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2006 Heisman Discussion (merged all)

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#10Troy Smith;633846; said:
That could possibly hurt Smith, Now Quinn is up their by default, then when some of the voters who don't even cover the sport compare stats they could toss more votes to Quinn. This was a huge day for Quinn.
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#10Troy Smith;633846; said:
That could possibly hurt Smith, Now Quinn is up their by default, then when some of the voters who don't even cover the sport compare stats they could toss more votes to Quinn. This was a huge day for Quinn.
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It was just as big a day for Troy. As long as Ohio State wins out you have nothing to worry about. Didn't 14 out of 15 sportcasters from ESPN say they would vote for Troy Smith for Heisman right now? The voters have two huge games in their minds right now - Texas and Iowa. Troy was outstanding in both games. The Midwest vote will go to Troy Smith and I am sure most of the Big 12 vote, since Peterson is done, will go to Troy also because of his Texas performance. The west really has nobody noteworthy for the Heisman and Troy will take that also. The eastern vote could get interesting because of the Notre Dame bias but ESPN seems pro-Troy Smith to me.
 
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Ok who is in this race now besides Troy?
Quinn , does his chances depend on beating USC?
Desean Jackson, Yesterday he was referred to as the "most dangerous" player in college football.
Brohm, he played well so is he back in it?
White, From Wv , 247 yards against Syr
who else?
Hart, Is he close enough
Slaton, runs well. Now does he have competion from white
 
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As of now, I believe that Smith's strongest competition for the award comes from Steve Slaton and the Brady Quinn hype machine. Troy is now 6th in the country in passing efficiency.

Peterson is obviously out of it with a broken collarbone apparently ending his regular season.

Garrett Wolfe had only 25 yards on 18 carries. A trip to NY is still possible with huge numbers the rest of the way, but he can't win the award.

Slaton had 163 yards and 1 TD on 20 carries yesterday, and caught 1 pass for 3 yards, but got outshone by QB Pat White, who ran for 247 and 4 TDs. Slaton needs to have a big day against Louisville in order to get the voters' attention.

Quinn does not belong in the top 10 (let alone top 5) at this point, but because of the hype machine he must be tracked. ND was off Saturday. He is now 31st in the nation in passing efficiency, which doesn't even account in the fact that 3 of his turnovers were returned for TDs.

Hart had 26 carries for 112 yards and 1 TD. He's solid, but 5.0 yards per carry and 6 TDs isn't going to get many Heisman votes. Manningham missed the Penn State game, and probably will miss 1 more game (my speculation) coming back from the knee surgery. Henne was 15-30 for 196 with 1 TD. They are spreading the wealth, and nobody has emerged as a serious Heisman threat. And as long as tOSU wins The Game, Troy will have to be rated higher than any of those guys.

Calvin Johnson had a bye week for Ga Tech. They have a significant game for the ACC next week at Clemson.

Eric Ainge of Tennessee was also off this week. The next 4 weeks (Alabama, at S. Carolina, LSU, and at Arkansas) give him a chance to get some big wins and improve his profile. Ainge is now 7th in passing efficiency.

Fringe candidates who didn't help themselves yesterday:

- Chris Leak was 9 of 17 for 108 yards, with 1 TD and 1 pick. Since Florida got beat, and he doesn't take a lot of key snaps because of Tebow, he'll have a hard time making it back into the top-5.

- Booty (USC) was 12-25 for 148 yards with 2 TDs and a brutal pick- that let ASU tie the game late in the 3rd quarter. He's not in the top-10, and that's 4 straight games with at least 1 pick.

- Nate Longshore (Cal) was 17-31 for 176 with 0 TDs, a 1-yard rushing TD, and 2 picks in their win over Wash. St. Now 17th in passing efficiency, and still unknown to many nationally.

- Chase Daniel (Missouri) - Was 21-29 for 295 yards with 1 TD pass and 0 picks. Ran 10 for 33. He's 28th in passing efficiency, and the loss to Texas A&M will doom his chances.

- Ray Rice (Rutgers) had 21 carries for 93 yards and 0 TD's in a win over Navy.

