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2006 Heisman Discussion (merged all)

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In the bag?

OSU's Smith may have already locked up the Heisman


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I had lunch in Los Angleles earlier this week with none other than the Heisman Pundit, the brain behind the Heismandments and the man who handicaps the race each year for college football's "most outstanding" player on his indispensable HeismanPundit.com.
The Pundit prefers to remain nameless, although I can tell you that he used to work at Southern California, and believes the Trojans offensive doldrums are the manifestation of a kind of time-delayed hangover resulting from the departure of Norm Chow.
We met at the Starbucks just off the USC campus. HP had an Odwalla orange juice and a chicken sandwich. I went with my usual tall cappuccino, semi-dry. It wasn't like getting an audience with the Dalai Lama, but it was enlightening.
The Pundit awarded this year's September Heisman -- given to the best player through the first month of the season -- to Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith. That sounds swell, until he fills me in on the background of the award. Previous winners of the September Heisman have been USC's Matt Leinart (last season), Purdue's Kyle Orton ('04), Michigan's Chris Perry ('03) and Iowa State's Seneca Wallace ('02). No winner of the September Heisman Interim Trophy -- that's my more formal name for it; the acronym hints at its worth -- has ever gone on to win the real door jamb.
Smith is looking like the exception. Noting that the savvy senior has passed for 1,495 yards, 17 touchdowns and just two interceptions, and has a passing efficiency rating of 172.8, the Pundit is prepared to hand him the award today: "Smith is the quarterback on the No. 1 team and as long as the Buckeyes remain undefeated, he will be your next Heisman winner.
What has to happen for someone else -- say, Notre Dame's Brady Quinn -- to have a chance? First of all, says HP, Smith needs to stink up the joint in a bad loss to Michigan on Nov. 18. It isn't enough that Quinn keep putting up big numbers in Fighting Irish victories. The Man from Dublin (Ohio) needs help: "Notre Dame needs for USC to keep winning in order to set up a hugely-hyped matchup on Nov. 25, [in which] Quinn must produce a masterful performance in a Notre Dame win over USC," says HP.
What sublime reversal that would be for Domer Nation: a Notre Dame player using the Trojans as a springboard for his Heisman aspirations, rather than the other way around.
What I don't like about the handicapping for this trophy is the hurry in which the Pundit and his ilk seem to be to kick certain candidates off Heisman Island (coinage: SI.com's Gene Menez); the urgency they feel to declare candidacies DOA.
These are the people telling me I'm supposed to forget about Garrett Wolfe, now, just because the Northern Illinois Comet was held to 25 yards on 18 carries by Western Michigan. So what if he had a bad game. The guy still leads the nation with 195 rushing yards per game. West Virginia's Steve Slaton, in second place, is 40 yards back.
"OK, OK," said the Pundit, relenting slightly. "Northern Illinois has Temple this weekend. If Wolfe goes for 400 against the Owls, he's back in the mix."
Piece of cake, right, Garrett? Don't thank me for salvaging your Heisman hopes, kid. Just get a good night's sleep on Friday.
What about Calvin Johnson? I'd just returned from Atlanta, where I'd spent time with Johnson, Georgia Tech's extraterrestrial wide receiver. Frankly, I can't recall when I've seen a playmaker like this guy, who caught 21 passes for 413 yards and five touchdowns in his last three games.
At 6-foot-4, 235 pounds, Johnson is tight-end sized. But he's run the 40 in 4.38, and has a 45-inch vertical. (Although, as I point out in my story on him this week, his teammates suspect he can go higher: the measuring contraption they have at Tech only goes up to 45. Left tackle Andrew Gardner thinks Calvin's true vertical is closer to 47.)
Think that will turn some heads at the NFL combine? I talked to one NFL scout whose director had discussed the possibility of Johnson being the No. 1 pick in this spring's draft. Only twice in the history of the draft has a wideout been selected first (Keyshawn Johnson in 1996; Irving Fryar in '84). Traditionally, teams use the primo pick on a quarterback, or a guy who can dramatically improve the defense, right away. A wide receiver is considered a "luxury" pick, said the scout. The thinking among most general managers is that you can win Super Bowls with wideouts taken in lower rounds -- or, at the least, from lower in the first round. He pointed to the cautionary example of the Detroit Lions, who've used first-round picks to select wideouts in every draft from 2003-05, "and they're not winning."
Two guys who could reasonably be selected before Johnson: Adrian Peterson and Quinn. The day after I spoke to that scout, Peterson, Oklahoma's matchless running back, broke his clavicle against Iowa State. For the third straight season, A.D. has suffered a significant injury. While there's simply no question that so vast a talent will have an immediate impact in the NFL, it's possible that his durability is now enough of a question mark to knock him out of the top spot. Johnson moves up.
Does he move up in Heisman contention?
I say yes, but am contradicted by the Pundit, who comes at me with the first of his ten Heismandments: "The winner of the Heisman must be a quarterback, a running back or a multi-threat athlete."
"The sad fact," he elaborates on his website, "is that the Heisman DOES discriminate. The best player in the country may well be a tight end. But the award is handed out by a select group of voters and they have without fail awarded the trophy to a quarterback, a running back or a multi-threat athlete."
So you're saying Johnson can't win because he doesn't return kicks? I ask HP. He nods sadly, with finality.
My take: as rock crushes scissors, Johnson's outrageous abilities negate this particular Heismandment. See if you don't agree. Go to RamblinWreck.com, click on the picture of No. 21 in the upper right hand corner. Check out the video montage of circus catches by Johnson, whose leaping, diving, one-handed snags fill us with wonderment, and, after awhile, beg the question: In the three years Johnson and Reggie Ball have played together, has Ballever hit the guy in stride? Does he have any routine catches.
"Of course he does," Yellow Jackets head coach Chan Gailey told me when I posed the question. "They don't put those catches with the highlights."
Chan's the head man, so I'm taking his word for it.
Quick take on last Saturday's head stomping, helmet-swinging, five-minute free-for-all between FIU and Miami in the Orange Bowl (or, as my old friend Lamar Thomas refers to it, "the OB" -- as in "You don't come into the OB playing that stuff ... talking noise like that. You'll get your butt kicked. I was about to go down the elevator and get into that thing.''
So much for that color commentary gig. (Thomas was fired by Comcast Sports Southeast the following Monday.)
After handing down too-lenient punishments the first time around, both schools got it right. Two Florida International players have been kicked off the team; 16 of their teammates will serve indefinite suspensions. Anthony Reddick, the Miami safety who waded into the fray swinging his helmet as if it were a Scottish mace and he was re-enacting the climactic battle scene from Braveheart, saw his one-game suspension beefed up to "indefinite." A dozen of his 'Cane brethren will miss Saturday's game at Duke, and, on top of that, be required to perform community service.
I like the point made by my colleague, Stewart Mandel, who noted that nearly as stunning as the melee has been the response to it: "prominent media figures calling for Miami to receive the death penalty."
Make no mistake, this fight was manna for columnists and bloviators on sports talk radio and TV. Cancel the season! Some demanded. Cancel the program! Suggested others.
Take a few deep, cleansing breaths, guys. Take a Xanax. What we saw was really, really bad. But if you're going to bring down the death penalty on a program, maybe it would be best to think it through. Listen to thoughtful sportswriter (and Miami alumna) Michelle Kaufman: "Did these same journalists call for the dismantling of the South Carolina and Clemson programs when they had their ugly brawl in 2004? Have they called for the head of Florida State's Bobby Bowden, who in the past five years has had players arrested for felony grand theft, drunk driving and soliciting sex from an undercover police officer?
Did they care that former University of Cincinnati basketball coach Bob Huggins went years with a zero percent graduation rate?"
Kaufman also wonders: Where is the outrage over the Hullaballoo in Hanover? Hours before Hurricanes captain Brandon Meriweather could be seen stomping various supine Golden Panthers, Dartmouth and Holy Cross mixed it up on Memorial Field. The Big Green took exception to the Crusaders, who desecrated the midfield D after winning in overtime, 24-21.
By all accounts, this I-AA fracas had less staying power than the melee in Miami, but it was still plenty ugly, with players "thrown to the ground and kicked," according to the AP.
Whether an athlete joins a brawl, or tries to restrain his teammates from doing so, says much about him. How we respond to such spectacles says much about us. Why should a free-for-all comprised of predominantly African American males disturb us so much more deeply than an altercation between a similar number of white boys from the 'burbs?
What's up with our different responses?
Reaction No. 1: "They should arrest those kids and abolish the program. That's a disgrace."
Reaction No. 2: "Don't worry honey -- they're wearing so much padding they can't hurt each other. Probably just blowing off steam before midterms."
I don't know the answer. Like Reggie Ball, I'm just throwin' it out there.
 
