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cincibuckeyenut
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R0CK3TM4NN;630754; said:
I actually think he (ND guy) is right. If Smith has a good game in Michigan and we lose, or we win Michigan but Smith plays poorly, I am not so sure he keeps in front of the Heisman race. He has very good stats, but not glossy stats. Troy is about good stats, great leadership, refuse to lose. But if he loses, he is now just about good stats. And Brady will put up bigger numbers.
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cincibuckeyenut;631042; said:
And so, to people who look at numbers out of context, Brady gets the vote.
I post as many stats as anyone on this site (arguably). I've even made up my own stats. But the thing that I write most frequently about stats is that they don't mean jack-diddly-rumple-frickin-stiltskin without CONTEXT.
The relevant context here is that Troy does what it takes to win. Period. He manages the game like a coach on the field. Having the highest career QB rating in Big Ten HISTORY is a product of that; but the most important product of it were double-digit victories at Texas and Iowa.
More Context:
- Teams are working very hard to keep our vertical game in check, at least early in games. This gives us the short passing game. You saw us adjust and take advantage of it, especially against Iowa and BG.
- After we get a lead we run the ball on first down.
- 10 first down passes in the first half vs. Texas, none in the 2nd
- at least half-a-dozen first down passes last Saturday, One in the second half. It went for 57 yards and a TD.
- The point here is that if we continued to pass on 1st down after getting a lead, Troy's numbers would be astronomical.
- People know about number 2, and stack the box. We run anyway. When we need to, we will throw when they stack the box. The point HERE is that this offense has immense untapped potential.
The overarching point to all of this is that, regardless of NUMBERS, the CONTEXT screams that Troy Smith is the most outstanding player in college football. That is what the Heisman is supposed to be about. Most of the voters understand that, and that is why Troy is in the lead. That is why he will win. That is why we will win in Glendale.
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WaitingforKickoff
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cincibuckeyenut;631042; said:
I agree here. I think we all get the feeling that Troy winning the Heisman is contingent upon him going undefeated in the regular season. If we stumble, I'm sure the writers will be eager to give the hardwares to others.
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OregonBuckeye
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Ivan Maisel said he didn't vote Troy Smith #1(the only person not to on ESPN because Troy got 14 out of a possible 15 votes) because he's the product of a great supporting cast. He compared him to a Tee Martin or Craig Krenzel. What a dumbass. I guess Matt Leinart was the product of a great supporting cast. Same with just about every Heisman Trophy winner in the history of the award.
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Sporting News
Best first-half Heisman showing: Troy Smith
October 11, 2006
This really isn't even an argument at this point about who deserves the Heisman of the half season. Of course it's Troy Smith. Who else is there?
Adrian Peterson
Positive: He and Darren McFadden are the two best pure tailbacks in the country.
Negative: Sooners have two losses and A.P. loafed after that lateral last week vs. bitter rival Texas, and cost his team a touchdown.
Brady Quinn
Positive: On pure numbers alone, he's having a big season. That Michigan State comeback was magical. Well, for some, anyway (Keep the kiddies' ears plugged -- and for the love of God, don't play it at work. I literally cannot stop listening to it.)
Negative: Did you watch the Michigan game?
Garrett Wolfe
Positive: On pace for 2,000-plus yards.
Negative: LaDainian Tomlinson hit 2,000 and didn't win it; last Sunday, Wolfe had the college football world to himself (those who weren't watching the NFL), and had just162 yards against winless Miami (Ohio).
Chris Leak
Positive: The Gators have the best wins of any team in the nation, and Leak's calming influence has been a huge reason.
Negative: Somehow Leak has been overshadowed by backup Tim Tebow.
Finally, we have Troy Smith, who continues to play well in big games. In games against Texas, Penn State and Iowa, Smith completed 62 percent of his passes with seven touchdowns. He won all three games with big plays in the passing game. And there's no way this team is unbeaten and ranked No. 1 with Justin Zwick at quarterback.
Best first-half Heisman showing: Troy Smith
October 11, 2006
This really isn't even an argument at this point about who deserves the Heisman of the half season. Of course it's Troy Smith. Who else is there?
Adrian Peterson
Positive: He and Darren McFadden are the two best pure tailbacks in the country.
Negative: Sooners have two losses and A.P. loafed after that lateral last week vs. bitter rival Texas, and cost his team a touchdown.
