure was huge, and even though we did not have a Heisman winner, we did manage to have two finalists make it to New York City."
Snapp and the Buckeyes are hoping Smith and Ginn make that trip to the Heisman award show this year.
"This is one time we'd love to see it end in a tie," he said.

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here is article 2 from the blade on Sunday
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060827/COLUMNIST37/608270341/-1/SPORTS
Misused speedster won't win top trophy


COLUMBUS - Ted Ginn Jr. is on the path to stardom.

But don't look for him to hoist the Heisman hardware in what likely will be his final season at Ohio State.

Ginn has outrageous speed and extraordinary talent.

But the receiver/returner doesn't get enough opportunities to excel or showcase his skills.

Sometimes ever-conservative coach Jim Tressel forgets that Ginn is one of the most dangerous and explosive players in the country.

Ginn has been misused again and again by the Ohio State coaching staff.

The Buckeyes need to get the ball in his hands more often.

"Ted's got nothing but positive energy," Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith said. "He's a player that wants to get better, day in and day out. Wisdom and time are going to do nothing but make him better.

"I think he's going to be a great, great player before he's finished at Ohio State."

Ginn had a strong finish to his sensational freshman season, when he averaged a touchdown every seven times he touched the football.

Much was expected of him a year ago. But he suffered through a bit of a sophomore slump after being touted as a Heisman hopeful and appearing on the cover of Sports
Illustrated.

Ginn wants everyone to know that he is a more polished player as a junior, both on and off the field.

He no longer wants to be called Teddy, just Ted.

Ginn also made it clear that with the departure of Santonio

Holmes to the NFL, he is ready to be Smith's primary target. Holmes was a first-round pick of the Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

"Santonio was a great receiver, but he's gone," Ginn said. "We have to move on and go with the next guys coming up. We have some good receivers coming up with Anthony Gonzalez and Roy [Hall]. We have to be ready for those guys to step up and make plays.

"When they say Ohio State, they just can't say Ted Ginn. They have to say Anthony
Gonzalez and Roy Hall. You just have to be ready for things like that."

A year ago, Smith replaced Justin Zwick as the starting quarterback in the third game. He divided the ball pretty evenly between Ginn (51 catches, 803 yards, four touchdowns) and Holmes (53 catches, 977 yards, 11 scores).

The 21-year-old Ginn, who has added five pounds to his slender 6-foot, 180-pound frame, said the Buckeyes are not feeling any added pressure from being the top-ranked team in the preseason polls.

"It's time to rock and roll," he said. "I'm very excited. We're ranked No. 1 - it's an honor and a pleasure - but it's going to be a hard road. We've just got to play tough and play hard."

Ginn frequently was tripped up by his route running when he first arrived at Ohio State. But he's worked hard to improve that area of his game.

"Now I think you'd have to characterize him as an excellent route runner if you study the film," Tressel said.

The electrifying Ginn is lightning quick.

That has helped speed up his development as a receiver.

"I'm comfortable all of the time," Ginn said. "You have to come in with a level head. I just want to come in and make plays for my seniors. I think I've improved at route running and reading defenses and just being comfortable."

Ginn can kick it in on returns, as well.

He has a Big Ten-record five career punt returns for touchdowns and a kickoff return for another score.

Smith is expecting more of the same this season from Ginn, whom he has known since their childhood days growing up in Cleveland.

The dynamic duo played for Ginn's father, Ted Sr., at Glenville High School.

The elder Ginn coached Smith and considers him a son. Ginn Jr. and Smith consider each other brothers.

Touchdown Ted more than likely won't win the Heisman, but perhaps he could hand it off to his good buddy Smith.

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New season means new look for Heisman Watch

Posted: Monday August 28, 2006 12:28PM; Updated: Monday August 28, 2006 12:49PM

The Watchman believes that if you're not improving yourself, you're getting worse. With that in mind, we've incorporated a change to the Watch this year: Just like the BCS standings, the Heisman candidates will not be ranked until mid-October. Seriously, how silly is it to have players listed 1 through 10 after Week 1? That's not to say that the Watchman doesn't have a prediction as to who will win (Quinn, Quinn, Quinn). But under the new format neither he nor anyone else will receive what some have perceived (incorrectly, it should be said) as a head start.
So, in alphabetical order, here are the 10 leading candidates for the stiff-armed statuette.

Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville, Jr.
Heisman-o-meter: He's the triggerman of a prolific offense that knows the joy of six, but there is still doubt as to whether his surgically repaired right knee is fully healed. And playing in the Big East, he'll likely need great performances (can you say wins?) against Miami and West Virginia to be in the hunt.
Up next: Sunday vs. Kentucky

Michael Bush, RB, Louisville, Sr.
Heisman-o-meter: A tank (6-foot-3, 247 pounds) with surprising speed, Bush has proven to be an unstoppable goal-line force (23 rushing touchdowns in '05). But playing alongside quarterback Brohm, Bush may not even be the best player in his own backfield.
Up next: Sunday vs. Kentucky

Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas, Soph.
Heisman-o-meter: His chances looked much better before senior running back Selvin Young dropped 16 pounds in the offseason and turned the Longhorns' tailback situation into a time-share, but Charles still has absurd speed, an ability to bounce off tacklers and one of the nastiest offensive lines in the country blocking for him.
Up next: Saturday vs. North Texas

Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State, Jr.
Heisman-o-meter: A receiver has not won the Heisman since Desmond Howard in 1991. But if one is to win it this year, it likely will be Ginn, who, like Howard, is a receiving-returning wonder. Of course, the Watchman said the same thing about Ginn last year before watching him disappear in the middle of the season.
Up next: Saturday vs. Northern Illinois

Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn, Sr.
Heisman-o-meter: A dazzling combination of speed and strength, the 5-foot-11, 200-pound Irons stands out because he plays best in the biggest games -- at Georgia (179 rushing yards in '05), at Arkansas (182) and at LSU (218). And if personality could earn votes, the affable Irons would already have this won.
Up next: Saturday vs. Washington State

Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal, Jr.
Heisman-o-meter: One of Lynch's favorite players is Barry Sanders, which is appropriate since this 5-11, 217-pound speedy and shifty back runs very much like the former Oklahoma State great. Saturday's game at Tennessee will be Lynch's best chance to impress lazy Heisman voters (and yes, they do exist) who don't watch West Coast games.
Up next: Saturday at Tennessee

Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma, Jr.
Heisman-o-meter: There is no doubting Peterson's ability. He has talent like few others, and coach Bob Stoops even said recently -- with a straight face -- that Peterson should get between 30 and 35 carries a game this season. But Peterson needs the Sooners' inexperienced offensive line to jell quickly.
Up next: Saturday vs. UAB

Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame, Sr.
Heisman-o-meter: He has every quality a Heisman candidate could desire: the ability to put up huge numbers, most of his offensive weapons back, marquee games on the schedule, a national-title-contending team and, oh yeah, he plays the glamour position for the highest-profile team in the country. The one to beat.
Up next: Saturday at Georgia Tech

Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia, Soph.
Heisman-o-meter: The Mountaineers' fastest player (4.37 in the 40), Slaton started only the final six games of 2005 and rushed for 857 yards and 16 touchdowns. Extrapolate that over a 12-game season and that equates to 1,714 yards and 32 touchdowns on a team that should be in the national-championship picture.
Up next: Saturday vs. Marshall

Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State, Sr.
Heisman-o-meter: The nation's top dual-threat quarterback found his passing touch in the last two games last season against Michigan (300 yards) and Notre Dame (342). He can make a strong case for himself if he leads the Buckeyes to a win over defending-champion Texas in Austin on Sept. 9.
Up next: Saturday vs. Northern Illinois
 
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I agree with everything you said there. That is why I said that "if" things go right and they go undefeated it would be because of Peterson and he would win. Actually he would have to. or we would have to shoot the voters .
Well, IF northern illinois went undefeated, Wolfe might win the heisman too. We can play the IF game with lots of guys, but OU/NIU don't have much of a chance to go undefeated with their issues.
 