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. Listen to thoughtful sportswriter (and Miami alumna) Michelle Kaufman: "Did these same journalists call for the dismantling of the South Carolina and Clemson programs when they had their ugly brawl in 2004? Have they called for the head of Florida State's Bobby Bowden, who in the past five years has had players arrested for felony grand theft, drunk driving and soliciting sex from an undercover police officer?
Did they care that former University of Cincinnati basketball coach Bob Huggins went years with a zero percent graduation rate?"
Kaufman also wonders: Where is the outrage over the Hullaballoo in Hanover? Hours before Hurricanes captain Brandon Meriweather could be seen stomping various supine Golden Panthers, Dartmouth and Holy Cross mixed it up on Memorial Field. The Big Green took exception to the Crusaders, who desecrated the midfield D after winning in overtime, 24-21.
By all accounts, this I-AA fracas had less staying power than the melee in Miami, but it was still plenty ugly, with players "thrown to the ground and kicked," according to the AP.
Whether an athlete joins a brawl, or tries to restrain his teammates from doing so, says much about him. How we respond to such spectacles says much about us. Why should a free-for-all comprised of predominantly African American males disturb us so much more deeply than an altercation between a similar number of white boys from the 'burbs?
What's up with our different responses?
Reaction No. 1: "They should arrest those kids and abolish the program. That's a disgrace."
Reaction No. 2: "Don't worry honey -- they're wearing so much padding they can't hurt each other. Probably just blowing off steam before midterms."
I don't know the answer. Like Reggie Ball, I'm just throwin' it out there.