Brady Quinn
Positive: On pure numbers alone, he's having a big season. That Michigan State comeback was magical. Well, for some, anyway (Keep the kiddies' ears plugged -- and for the love of God, don't play it at work. I literally cannot stop listening to it.)
Negative: Did you watch the Michigan game?
Garrett Wolfe
Positive: On pace for 2,000-plus yards.
Negative: LaDainian Tomlinson hit 2,000 and didn't win it; last Sunday, Wolfe had the college football world to himself (those who weren't watching the NFL), and had just162 yards against winless Miami (Ohio).
Chris Leak
Positive: The Gators have the best wins of any team in the nation, and Leak's calming influence has been a huge reason.
Negative: Somehow Leak has been overshadowed by backup Tim Tebow.
Finally, we have Troy Smith, who continues to play well in big games. In games against Texas, Penn State and Iowa, Smith completed 62 percent of his passes with seven touchdowns. He won all three games with big plays in the passing game. And there's no way this team is unbeaten and ranked No. 1 with Justin Zwick at quarterback.
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Handicapping the Heisman
By Richard Cirminiello
Collegefootballnews.com
Posted Oct 9, 2006
Through the years, we?ve seen hundreds of players get stonewalled from winning the Heisman because they weren?t surrounded by enough talent. However, when does a program have too much talent to support a Heisman winner?
Witness Cal and Michigan. High-profile, top 10 teams that by all accounts should be a breeding ground for post-season honors, but if a straw poll was taken today, neither would have a candidate headed to New York City. No Chad Henne or Nate Longshore. No Michael Hart or Marshawn Lynch. No Mario Manningham or DeSean Jackson. Why? Well, neither talent nor numbers is the issue. The problem lies in a glut of skill position stars on a single offense that makes it difficult for voters to differentiate one Wolverine or one Bear from another, so they all get cursory looks, but not enough attention to stand out or mount a serious challenge?ideal for each offense, but not so great for the trophy case.
The following ranking is not a personal opinion, rather a handicapping of how the contenders would fare if a vote was taken today.
1. QB Troy Smith, Ohio State ? If Smith keeps playing the way he did against Bowling Green Saturday, he?s liable to pull away in October and make this a very predictable Heisman race. This past weekend, he had as many touchdown passes as incompletions, three, while picking up 54 yards rushing to remind those who forgot that he can still make plays when he tucks and runs.
Last Week: 17-of-20 for 191 yards and 3 TDs ? 7 carries for 54 yards (Bowling Green)
This Week: at Michigan State
2006 Season: 101-of-148 for 1,261 yards, 15 TDs and 2 INTs
Barometer: Rising
2. RB Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois ? You know a back is special when 162 yards rushing is considered an ?off? night. Wolfe was hemmed in by Miami, but broke off enough big runs to finish with a respectable stat line that was reminiscent of what Barry Sanders used to do for the Detroit Lions. Talking heads are suggesting Wolfe is getting dogged by a lack of pub. The reality? Absolutely no one is getting more media attention these days than the Huskie pocket rocket.
Last Week: 29 carries for 162 yards and 2 TDs (Miami-OH)
This Week: at Western Michigan
2006 Season: 185 carries for 1,343 yards and 13 TDs ? 13 catches for 162 yards and 1 TD
Barometer: Rising
3. RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma ? In what was probably his last really big game of 2006, Peterson had a pedestrian effort that has caused him to begin sliding. For some voters, the lasting impression of this year?s Red River Rivalry will be Peterson failing to hustle on a lateral that Longhorn Aaron Ross scooped up for a fourth quarter touchdown that sealed the win for Texas.
Last Week: 25 carries for 109 yards and 1 TD (Texas)
This Week: vs. Iowa State
2006 Season: 142 carries for 752 yards and 8 TDs ? 5 catch for 82 yards and 1 TD
Barometer: Falling
4. QB Brady Quinn, Notre Dame ? Ever since the fourth quarter of the Michigan State game, Quinn?s had his Heisman camper in cruise control. With every touchdown pass he throws and every game the Irish win comfortably, the Sept. 16 debacle against Michigan fades a little more. Quinn?s still got a long way to go, however, don?t underestimate the power of the Irish or the potential impact one monster game at USC might have before votes are cast.