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Well, IF northern illinois went undefeated, Wolfe might win the heisman too. We can play the IF game with lots of guys, but OU/NIU don't have much of a chance to go undefeated with their issues.

to quote" what's the definition of IT"
and isnt all of football an " if" and so the remark was a supposition wasn't it.
and so "IF" NIu goes undeated then wolfe might win the heisman.
Since Peterson is about the only weapon okla has left if they went undefeated it would have been due to Peterson and that would be a Heisman achievment most would agree.
 
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Heisman/Nagurski favorites

By Wendell Barnhouse

Star-Telegram Staff Writer

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Heisman Trophy
Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, right The last Heisman winner to play for the Irish was Tim Brown in 1987. Notre Dame has never gone this long between Heisman winners. Quinn, who is in his second season being molded and shaped by coach Charlie Weis, threw for 32 touchdowns and 3,633 yards last season. Another year like that should have the 6-foot-4, 231-pound senior holding the bronze trophy on Dec. 9.
Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma As a freshman, he was runner-up to Matt Leinart in the 2004 Heisman voting. He goes into his junior season healthy and with a goal of rushing for 2,200 yards. The dismissal of quarterback Rhett Bomar means the Sooners' offensive burden is squarely on Peterson's shoulders. If OU can throw the ball enough to keep defenses honest, Peterson should come close to his goal.
Chris Leak, Florida Like Quinn, Leak is in his second season learning a new offense. The senior is not a game-breaking runner, so he's not a perfect fit in the spread offense favored by Gators coach Urban Meyer. However, South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier calls Leak a "beautiful passer." If the running game improves enough, Leak should be able to pass his way into Heisman contention.
Troy Smith, Ohio State He's the 2006 version of Vince Young. The 6-1, 215-pound senior has a running back's build and could probably play that position if he wasn't such a good passer. Smith blossomed last season, completing 63 percent of his passes for 2,282 yards. His ability to run it (611 yards, 11 touchdowns) or throw it allowed the Buckeyes to ditch their stodgy style and spread the field.
Marshawn Lynch, California Like Peterson, Lynch is a junior coming off a sophomore season spoiled by injuries. The 5-11, 223-pounder missed two games with a hand injury. He still finished with 1,246 yards and averaged 6.4 yards per carry. The Bears are going to emphasize the run even more this season, so Lynch should have even better stats in 2006 if he stays healthy.
Nagurski Award
(Presented to the nation's best defensive player)
Paul Posluszny, Penn State
The senior is another product of Linebacker U. The 6-1, 238-pounder suffered a knee injury in the fourth quarter of the Orange Bowl, but has recovered. Posluszny enters the season with a high profile, having won the Butkus and Bednarik awards last season. He had 116 tackles last season, but was playing behind a veteran defensive line.
Patrick Willis, Ole Miss He is an outstanding player on an average team. Willis is a middle linebacker who led the nation in solo tackles last season (nine per game) and was named the Southeastern Conference's defensive player of the year. The 6-2, 230-pounder played the entire season despite a broken finger, a sprained knee and a partially separated shoulder.
Quentin Moses, Georgia The Bulldogs have produced some top-notch defensive linemen the last few years and Moses fits the profile. The 6-5, 250-pounder spent one season as a reserve on Georgia's basketball. Moses' quickness and long arms that made him consider an NBA career serve him well as a pass-rushing defensive end. Last season, he had 11.5 sacks and 20.5 tackles for loss.
Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma The Sooners have produced four winners of the Butkus Award that goes to the nation's top linebacker. Alexander is a candidate for that award and should also challenge for the Nagurski. The 6-1, 230-pounder will operate behind a top-notch defensive line that should keep blockers busy. Alexander led the Big 12 in tackles last year with 102 and 17 of those were for negative yardage.
Gaines Adams, Clemson, left Last season, the Atlantic Coast Conference produced a handful of defensive linemen who were high NFL Draft picks. Adams should continue that trend. At 6-5, 265 pounds he combines height and weight with outstanding quickness that could translate to being an outside linebacker at the pro level. Adams had 9.5 sacks last season.
 