Nice combo of trying to equate the Miami situation with anything else negative that happens in CFB and pulling the race card. Now that I think about it the U players were clearly the victims here, lets move on to something else before she preys on our white guilt some more. :shake:

She's should be a strategist for politicians not a sportswriter.
 
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Voters agree: Smith is clear Heisman leader

In a poll this week, the OSU QB got all first-place votes, with no clear No. 2 choice.


By Doug Harris
Staff Writer

Friday, October 20, 2006

COLUMBUS ? The Heisman Trophy ballots haven't even been mailed out yet, and the winner won't be announced until Dec. 9. But as far as some voters are concerned, Troy Smith can start crafting his victory speech.
Or as Herb Gould of the Chicago Sun-Times put it when asked about the Ohio State football star: "Strike the pose."
With other candidates being eliminated either through injury or costly subpar outings, Smith could be on the verge of winning in one of the biggest landslides in the Heisman's 71-year history.
"(Oklahoma's) Adrian Peterson gets hurt. (Northern Illinois') Garrett Wolfe has a bad game. They were two and three behind Smith," Gould said. "I don't know if there IS a two and three anymore."
Gould is not alone in his opinion. In this week's Scripps Howard News Service Heisman poll, Smith received all 10 first-place votes.
To Doug Segrest of the Birmingham News, the OSU quarterback is the clear-cut choice because he's by far the most valuable player on a dominant team.
"His numbers aren't overwhelming," Segrest said. "But you watch him for a few series, and he turns disaster into something great for Ohio State."
Smith should have a chance to pad his numbers against the bottom tier of the Big Ten the next four weeks. But a loss to Michigan might allow others to enter the race.
Asked if Smith needs a victory over the Wolverines to lock up the award, B.G. Brooks of the Rocky Mountain News said: "I think he does. That's going to be a deciding game on a lot of fronts."
But Gould disagreed.
"When a team loses, people go crazy and think that takes him out of it," he said. "But my question is, 'Who else is waiting in the wings?' "
Smith, who dodges the Heisman hype like pass rushers, took no pleasure in the misfortunes of his main competitors.
"The Adrian Peterson (injury) was a terrible situation," he said. "He's one of my friends in college football, and I hate to see someone end their season and possibly their career on that note. And Garrett Wolfe will bounce back ? there's no doubt in my mind.
"As far as the trophy goes, I try not to think about that. I stay wrapped up in what my team is doing and remember that it's because of my team that I'm even in this situation."
 
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Tucson, Arizona | Published: 10.20.2006

Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State
The Buckeyes continue to roll and ? surprise ? Troy Smith digs his Heisman-front-runner trench a little deeper. Last week, he went 15 of 22 for 234 yards and two touchdown passes in a blowout win over Michigan State.
● On the season, he is 116 for 170 for 1,495 yards passing, 17 touchdowns, two interceptions and a passer rating of 172.75 (sixth nationally).
Next game: Saturday against Indiana.


Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
With Adrian Peterson out for the season after a collarbone injury, and with Northern Illinois mighty mite Garrett Wolfe slowing down lately, the Mountaineer is the only running back within striking distance. He's a good one, too. He ran for 163 yards and a touchdown on 20 carries last week against Syracuse.
● On the season: 155.2 yards per game, 7.05 yards per carry, 8 rushing TDs.
Next game: Today at Connecticut


Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
He's back on the radar and has UCLA and USC, among others, to build his case.
● On the season: 148 for 233 for 1,634 yards passing, 16 TDs, four interceptions.
Next game: Saturday against UCLA

Players to watch: Garrett Wolfe, RB, Northern Illinois; Chris Leak, QB, Florida; Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC; Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn; Ted Ginn, Jr., WR, Ohio State.
? Scripps Howard News Service
 
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Heisman Watch: A clear No. 1By Terry Bowden, Yahoo! Sports

October 19, 2006

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/expertsarchive?author=Terry+Bowdenhttp://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/It's the midpoint of the regular season, and it's time to revisit the Heisman Watch. Three of the top five players weren't even in my preseason top 10, and three of my preseason top six candidates (Adrian Peterson, Chris Leak and Pat White) aren't even in the top 10 any more.
Will the second half of the season bring a similar shakeup? We'll see. ?