Last Week: 27-of-37 for 232 yards and 3 TDs (Stanford)
This Week: Idle
2006 Season: 148-of-233 for 1,634 yards, 16 TDs and 4 INTs ? 1 rushing TD
Barometer: Steady
5. RB Steve Slaton, West Virginia ? Slaton burst out of his off week with 185 yards and a touchdown in Starkville, wearing out the Mississippi State defense in the third quarter. With upcoming games versus Syracuse and Connecticut, he?ll have a difficult time realizing much upward mobility until the Mountaineers square off with Louisville in next month?s high-profile ESPN Thursday night offering.
Last Week: 26 carries for 185 yards and 1 TD (Mississippi State)
This Week: vs. Syracuse
2006 Season: 112 carries for 768 yards and 7 TDs
Barometer: Steady
6. QB Chris Leak, Florida ? Getting upstaged by a true freshman is beginning to really damage Leak?s Heisman street cred?even as the Gators ascend toward the top of both polls. In baseball parlance, Leak has become a table-setter, while Tim Tebow has gradually morphed into Florida?s big run producer. Chicks, and Heisman voters, still dig the long ball.
Last Week: 17-of-26 for 155 yards and 1 INT (LSU)
This Week: at Auburn
2006 Season: 101-of-156 for 1,395 yards, 14 TDs and 5 INTs
Barometer: Falling
7. WR Ted Ginn, Ohio State ? Needing a big game to remain relevant in this discussion, Ginn delivered a career-best 10 catches and a 57-yard touchdown reception to cap the Buckeyes? scoring against Bowling Green. To get out of neutral, he?ll have to do pop off a few electrifying plays soon, preferably as a punt returner.
Last Week: 10 catches for 122 yards and 1 TD (Bowling Green)
This Week: at Michigan State
2006 Season: 33 catches for 459 yards and 6 TDs
Barometer: Steady
8. RB Marshawn Lynch, Cal ? After Lynch left Saturday?s game with an ankle sprain, the offense, including the running game, did not skip a beat. In fact, the Bears flourished with Justin Forsett carrying the load?not exactly a recipe for Heisman success. If Lynch is out for any period of time, his already tenuous campaign is over.
Last Week: 7 carries for 50 yards (Oregon)
This Week: at Washington State
2006 Season: 86 carries for 605 yards and 4 TDs ? 12 catches for 146 yards and 3 TDs
Barometer: Falling
9. QB Chad Henne, Michigan ? For the time being, another crisp, efficient effort from Henne has the quarterback surpassing teammate Michael Hart as unbeaten Michigan?s most eligible Heisman bachelor. He needed just 11 completions against Michigan State to throw three touchdown passes for the second consecutive week. This week?s primetime, nationally televised trip to Happy Valley will provide an enormous opportunity for Henne to make up some ground in the minds of voters.
Last Week: 11-of-17 for 140 yards and 3 TDs (Michigan State)
This Week: at Penn State
2006 Season: 80-of-129 for 1,103 yards, 13 TDs and 4 INTs
Barometer: Rising
Heisman Contender of the Week
10. QB Erik Ainge, Tennessee ? Ainge?s resurgent junior season continued with Saturday night?s 51-33 demolition of Georgia between the hedges. The nation?s sixth-rated passer had his hand in three touchdowns, which was good enough to earn Player of the Week recognition and some additional Heisman support. Had he not been picked off last month by Florida safety Reggie Nelson as the Vols drove for the game-winning score, Ainge might be leading this race at the halfway point.
Last Week: 25-of-38 for 268 yards and 2 TDs ? 1 rushing TD (Georgia)
This Week: vs. Alabama
2006 Season: 118-of-171 for 1,657 yards, 14 TDs and 5 INTs ?1 rushing TD
Barometer: Rising
Also Getting Votes ? WR Calvin Johnson (Georgia Tech), Michael Hart (Michigan), QB John David Booty (USC), RB Ray Rice (Rutgers), DeSean Jackson (Cal), RB James Davis (Clemson), Nate Longshore (Cal), Chase Daniel (Missouri) and Kenny Irons (Auburn)
Handicapping the Heisman
By Richard Cirminiello
Collegefootballnews.com
Posted Oct 9, 2006
Through the years, we?ve seen hundreds of players get stonewalled from winning the Heisman because they weren?t surrounded by enough talent. However, when does a program have too much talent to support a Heisman winner?