- DeSean Jackson (Cal) had 3 catches for 67 yards and 0 TDs, and 1 punt return for 3 yards. He has 582 yards receiving for 8 TDs and 2 punt returns for TDs on the year.

Fringe candidates who helped themselves this week:

- Tyler Palko (Pitt) - Once again leads the nation in passing efficiency. Palko was 11-15 for 172 with 2 TDs and no picks. Pitt ends the season hosting West Virginia and Louisville. A pair of wins would give Palko a late boost.

- Colt Brennan (Hawaii) - Leads the nation with 2271 passing yards and 23 TD passes (5 picks). Was 32-39 for 409 yards with 5 TDs and 0 interceptions as Hawaii bombed Fresno St. Unfortunatey for Brennan, most of the voters never see any of his games.

- P.J. Hill (Wisconsin) - Had 25 carries for 164 yards and 2 TDs as Wiscy blew out Minnesota 48-12. Has 1011 rushing yards (second to Wolfe) and 11 TDs on the ground.

- Ian Johnson (Boise St.) - EDIT - had 192 yards and 4 TDs on 27 carries on Sunday night. They don't play anybody that will garner much attention the rest of the way.

Other fringe candidates:

My vote as of today:

1. Troy Smith
2. Steve Slaton
3. Calvin Johnson
4. Eric Ainge
5. Garrett Wolfe
6. Ray Rice
7. Mike Hart
8. Tyler Palko
9. Colt Brennan
10. Nate Longshore
11. Brady Quinn
12. Mario Manningham

Sorry, but injuries cost you any chance you had:

Adrian Peterson
Brian Brohm
Michael Bush
Dwayne Jarrett
 
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BB73, one minor correction, depending on how you define this week (weekend stats or weeks separated by the polls)... Boise St. is playing tonight and through 20 minutes of the game Ian Johnson has all 3 Boise St. TD's. He's not a serious threat to the Heisman race but does put up large numbers. Boise St. may go undefeated this year but he won't get much/any publicity because of the caliber of competition Boise St. plays.
 
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Here's a game I want to see....

bkochmc;634616; said:
BB73, one minor correction, depending on how you define this week (weekend stats or weeks separated by the polls)... Boise St. is playing tonight and through 20 minutes of the game Ian Johnson has all 3 Boise St. TD's. He's not a serious threat to the Heisman race but does put up large numbers. Boise St. may go undefeated this year but he won't get much/any publicity because of the caliber of competition Boise St. plays.
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Maybe if Boise State goes undefeated, somehow, someway, they sneak into the BCS and get matched up with Notre Dame. Both teams could combine for 120 points and over 1000 yards of offense. That would be the Playstation Game of the bowl year. Oh well.

As for the Heisman, with Peterson's injury, the Heisman is Troy Smith's to lose.
 
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bkochmc;634616; said:
BB73, one minor correction, depending on how you define this week (weekend stats or weeks separated by the polls)... Boise St. is playing tonight and through 20 minutes of the game Ian Johnson has all 3 Boise St. TD's. He's not a serious threat to the Heisman race but does put up large numbers. Boise St. may go undefeated this year but he won't get much/any publicity because of the caliber of competition Boise St. plays.
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I realized I had omitted him when I saw the game on tonight. Thanks, I've updated his stats now.
 
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Heisman watch

October 16, 2006
ERIK AINGE
Tennessee, junior QB
With Garrett Wolfe down and Adrian Peterson (collarbone) out, it's hard to find challengers to runaway leader Troy Smith. Like Brady Quinn, Ainge has high-profile potential in case Smith stumbles. And by not playing Saturday, he didn't do anything to hurt his chances.
GARRETT WOLFE
NIU, senior RB
A long shot, Wolfe is now an even longer shot after being held to 25 yards at Western Michigan. On the bright side, if he gets hot, he can still earn a trip to New York, which was his most likely scenario anyway.
1 Troy Smith, Ohio State, senior QB
2 Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, senior QB
3 Erik Ainge, Tennessee, junior QB
 
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Chasing Heisman


Monday, October 16, 2006

Plain Dealer reporter Doug Lesmerises breaks down the performances of leading Heisman Trophy candidates and looks ahead to their next games.