1. Troy Smith - Sr., QB, Ohio StatePreseason rank: 3
Last week: 15-of-22 (68%), 234 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT in 38-7 win over Mich. St.
Season totals: 124 rating, 116-of-170 (68%), 1495 yds, 17 TD, 2 INT
Next: Indiana, 12 ET (ESPNU)

Smith is my clear No. 1. He is the best player on the nation?s best team, and week in and week out he delivers a great performance. There are a lot of great players on the Buckeyes including Ted Ginn Jr. (read on), but Smith definitely is the guy who makes the Buckeyes go.
He is ranked sixth in the nation in passing efficiency, and the only quarterback on my Heisman Watch list ahead of him is Pittsburgh?s Tyler Palko. I especially like his touchdown to interception ratio.

2. Brady Quinn - Sr., QB, Notre DamePreseason rank: 1
Last week: Idle
Season totals: 100 rating, 148-of-233 (64%), 1634 yds, 16 TD, 4 INT
Next: UCLA, 2:30 ET (NBC)
I still think there is something about being the quarterback at Notre Dame and the possible No. 1 guy taken in the NFL draft that makes Quinn a compelling Heisman candidate. Although Quinn is only 31st in passing efficiency, he is putting up some very good numbers.
The Fighting Irish have a good chance of running the table going into their final game (against USC), and that would put Quinn in the limelight at the right time.

3. Steve Slaton - Soph., RB, West VirginiaNot ranked in preseason
Last week: 20 rushes, 163 yds, 1 TD in 41-17 win at Syracuse
Season totals: 132 rushes, 931 yds (
3rd in nation in yds/gm), 8 TD
Next: at Connecticut, Fri 8 ET (ESPN)
I have this sneaky feeling that West Virginia is going to make it to the national championship game, and someone on the team is going to get most of the credit. Although quarterback Pat White upstaged Slaton last week with 247 rushing yards, Slaton still managed to pick up 163 on the ground.
The WVU offense will continue to allow Slaton to put up some phenomenal numbers, and voters will be forced to give him his due.

4. Garrett Wolfe - Sr., RB, Northern IllinoisNot ranked in preseason
Last week: 18 rushes, 25 yds in 16-14 loss at Western Michigan
Season totals: 174 rushes (
2nd in nation), 1368 yds (leads nation), 13 TD (4th in nation)
Next: vs. Temple, 3:05 ET (CSN Chicago)
Anytime someone does something better than everybody else, you have to give him credit. I have running backs Mike Hart, Marshawn Lynch and of course Slaton on my Heisman Watch list, and Wolfe has better numbers than all of them.
He was shut down this past week by Western Michigan for 25 yards on 18 carries, but he still is averaging 40 more yards rushing per game than the next closest back (Adrian Peterson, who is out for the rest of the regular season). If Wolfe keeps up that average, the end result will be hard to ignore.

5. Mike Hart - Soph., RB, MichiganNot ranked in preseason
Last week: 26 rushes, 112 yds, 1 TD in 17-10 win at Penn State
Season totals: 183 rushes (
leads nation), 906 yds, 6 TD
Next: vs. Iowa, 3:30 ET (ABC split national)
I broadcasted Michigan's game against Wisconsin and got an up close and personal look at Hart. I am 5-foot-6 and he isn?t much taller than me, but he is a giant on the field. The Michigan offense can hurt you in a lot of ways ? especially if Mario Manningham gets back at wideout ? but it all starts with the zone running play. Hart can find the crack in a defense as good as anybody, and when he does he makes you pay for it.
Lloyd Carr told me the other day that the Wolverines would like to reduce their diminutive back's carries, but week after week Hart totes the skin about 30 times a game. He forces the safeties down into the box and opens up the single-covered deep ball. On top of this, the Wolverine defense is better than the offense, and I?m not convinced anyone, including Ohio State, can beat them this year.

6. Ted Ginn Jr. - Jr., WR/KR/PR, Ohio StatePreseason rank: 4
Last week: 3 rec, 57 yds, 60-yd punt return TD in 38-7 win over Mich. St.
Season totals: 36 rec, 517 yds, 6 TD; 13.3 yds/PR (w/ TD), 15.9 yds/KR
Next: Indiana, 12 ET (ESPNU)
I don?t think Ginn can win the Heisman this year because Troy Smith is running the same offense, but ask me to pick the most exciting player in the country and I will select Ginn. If you don?t believe me, find his highlight reel online. It will blow you away.
If Ohio State makes it to the national championship game, I guarantee you Ginn will be wearing a tux in New York City as a Heisman finalist.