Witness Cal and Michigan. High-profile, top 10 teams that by all accounts should be a breeding ground for post-season honors, but if a straw poll was taken today, neither would have a candidate headed to New York City. No Chad Henne or Nate Longshore. No Michael Hart or Marshawn Lynch. No Mario Manningham or DeSean Jackson. Why? Well, neither talent nor numbers is the issue. The problem lies in a glut of skill position stars on a single offense that makes it difficult for voters to differentiate one Wolverine or one Bear from another, so they all get cursory looks, but not enough attention to stand out or mount a serious challenge?ideal for each offense, but not so great for the trophy case.
The following ranking is not a personal opinion, rather a handicapping of how the contenders would fare if a vote was taken today.
1. QB Troy Smith, Ohio State ? If Smith keeps playing the way he did against Bowling Green Saturday, he?s liable to pull away in October and make this a very predictable Heisman race. This past weekend, he had as many touchdown passes as incompletions, three, while picking up 54 yards rushing to remind those who forgot that he can still make plays when he tucks and runs.
Last Week: 17-of-20 for 191 yards and 3 TDs ? 7 carries for 54 yards (Bowling Green)
This Week: at Michigan State
2006 Season: 101-of-148 for 1,261 yards, 15 TDs and 2 INTs
Barometer: Rising
2. RB Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois ? You know a back is special when 162 yards rushing is considered an ?off? night. Wolfe was hemmed in by Miami, but broke off enough big runs to finish with a respectable stat line that was reminiscent of what Barry Sanders used to do for the Detroit Lions. Talking heads are suggesting Wolfe is getting dogged by a lack of pub. The reality? Absolutely no one is getting more media attention these days than the Huskie pocket rocket.
Last Week: 29 carries for 162 yards and 2 TDs (Miami-OH)
This Week: at Western Michigan
2006 Season: 185 carries for 1,343 yards and 13 TDs ? 13 catches for 162 yards and 1 TD
Barometer: Rising
3. RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma ? In what was probably his last really big game of 2006, Peterson had a pedestrian effort that has caused him to begin sliding. For some voters, the lasting impression of this year?s Red River Rivalry will be Peterson failing to hustle on a lateral that Longhorn Aaron Ross scooped up for a fourth quarter touchdown that sealed the win for Texas.
Last Week: 25 carries for 109 yards and 1 TD (Texas)
This Week: vs. Iowa State
2006 Season: 142 carries for 752 yards and 8 TDs ? 5 catch for 82 yards and 1 TD
Barometer: Falling
4. QB Brady Quinn, Notre Dame ? Ever since the fourth quarter of the Michigan State game, Quinn?s had his Heisman camper in cruise control. With every touchdown pass he throws and every game the Irish win comfortably, the Sept. 16 debacle against Michigan fades a little more. Quinn?s still got a long way to go, however, don?t underestimate the power of the Irish or the potential impact one monster game at USC might have before votes are cast.
Last Week: 27-of-37 for 232 yards and 3 TDs (Stanford)
This Week: Idle
2006 Season: 148-of-233 for 1,634 yards, 16 TDs and 4 INTs ? 1 rushing TD
Barometer: Steady
5. RB Steve Slaton, West Virginia ? Slaton burst out of his off week with 185 yards and a touchdown in Starkville, wearing out the Mississippi State defense in the third quarter. With upcoming games versus Syracuse and Connecticut, he?ll have a difficult time realizing much upward mobility until the Mountaineers square off with Louisville in next month?s high-profile ESPN Thursday night offering.
Last Week: 26 carries for 185 yards and 1 TD (Mississippi State)
This Week: vs. Syracuse
2006 Season: 112 carries for 768 yards and 7 TDs
Barometer: Steady
6. QB Chris Leak, Florida ? Getting upstaged by a true freshman is beginning to really damage Leak?s Heisman street cred?even as the Gators ascend toward the top of both polls. In baseball parlance, Leak has become a table-setter, while Tim Tebow has gradually morphed into Florida?s big run producer. Chicks, and Heisman voters, still dig the long ball.
Last Week: 17-of-26 for 155 yards and 1 INT (LSU)
This Week: at Auburn
2006 Season: 101-of-156 for 1,395 yards, 14 TDs and 5 INTs
Barometer: Falling
7. WR Ted Ginn, Ohio State ? Needing a big game to remain relevant in this discussion, Ginn delivered a career-best 10 catches and a 57-yard touchdown reception to cap the Buckeyes? scoring against Bowling Green. To get out of neutral, he?ll have to do pop off a few electrifying plays soon, preferably as a punt returner.