1. (1) Troy Smith, Ohio State
QB
Odds: 1-1
Odds: vs. Indiana
Comment: With Adrian Peterson's injury, the Heisman is all but his if the Buckeyes keep winning.

2. (6) Steve Slaton, West Virginia
RB
Odds: 8-1
Odds: at Connecticut
Comment: Ran for 178 yards and two scores Saturday, but QB Pat White ran for 247 yards and four scores, so who's the best Mountaineer candidate?

3. (3) Mike Hart, Michigan
RB
Odds: 9-1
Odds: vs. Iowa
Comment: Make no mistake, he, not QB Chad Henne, is the Wolverines' true Heisman option.

4. (5) Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
QB
Odds: 10-1
Odds: vs. UCLA
Comment: Might be the only candidate with a realistic shot at Smith, but only if Ohio State falters as a team.

5. (off) Calvin Johnson, Ga. Tech
WR
Odds: 15-1
Odds: at Clemson
Comment: Had a bye this week, but in a thinning field, he creates the type of high lights that will get him noticed.

6. (2) Garrett Wolfe, N. Illinois
RB
Odds: 20-1
Odds: vs. Temple
Comment: Only 25 rushing yards in loss to Western Michigan - MAC Heisman candidates can't afford lousy games.

7. (4) Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
RB
Odds: 1000-1
Odds: done
Comment: Ran for 183 yards Saturday but season ended with a broken collar bone, just when he was making his case.

Dropped out: (7) Erik Ainge, Tennessee QB.
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SI Heisman Watch...
Here's the top 5

Leading man
Peterson, Wolfe's setbacks boost Smith's campaign

Now that the BCS has gotten its junior varsity unveiling out of the way, it's time to release the real list that college football fans have been awaiting. (That's a joke folks. Please hold all e-mails.) And, just as with the BCS standings, Ohio State sits atop this list as well. Buckeyes quarterback Troy Smith has a Schlage hold on the top spot, especially after Saturday when his biggest challenger, Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson, was lost for the season with a broken collarbone and Smith's next closest challenger, Northern Illinois's Garrett Wolfe, was stuffed by Western Michigan. Considering the events of Saturday, Smith not only leads the chase for the stiff-arm statue at the halfway point, he's holding a two-touchdown advantage.

1. Troy Smith, Ohio State, QB, Sr.
Last week: 15-of-22 passing, 234 yards, 2 TDs; 3 rushes, 10 yards in a 38-7 victory at Michigan State
Season: 116-of-170 passing, 1,495 yards, 17 TDs, 2 INTs; 32 rushes, 88 yards
Heisman-o-meter: Smith coolly led the Buckeyes offense once again, punctuated by the highlight reel-worthy, 7-yard touchdown pass to Brian Robiskie during which Smith somehow saw his receiver downfield while bobbing and weaving for his life. Afterward receiver Anthony Gonzalez said of Smith: "He does some unbelievable things."
Up next: Saturday vs. Indiana

2. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma, RB, Jr.
Last week: 26 rushes, 183 yards, 2 TDs; 3 receptions, 45 yards in a 34-9 victory against Iowa State
Season: 168 rushes, 935 yards, 10 TDs; 8 receptions, 127 yards, 1 TD; 7 kickoff returns, 162 yards
Heisman-o-meter: Entering Saturday, the Watchman had Peterson in Smith's area code (seriously, have you ever seen a more talented back run harder than Peterson?) and had not ruled out making AD No. 1 at some point this season, but his season-ending injury killed that. Some astute readers may even wonder why I still rank him. I after all yanked Louisville's Michael Bush off the list after he was lost for the year. Honestly, I'm breaking my own rules here because I want the readers to know where I would rank Peterson if the season ended today. Next week thought it's adios, AD.
Up next: Saturday vs. Colorado

3. Steve Slaton, West Virginia, RB, Soph.
Last week: 20 rushes, 163 yards, 1 TD in a 41-17 victory against Syracuse
Season: 132 rushes, 931 yards, 8 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: Though quarterback Pat White had the more prolific day (247 rushing yards, 4 TDs), some of White's numbers could be credited to Slaton. On several option plays and two of White's touchdown runs, the threat of the ball going to Slaton alone opened gaping holes for White to turn upfield. With Peterson's injury, Slaton becomes Smith's biggest challenger.
Up next: Friday at Connecticut

4. Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois, RB, Sr.
Last week: 18 rushes, 25 yards; 5 receptions, 31 yards in a 16-14 loss at Western Michigan
Season: 174 rushes, 1,368 yards, 13 TDs; 18 receptions, 193 yards, 1 TD
Heisman-o-meter: The Cinderella contender was swarmed by the nation's No. 23 rush defense every time he got the ball, and he didn't get it much. Western Michigan controlled the clock and allowed the Huskies just 14 first-half plays. When Wolfe did finally break one -- around left end early in the fourth quarter -- it was nullified by a holding penalty. He had little margin for error entering this game; He has absolutely none now.
Up next: Saturday vs. Temple

5. Mike Hart, Michigan, RB, Jr.
Last week: 26 rushes, 112 yards, 1 TD in a 17-10 victory at Penn State
Season: 183 rushes, 906 yards, 6 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: Is there a player more appropriately named than Hart? The undersized back showed off his trademark toughness in the second half against Penn State, grinding out 84 yards on 16 carries. (The Nittany Lions had allowed only one player to rush for more than 68 yards in a game this season.) His 20-yard rumble down to the Penn State 1-yard line at the end of the third quarter was a thing of beauty.
Up next: Saturday vs. Iowa
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Leading man

Peterson, Wolfe's setbacks boost Smith's campaign

Posted: Monday October 16, 2006 12:15AM; Updated: Monday October 16, 2006 12:16AM



Now that the BCS has gotten its junior varsity unveiling out of the way, it's time to release the real list that college football fans have been awaiting. (That's a joke folks. Please hold all e-mails.) And, just as with the BCS standings, Ohio State sits atop this list as well. Buckeyes quarterback Troy Smith has a Schlage hold on the top spot, especially after Saturday when his biggest challenger, Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson, was lost for the season with a broken collarbone and Smith's next closest challenger, Northern Illinois's Garrett Wolfe, was stuffed by Western Michigan. Considering the events of Saturday, Smith not only leads the chase for the stiff-arm statue at the halfway point, he's holding a two-touchdown advantage.
1. Troy Smith, Ohio State, QB, Sr.

Last week: 15-of-22 passing, 234 yards, 2 TDs; 3 rushes, 10 yards in a 38-7 victory at Michigan State
Season: 116-of-170 passing, 1,495 yards, 17 TDs, 2 INTs; 32 rushes, 88 yards
Heisman-o-meter: Smith coolly led the Buckeyes offense once again, punctuated by the highlight reel-worthy, 7-yard touchdown pass to Brian Robiskie during which Smith somehow saw his receiver downfield while bobbing and weaving for his life. Afterward receiver Anthony Gonzalez said of Smith: "He does some unbelievable things."
Up next: Saturday vs. Indiana
2. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma, RB, Jr.

Last week: 26 rushes, 183 yards, 2 TDs; 3 receptions, 45 yards in a 34-9 victory against Iowa State
Season: 168 rushes, 935 yards, 10 TDs; 8 receptions, 127 yards, 1 TD; 7 kickoff returns, 162 yards
Heisman-o-meter: Entering Saturday, the Watchman had Peterson in Smith's area code (seriously, have you ever seen a more talented back run harder than Peterson?) and had not ruled out making AD No. 1 at some point this season, but his season-ending injury killed that. Some astute readers may even wonder why I still rank him. I after all yanked Louisville's Michael Bush off the list after he was lost for the year. Honestly, I'm breaking my own rules here because I want the readers to know where I would rank Peterson if the season ended today. Next week thought it's adios, AD.
Up next: Saturday vs. Colorado
3. Steve Slaton, West Virginia, RB, Soph.

Last week: 20 rushes, 163 yards, 1 TD in a 41-17 victory against Syracuse
Season: 132 rushes, 931 yards, 8 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: Though quarterback Pat White had the more prolific day (247 rushing yards, 4 TDs), some of White's numbers could be credited to Slaton. On several option plays and two of White's touchdown runs, the threat of the ball going to Slaton alone opened gaping holes for White to turn upfield. With Peterson's injury, Slaton becomes Smith's biggest challenger.
Up next: Friday at Connecticut
4. Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois, RB, Sr.