7. Marshawn Lynch - Jr., RB, CaliforniaPreseason rank: 10
Last week: 25 rushes, 152 yds, 2 TD in 21-3 win at Wash. St.
Season totals: 111 rush, 757 yds, 6 TD, plus 3 rec TD
Next: Washington, 3:30 ET (FSN)
Someone has to be on the Heisman Watch from the West Coast, and Lynch looks like the best candidate. He had a bum ankle coming into last weekend but delivered big against Washington with 152 yards and two touchdowns.
California has the best chance to dethrone USC as the Pac-10 champion, and if the Bears do I don?t know if there will be a better one-loss team.

8. Calvin Johnson - Jr., WR, Georgia TechNot ranked in preseason
Last week: Idle
Season totals: 35 rec, 559 yds, 8 TD (
T-3rd in nation)
Next: at Clemson, 7:45 ET (ESPN)
In the back of my mind I want to think that the Heisman Trophy really is about the best player in college football. If it is, Johnson needs some consideration. This guy is a difference maker, and no receiver delivers the big play better than Johnson.
If he has a huge game against my brother?s Clemson Tigers this weekend and puts up some big numbers and a few video highlight clips, he may stir up some excitement among the Heisman voters.

9. Brian Brohm - Jr., QB, LouisvillePreseason rank: 8
Last week: 20-of-37 (54%), 324 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT in 23-17 win over Cincinnati
Season totals: 95 rating, 65-of-111 (59%), 1066 yds, 4 TD, 2 INT
Next: at Syracuse, 12 ET (ESPN regional)
I still am not ready to count out the Cardinals from the national championship. And although Brohm had been injured with a bad thumb, he is back and ready to lead Louisville there.
In spite of all the props I have given to West Virginia, if Louisville beats the Mountaineers on Nov. 2 Brohm will jump in the Heisman race.

10. Tyler Palko - Jr., QB, PittsburghNot ranked in preseason
Last week: 11-of-15 (73%), 172 yds, 2 TD in 52-7 win at UCF
Season totals: 189 rating (leads nation), 114-of-161 (71%), 1661 yds, 17 TD, 3 INT
Next: Rutgers, 5:45 ET (ESPN2)
Pittsburgh is having a heck of a season and will have something to say about the Big East title. The big reason for their resurgence is the play of Palko, who leads the nation in passing efficiency.
While Brady Quinn may be the best quarterback prospect in the next NFL draft, if there is one guy who could prove that wrong, it is Palko.
Terry Bowden is Yahoo! Sports' college football analyst. Send Terry a question or comment for potential use in a future column.
 
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For each of those last two lists to have Brady Quinn in the top 3, and not to mention Eric Ainge in their top 8 or Top 10, is simply appalling.
 
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OSU QB Heisman Leader



At the beginning of this college football season, many thought Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn would be the runaway winner of the Heisman Trophy.

It was an easy pick because Quinn set Notre Dame singleseason records for attempts, completions, yards, yards per game and touchdown passes in 2005, his first under new coach Charlie Weiss. It seemed only natural that Quinn's numbers would be even better in year two.

Ledger writers picked six guys we thought would be contenders -- Quinn, Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson, Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith, California running back Marshawn Lynch, Ohio State wide receiver/kick returner Ted Ginn and Florida quarterback Chris Leak.

Quinn was the unquestioned leader of that group heading into the season.

Then Michigan changed all of that. The Wolverines caught Notre Dame early and knocked the luster off the Golden Domers.

Now, Quinn is not out of the race. But there is a new Heisman Trophy leader at the halfway mark of the season.

The honor goes to Ohio State's Smith.

Smith is nothing but the leader for the No. 1-ranked Buckeyes. His combination of elusiveness, along with his accuracy, have Smith far out in front.

The person who has suffered the most is Oklahoma's Peterson.

Just as he was getting into a groove, Peterson fractured his collarbone and is expected to miss at least six weeks. He hopes to return if Oklahoma makes it to a bowl game, but his Heisman hopes are finished.

Ginn, one of Smith's targets this year, is having a good season, but not Heisman-worthy.

Once Lynch's Cal Bears were embarrassed by Tennessee in the opener, his shot was gone, too.

Leak is having a good season, but freshman quarterback Tim Tebow was upstaging him even before the Gators lost to Auburn on Saturday.

Michigan has two legitimate candidates now in quarterback Chad Henne and running back Mike Hart.