Last Week: 10 catches for 122 yards and 1 TD (Bowling Green)
This Week: at Michigan State
2006 Season: 33 catches for 459 yards and 6 TDs
Barometer: Steady
8. RB Marshawn Lynch, Cal ? After Lynch left Saturday?s game with an ankle sprain, the offense, including the running game, did not skip a beat. In fact, the Bears flourished with Justin Forsett carrying the load?not exactly a recipe for Heisman success. If Lynch is out for any period of time, his already tenuous campaign is over.
Last Week: 7 carries for 50 yards (Oregon)
This Week: at Washington State
2006 Season: 86 carries for 605 yards and 4 TDs ? 12 catches for 146 yards and 3 TDs
Barometer: Falling
9. QB Chad Henne, Michigan ? For the time being, another crisp, efficient effort from Henne has the quarterback surpassing teammate Michael Hart as unbeaten Michigan?s most eligible Heisman bachelor. He needed just 11 completions against Michigan State to throw three touchdown passes for the second consecutive week. This week?s primetime, nationally televised trip to Happy Valley will provide an enormous opportunity for Henne to make up some ground in the minds of voters.
Last Week: 11-of-17 for 140 yards and 3 TDs (Michigan State)
This Week: at Penn State
2006 Season: 80-of-129 for 1,103 yards, 13 TDs and 4 INTs
Barometer: Rising
Heisman Contender of the Week
10. QB Erik Ainge, Tennessee ? Ainge?s resurgent junior season continued with Saturday night?s 51-33 demolition of Georgia between the hedges. The nation?s sixth-rated passer had his hand in three touchdowns, which was good enough to earn Player of the Week recognition and some additional Heisman support. Had he not been picked off last month by Florida safety Reggie Nelson as the Vols drove for the game-winning score, Ainge might be leading this race at the halfway point.
Last Week: 25-of-38 for 268 yards and 2 TDs ? 1 rushing TD (Georgia)
This Week: vs. Alabama
2006 Season: 118-of-171 for 1,657 yards, 14 TDs and 5 INTs ?1 rushing TD
Barometer: Rising
Also Getting Votes ? WR Calvin Johnson (Georgia Tech), Michael Hart (Michigan), QB John David Booty (USC), RB Ray Rice (Rutgers), DeSean Jackson (Cal), RB James Davis (Clemson), Nate Longshore (Cal), Chase Daniel (Missouri) and Kenny Irons (Auburn)
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Maisel's Heisman pick
1. Who is the player of the half-year? If the ESPN Heisman poll is any indication, Ohio State senior quarterback Troy Smith is a runaway winner. He has 14 of 15 first-place votes. The one voter who didn't select Smith first is near and dear to me. He is, uh, I.
Before any Buckeyes begin to man their battle stations, hear me out. I think Smith is the best quarterback in the nation this season. He has proven himself as a talented passer. He showed against Bowling Green on Saturday that, even if he didn't show it in the first five games of the season, he hasn't forgotten how to tuck the ball into the crook of his arm and move the chains.
Harry Cabluck/AP Photo
Troy Smith has sparked the Buckeyes to a 6-0 start.
As good as he is, I think his best assets are intangible. It is obvious, even from my limited interaction with him -- a group interview here, a few postgame interviews there -- that Smith has matured into a leader. The rest of the locker room will follow him anywhere.
That said, I think there's a difference between the Heisman, which honors the "most outstanding player" in college football, and the typical award. That word "outstanding" suggests a level of excellence that Smith, in my mind, hasn't achieved.
But who has? Is there a player out there who has wowed anyone this season? The player with the best statistics is tailback Garrett Wolfe, but he made the mistake of accepting a scholarship at Northern Illinois. I say that tongue-in-cheek, because I don't think Wolfe has anything else to prove, even if he is in the Mid-American Conference. The Senior Bowl, which doesn't invite anyone that it doesn't think will interest the NFL, is going to invite Wolfe.
Perhaps it is my prejudice toward my own opinion, but I began the season thinking Oklahoma tailback Adrian Peterson is the best player in the country, and I have seen nothing to change my mind. Peterson gained "only" 109 yards against Texas, and had a brain lock on the pass he didn't catch that turned out to be (A) a lateral and (B) a fumble recovered by Texas and returned for a touchdown.
Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson and West Virginia tailback Steve Slaton also deserve consideration. But here's the bottom line: Who has distinguished himself as an individual player? As the "most outstanding player" in the nation. It may be that we're waiting for last year's race, when Reggie Bush had one of the great seasons of recent memory. Given the support for Troy Smith, he seems to be, as the leader of the No. 1 team, the default candidate.