Last week: 18 rushes, 25 yards; 5 receptions, 31 yards in a 16-14 loss at Western Michigan
Season: 174 rushes, 1,368 yards, 13 TDs; 18 receptions, 193 yards, 1 TD
Heisman-o-meter: The Cinderella contender was swarmed by the nation's No. 23 rush defense every time he got the ball, and he didn't get it much. Western Michigan controlled the clock and allowed the Huskies just 14 first-half plays. When Wolfe did finally break one -- around left end early in the fourth quarter -- it was nullified by a holding penalty. He had little margin for error entering this game; He has absolutely none now.
Up next: Saturday vs. Temple
5. Mike Hart, Michigan, RB, Jr.

Last week: 26 rushes, 112 yards, 1 TD in a 17-10 victory at Penn State
Season: 183 rushes, 906 yards, 6 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: Is there a player more appropriately named than Hart? The undersized back showed off his trademark toughness in the second half against Penn State, grinding out 84 yards on 16 carries. (The Nittany Lions had allowed only one player to rush for more than 68 yards in a game this season.) His 20-yard rumble down to the Penn State 1-yard line at the end of the third quarter was a thing of beauty.
Up next: Saturday vs. Iowa
6. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech, WR, Jr.


Last week: Idle
Season: 35 receptions, 559 yards, 8 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: There has never been any doubt over Johnson's ability. The concern was whether he would get the ball enough to showcase his talent. His quarterback, Reggie Ball, is completing just 51.9 percent of his passes this year; Just 12 of the top 100 quarterbacks have a lower completion percentage.
Up next: Saturday at No. 12 Clemson
7. Chad Henne, Michigan, QB, Jr.

Last week: 15-of-30 passing, 196 yards, 1 TD in a 17-10 victory at Penn State
Season: 95-of-159 passing, 1,299 yards, 14 TDs, 4 INTs
Heisman-o-meter: The Watchman has always thought that Hart, not Henne, was the soul of the Wolverines, but it's time to start recognizing Henne's contributions. Since Michigan has been successful running the ball, Henne doesn't have the statistical resume of other contenders, but on Saturday night it was Henne who had the offense moving until Hart could get his legs going. And is there anyone who throws a prettier ball than Henne?
Up next: Saturday vs. Iowa
8. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, QB, Sr.

Last week: Idle
Season: 148-of-233 passing, 1,634 yards, 16 TDs, 4 INTs
Heisman-o-meter: The Watchman did not think that the preseason favorite would be this low when the first ranking came out, but Georgia Tech made him look average, and Michigan made him look silly, and he's been fighting an uphill battle ever since. His numbers are as good as any quarterback in consideration, but numbers alone will not earn him the Heisman.
Up next: Saturday vs. UCLA
9. Erik Ainge, Tennessee, QB, Jr.

Last week: Idle
Season: 118-of-171 passing, 1,657 yards, 14 TDs; 5 INTs
Heisman-o-meter: Ainge returned to the list last week after lighting up Georgia. But after the Bulldogs lost Saturday to Vanderbilt, one may question exactly how good Ainge's performance against the boys from Athens was. The Watchman however is willing to stick with Ainge who could be the Quinn (Most Improved Player) of 2006.
Up next: Saturday vs. Alabama
10. P.J. Hill, Wisconsin, RB, Fr.

Last week: 25 rushes, 164 yards, 2 TDs in a 48-12 victory against Minnesota
Season: 173 rushes, 1,011 yards, 11 TDs; 13 receptions, 155 yards, 1 TD
Heisman-o-meter: If you haven't yet seen Hill run, er, I mean rumble, do yourself a favor and take the time. This 5-foot-11, 242-pounder has amazing quickness for a running back that has flattened many a defender. On Saturday he rushed for at least 100 yards for the sixth time in seven games this year. Afterward tight end Andy Crooks said about his teammate, "P.J Hill is a beast." Up next: Saturday at Purdue.
 
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