Michigan is undefeated and both are rolling. Henne has thrown for 1,299, 14 touchdowns and only four interceptions. Hart has 906 yards and six scores.

Henne probably is third in the running, with Hart fourth. Yet, if one of them wants to win the award, someone is going to have to have a huge game leading up to Ohio State, stay undefeated, then have a huge game in a win over Ohio State.

That's not likely to happen.

So Smith is the leader at the halfway point. Smith can likely coast from now until Michigan. Then we'll see whether he is truly worthy.

Rick Brown may be reached at [email protected] or 863-802-7569.
 
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For each of those last two lists to have Brady Quinn in the top 3, and not to mention Eric Ainge in their top 8 or Top 10, is simply appalling.
Face it, everyone besides Smith has either "blown up" or not perfomed up to expectations. Or play for lesser teams. Quinn is lucky in a way because he got his early. So early that because the others having bad days, he is back in the mix because of attrition. It's like there is Smith, and everyone else is in 3rd place. No one is beyond thinking that any of these others can have another bad day.ie. Quinn vs USC. So while the others go up and down in the whirlpool of the heisman race, Troy is just paddling around it in his canoe.
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Just like last week, Smith's strongest competition for the award is still Steve Slaton and the Brady Quinn hype machine. Troy is now 4th in the country in passing efficiency. His 21 TD's are third, and his 21/2 TD/Int ratio is the best in the narion.

Slaton had 128 yards and 1 TD on 19 carries Friday night, and caught 2 passes for 14 yards, but once again was outshone by QB Pat White, who ran for 102 and passed for 156. Slaton's 56-yard TD in the 4th quarter came when the game was out of reach, and most viewers were no longer watching. He needs to have a big day against Louisville in order to get the voters' attention.

Quinn does not belong in the top 5 at this point, but because of the hype machine he must be tracked. He got an 80-yard game-winning last minute drive, after having a mediocre day to that point. He was 27-45 for 304 yards, 2 TDs and no picks (that UCLA held onto). He is now 35th in the nation in passing efficiency, which doesn't even account for the fact that 3 of his turnovers were returned for TDs.

Garrett Wolfe had only 45 yards on 17 carries. Although still the nation's leading rusher, with a fine 7.4 average per carry, his chances to win are now virtually zero, and even a trip to NY is doubtful.

Mike Hart had 31 carries for 126 yards and 2 TDs. He's solid, but 4.8 yards per carry and 8 TDs isn't going to get many Heisman votes.

Mario Manningham missed another game, and those lost opportunities to rack up numbers severely hurt what chances he had.

Chad Henne was 23-33 for 203 with 0 TDs and 1 pick. He's down to 29th in passing efficiency, with only 14 TDs.

Calvin Johnson followed his bye week with a buh-bye week for his Heisman campaign, Zero catches against Clemson. His trip to New York won't be until April, for the NFL Draft.

Eric Ainge of Tennessee follwed his bye week with a zero TD, 3 interception effort in a close game against Alabama. He dropped from 7th to 15th in passing efficiency, and his 14/8 TD/Int ratio will fail to impress voters.

Candidates who helped themselves this week:

- Ray Rice (Rutgers) had 39 carries for 225 yards and 1 TD in a win over Pitt. He's 4th nationally with 1124 rushing yards, with 5.6 ypc and 12 TDs.

- Colt Brennan (Hawaii) - Now leads the nation in both passing efficiency and TD passes (28, with 5 picks). Second in passing yards with 2601, completing almost 73% of his passes. He was 22-31 for 330 yards with 5 TDs and 0 interceptions as Hawaii out-bombed New Mexico St. 49-30. Unfortunately for Brennan, most of the voters never see any of his games.

- Ian Johnson (Boise St.) - Had 192 yards and 4 TDs on 27 carries on Sunday night. He is second in the country with 1181 rushing yards, and leads the nation with 18 TDs. But they don't play anybody that will garner much attention the rest of the way.

- James Davis (Clemson) - Had 21 carries for 216 yards and 2 TDs in a key 31-7 win over Georgia Tech. Lost the highlight battle, however, to teammate C.J. Spiller's pair of electrifying 50 yard TDs. Davis is tied for 7th in rushing yards with 961, has a fine 6.9 average and 16 TDs on the ground.

- P.J. Hill (Wisconsin) - Had 29 carries for 161 yards and 2 TDs, and caught 2 passes for 17 yards as Wiscy downed Purdue 24-3. His 1172 rushing yards are third in the country; he's getting 5.8 ypc and has 13 TDs.

- Marshawn Lynch (Cal) - Gained 150 yards on 21 carries (2 TDs, including the OT game-winner) and caught 4 balls for 53 yards, playing on sprained ankles. His 907 rushing yards rank 10th in the country.