By that criteria, some of our recent Heisman winners would include Tee Martin of Tennessee (1998) and Craig Krenzel of Ohio State (2002) and Jason White of Oklahoma (2003). And we all know that none of them -- oh, wait a minute. White won. My point is, the Heisman shouldn't go to anyone by default.
Make Smith the player of the half-season, but let's not inscribe his name on American sport's most famous trophy just yet.
1. Who is the player of the half-year? If the ESPN Heisman poll is any indication, Ohio State senior quarterback Troy Smith is a runaway winner. He has 14 of 15 first-place votes. The one voter who didn't select Smith first is near and dear to me. He is, uh, I.
Before any Buckeyes begin to man their battle stations, hear me out. I think Smith is the best quarterback in the nation this season. He has proven himself as a talented passer. He showed against Bowling Green on Saturday that, even if he didn't show it in the first five games of the season, he hasn't forgotten how to tuck the ball into the crook of his arm and move the chains.
Harry Cabluck/AP Photo
Troy Smith has sparked the Buckeyes to a 6-0 start.
As good as he is, I think his best assets are intangible. It is obvious, even from my limited interaction with him -- a group interview here, a few postgame interviews there -- that Smith has matured into a leader. The rest of the locker room will follow him anywhere.
That said, I think there's a difference between the Heisman, which honors the "most outstanding player" in college football, and the typical award. That word "outstanding" suggests a level of excellence that Smith, in my mind, hasn't achieved.
But who has? Is there a player out there who has wowed anyone this season? The player with the best statistics is tailback Garrett Wolfe, but he made the mistake of accepting a scholarship at Northern Illinois. I say that tongue-in-cheek, because I don't think Wolfe has anything else to prove, even if he is in the Mid-American Conference. The Senior Bowl, which doesn't invite anyone that it doesn't think will interest the NFL, is going to invite Wolfe.
Perhaps it is my prejudice toward my own opinion, but I began the season thinking Oklahoma tailback Adrian Peterson is the best player in the country, and I have seen nothing to change my mind. Peterson gained "only" 109 yards against Texas, and had a brain lock on the pass he didn't catch that turned out to be (A) a lateral and (B) a fumble recovered by Texas and returned for a touchdown.
Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson and West Virginia tailback Steve Slaton also deserve consideration. But here's the bottom line: Who has distinguished himself as an individual player? As the "most outstanding player" in the nation. It may be that we're waiting for last year's race, when Reggie Bush had one of the great seasons of recent memory. Given the support for Troy Smith, he seems to be, as the leader of the No. 1 team, the default candidate.
By that criteria, some of our recent Heisman winners would include Tee Martin of Tennessee (1998) and Craig Krenzel of Ohio State (2002) and Jason White of Oklahoma (2003). And we all know that none of them -- oh, wait a minute. White won. My point is, the Heisman shouldn't go to anyone by default.
Make Smith the player of the half-season, but let's not inscribe his name on American sport's most famous trophy just yet.
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OregonBuckeye;631135; said:
Krenzel had a 140.9 rating, a completion rate of under 60%, and a TD/INT ratio of 12/7. Smith has a rating almost 30 points higher, a completion rate nearly 10% higher, and has a superb TD/INT ratio of 15/2 (more passing TDs in six games than Krenzel had in 14). Sorry, but anyone comparing Krenzel and Smith for Heisman stats is on crack...
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EyesofMarch
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Wolfe has no chance
If NIU's back really wanted it, he would have gone for 300+ against Miami last Sunday on national TV. He didn't, so he may get invited to New York, but no way he wins. Troy Smith leads TOSU to victory over scUM, it's his. Smith's only competition is Steve Slaton if the Mountaineers go unbeaten, but even then, it'll be tough to vote against Troy.
GO BUCKS!!
If NIU's back really wanted it, he would have gone for 300+ against Miami last Sunday on national TV. He didn't, so he may get invited to New York, but no way he wins. Troy Smith leads TOSU to victory over scUM, it's his. Smith's only competition is Steve Slaton if the Mountaineers go unbeaten, but even then, it'll be tough to vote against Troy.
GO BUCKS!!
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Adrian Peterson is out for the year with a broken collarbone......
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Hmm. Wolfe and Peterson should both be out of the race now. Kind of a double-edged sword, though. Now, Quinn and the hype-machine should gain a couple spots in the top 5 or so.
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