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Heisman Watch [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] We promised ourselves to hold off until at least Labor Day but what the heck ... [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] 1. Troy Smith, Ohio State: Flawless. Seventy-percent completion rate, Three touchdown throws. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] 2. John David Booty, USC: The next Great One at Troy? [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] 3. Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State: Four catches, 123 yards. Two touchdowns in the first 8½ minutes against Northern Illinois. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] 4. Steve Slaton, West Virginia: In the mix big-time after a 203-yard sophomore debut against Marshall. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] 5. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame: Numbers weren't great, but an inspiring second-half performance. Completed 16 of his last 22 against Georgia Tech. [/FONT]
 
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Dodd

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Heisman Watch [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]We promised ourselves to hold off until at least Labor Day but what the heck ... [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]1. Troy Smith, Ohio State: Flawless. Seventy-percent completion rate, Three touchdown throws. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]2. John David Booty, USC: The next Great One at Troy? [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]3. Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State: Four catches, 123 yards. Two touchdowns in the first 8½ minutes against Northern Illinois. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]4. Steve Slaton, West Virginia: In the mix big-time after a 203-yard sophomore debut against Marshall. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]5. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame: Numbers weren't great, but an inspiring second-half performance. Completed 16 of his last 22 against Georgia Tech. [/FONT]

This could get hard.
But I think Troy and Ted had as good a day as any, but I'm prejudiced. How do you pick between these two?

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ESPN's Heisman Watch

Brady Quinn | QB | Notre Dame

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Brady Quinn didn't look like his inhuman self against a quick and talented Georgia Tech defense. At the end of the day, though, he found a way to win and kept himself in the race.
Last performance: Quinn completed 23 of 39 passes for 256 yards. His most important stat line came on the ground: seven carries, 22 yards, one touchdown.

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2006 Season Stats:
Passing: 256 YDS | 0 TD
Rushing: 22 YDS | 1 TD
114.11 RAT | 0 INT | 59 CMP%

Next: Notre Dame vs. Penn State

9/9 | 3:30 pm ET | NBC


Adrian Peterson | RB | Oklahoma

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OU's performance in its 24-17 win over UAB was ugly, but Adrian Peterson, as always, was the Sooners' bright spot. Like Quinn, Peterson didn't put up gaudy numbers, but his play was critical in the victory.
Last performance: Peterson rushed for 139 yards and one touchdown on 24 carries. He also caught a 69-yard pass from converted QB Paul Thompson.

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2006 Season Stats:
24 ATT | 139 YDS | 1 TD
5.7 AVG | 37 LNG
1 REC | 69 YDS


Next: Oklahoma vs. Washington

9/8 | 3:30 pm ET | ABC


Troy Smith | QB | Ohio State

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Troy Smith padded his Heisman resume with his performance against Northern Illinois. He teamed up with fellow Heisman hopeful Ted Ginn for the Buckeyes' first two scores.
Last performance: Smith went 18-for-25, tallying 296 total yards and three touchdowns. Not too shabby.

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2006 Season Stats:
Passing: 297 YDS | 3 TD
Rushing: -1 YDS | 0 TD
162.7 RAT | 0 INT | 72.0 CMP%

Next: Ohio State vs. Texas

9/9 | 8 pm ET | ABC


Marshawn Lynch | RB | California

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Marshawn Lynch's Heisman campaign got off to a rocky start. In fact, the Vols might have pushed his chances right off of Rocky Top.
Last performance: Lynch carried 12 times for 74 yards and caught five passes for 22 yards in Cal's 35-18 loss to Tennessee.

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2006 Season Stats:
12 ATT | 74 YDS | 0 TD
6.2 AVG | 22 LNG


Next: California vs. Minnesota

9/9 | 7 pm ET | TBS


Kenny Irons | RB | Auburn

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Kenny Irons was the motor that powered Auburn's offense in its 40-14 win over Washington State.
Last performance: Irons rushed for 184 yards on 21 carries and chipped in a touchdown. He also caught three passes for 38 yards.

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2006 Season Stats:
21 ATT | 184 YDS | 1 TD
8.8 AVG | 58 LNG


Next: Auburn vs. Mississippi State

9/9 | 12:30 pm ET | ESPN GamePlan
 
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