- Chase Daniel (Missouri) - Was 24-31 for 262 yards with 4 TD passes and 0 picks, and ran 13 times for 47 yards. He's 18th in passing efficiency, has more yards and more TDs on less attempts than Brady Quinn, and is a running threat. He needs to have a huge game against Nebraska to get more notice.

- Ted Ginn, Jr. (tOSU) - Caught 5 balls for 72 yards, and threw a 38-yard TD. Has 589 receiving yards (24th nationally), 1 punt return TD and 1 passing TD.


Fringe candidates who didn't help themselves yesterday:

- Tyler Palko (Pitt) - Dipped to 2nd in the nation in passing efficiency, but still has a solid 18/3 TD/Int ratio. Palko was 16-26 for 169 with 1 TD (on a nice scramble) and no picks, but Pitt's loss to Rutgers really damages his chances. Pitt does end the season hosting West Virginia and Louisville, and a pair of wins would give Palko a late boost.

- Chris Leak had a bye week for Florida. He's 14th in passing efficiency, with 15 TDs, and Tim Tebow taking away scoring chances in the red zone.

- John David Booty had a bye week for USC. He's 39th in passing efficiency, with only 13 TD passes.

- Nate Longshore (Cal) was 21-36 for 291 with 0 TDs and no picks in their OT win over Washington. Now 19th in passing efficiency, and still unknown to many nationally.

- DeSean Jackson (Cal) had 3 catches for 40 yards and 0 TDs. He has 622 yards receiving for 8 TDs and 2 punt returns for TDs on the year.


My vote as of today (not a prediction):

01. Troy Smith
02. Steve Slaton
03. Ray Rice
04. Colt Brennan
05. Chase Daniel
06. Garrett Wolfe
07. Ian Johnson
08. James Davis
09. Mike Hart
10. P.J. Hill
11. Tyler Palko
12. Brady Quinn
13. Calvin Johnson
14. Marshawn Lynch
15. Eric Ainge
16. Ted Ginn, Jr.
17. Mario Manningham

Once a candidate, but now barely on the Heisman radar:

John David Booty
Chad Henne
DeSean Jackson
Chris Leak
Nate Longshore
JaMarcus Russell

Sorry, but injuries cost you any chance you had:

Adrian Peterson (Oklahoma)
Brian Brohm (Louisville)
Michael Bush (Louisville)
Dwayne Jarrett (USC)
Bobby Reid (Oklahoma St.)
 
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BB73;638946; said:
For each of those last two lists to have Brady Quinn in the top 3, and not to mention Eric Ainge in their top 8 or Top 10, is simply appalling.

You say this and then you list your top 15 later:

01. Troy Smith
02. Steve Slaton
03. Ray Rice
04. Colt Brennan
05. Chase Daniel
06. Garrett Wolfe
07. Ian Johnson
08. James Davis
09. Mike Hart
10. P.J. Hill
11. Tyler Palko
12. Brady Quinn
13. Calvin Johnson
14. Marshawn Lynch
15. Eric Ainge
16. Ted Ginn, Jr.
17. Mario Manningham

Sorry, but most of these guys aren't viable candidates. It's not surprising Quinn is in the top 3. To be a Heisman candidate, you need to play for a top team that is very visible. If you're from a small school you need to be an amazing player (i.e. Marshall Faulk or Steve McNair). those guys aren't on that list. Rice? Brennan? Daniel? Wolfe? Give me a break. Michael Hart over Quinn? Palko over Quinn?

Quinn is easily a top 5 Heisman contender and he deserves to be. The field is that weak.
 
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OSUBasketballJunkie;639531; said:
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Michigan has two legitimate candidates now in quarterback Chad Henne and running back Mike Hart.
To consider either as a serious Heisman candidate is a joke.

BB73;640567; said:
- Colt Brennan (Hawaii) - Now leads the nation in both passing efficiency and TD passes (28, with 5 picks). Second in passing yards with 2601, completing almost 73% of his passes. He was 22-31 for 330 yards with 5 TDs and 0 interceptions as Hawaii out-bombed New Mexico St. 49-30. Unfortunately for Brennan, most of the voters never see any of his games.
Brennen is little more than a Caucasian Timmy Chang. He's unreal when not under pressure and in the groove, but under pressure he's just a "good" QB. Also, NMSU's defense is so bad that even though NMSU has the top passing offense in the country, they were 20-point underdogs at home.
 
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tibor75;640572; said:
You say this and then you list your top 15 later:

If you were paying attention, some actual games were played in between those posts. Ainge threw 3 interceptions with no TD's, so he dropped off my list.

If Quinn played at Missouri, he would hardly get talked about. He's 35th in the nation in passing efficiency, that's why he doesn't belong in the top-5 of lists that rank players based on their performances on the field.

Sorry, but most of these guys aren't viable candidates. It's not surprising Quinn is in the top 3. To be a Heisman candidate, you need to play for a top team that is very visible. If you're from a small school you need to be an amazing player (i.e. Marshall Faulk or Steve McNair). those guys aren't on that list. Rice? Brennan? Daniel? Wolfe? Give me a break. Michael Hart over Quinn? Palko over Quinn?

Quinn is easily a top 5 Heisman contender and he deserves to be. The field is that weak.

As I said in my post, my list is not intended to be a prediction. Most of the Heisman polls will have Quinn third this week. But he doesn't deserve it.
 
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BB73;640567; said:
Just like last week, Smith's strongest competition for the award is still Steve Slaton and the Brady Quinn hype machine. Troy is now 4th in the country in passing efficiency. His 21 TD's are third, and his 21/2 TD/Int ratio is the best in the narion.

Slaton had 128 yards and 1 TD on 19 carries Friday night, and caught 2 passes for 14 yards, but once again was outshone by QB Pat White, who ran for 102 and passed for 156. Slaton's 56-yard TD in the 4th quarter came when the game was out of reach, and most viewers were no longer watching. He needs to have a big day against Louisville in order to get the voters' attention.

Quinn does not belong in the top 5 at this point, but because of the hype machine he must be tracked. He got an 80-yard game-winning last minute drive, after having a mediocre day to that point. He was 27-45 for 304 yards, 2 TDs and no picks (that UCLA held onto). He is now 35th in the nation in passing efficiency, which doesn't even account for the fact that 3 of his turnovers were returned for TDs.

Garrett Wolfe had only 45 yards on 17 carries. Although still the nation's leading rusher, with a fine 7.4 average per carry, his chances to win are now virtually zero, and even a trip to NY is doubtful.

Mike Hart had 31 carries for 126 yards and 2 TDs. He's solid, but 4.8 yards per carry and 8 TDs isn't going to get many Heisman votes.

Mario Manningham missed another game, and those lost opportunities to rack up numbers severely hurt what chances he had.

Chad Henne was 23-33 for 203 with 0 TDs and 1 pick. He's down to 29th in passing efficiency, with only 14 TDs.

Calvin Johnson followed his bye week with a buh-bye week for his Heisman campaign, Zero catches against Clemson. His trip to New York won't be until April, for the NFL Draft.

Eric Ainge of Tennessee follwed his bye week with a zero TD, 3 interception effort in a close game against Alabama. He dropped from 7th to 15th in passing efficiency, and his 14/8 TD/Int ratio will fail to impress voters.

Candidates who helped themselves this week:

- Ray Rice (Rutgers) had 39 carries for 225 yards and 1 TD in a win over Pitt. He's 4th nationally with 1124 rushing yards, with 5.6 ypc and 12 TDs.

- Colt Brennan (Hawaii) - Now leads the nation in both passing efficiency and TD passes (28, with 5 picks). Second in passing yards with 2601, completing almost 73% of his passes. He was 22-31 for 330 yards with 5 TDs and 0 interceptions as Hawaii out-bombed New Mexico St. 49-30. Unfortunately for Brennan, most of the voters never see any of his games.

- Ian Johnson (Boise St.) - Had 192 yards and 4 TDs on 27 carries on Sunday night. He is second in the country with 1181 rushing yards, and leads the nation with 18 TDs. But they don't play anybody that will garner much attention the rest of the way.

- James Davis (Clemson) - Had 21 carries for 216 yards and 2 TDs in a key 31-7 win over Georgia Tech. Lost the highlight battle, however, to teammate C.J. Spiller's pair of electrifying 50 yard TDs. Davis is tied for 7th in rushing yards with 961, has a fine 6.9 average and 16 TDs on the ground.

- P.J. Hill (Wisconsin) - Had 29 carries for 161 yards and 2 TDs, and caught 2 passes for 17 yards as Wiscy downed Purdue 24-3. His 1172 rushing yards are third in the country; he's getting 5.8 ypc and has 13 TDs.

- Marshawn Lynch (Cal) - Gained 150 yards on 21 carries (2 TDs, including the OT game-winner) and caught 4 balls for 53 yards, playing on sprained ankles. His 907 rushing yards rank 10th in the country.


I think you did a good job listing the candidates BB73

Again I think that Smith is still head and shoulders above anyone else so far. It is his to lose.
Wolfe is totally out of it
Johnson is gone
Hill is too late to seriously challenge

1. Smith

2. Lynch (He won the game)
2. Hart (over 1,000 yards, people will take notice)
2. Slaton ( the best of the "overshadowed)
5. Quinn
[quote} Quinn does not belong in the top 5 at this point, but because of the hype machine he must be tracked.[quote}
 
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