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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

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DaveyBoy said:
Serious question: what is the rule if the DB pushes first and the WR pushes back?
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Here's the rule:

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Offensive pass interference is contact by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone that interferes with a Team B player during a legal forward pass play in which the forward pass crosses the neutral zone. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents.
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There's always a fudge factor when it comes to jams but really the defender is usually considered to have the right to the spot they are standing in so that never gets called unless he holds the receiver, etc. When Smith pushes off, he significantly changes the direction of the defender (the extended arm killed him), which made it a pretty easy call.
 
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Mike80 said:
Here's the rule:




There's always a fudge factor when it comes to jams but really the defender is usually considered to have the right to the spot they are standing in so that never gets called unless he holds the receiver, etc. When Smith pushes off, he significantly changes the direction of the defender (the extended arm killed him), which made it a pretty easy call.
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So really it DPI followed by OPI. There is no place in the rule that allowed the Duck DB to initiate contact…..but he did. Bad call.
 
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DaveyBoy said:
So really it DPI followed by OPI. There is no place in the rule that allowed the Duck DB to initiate contact…..but he did. Bad call.
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ehh...that never ever gets called.....again, the defender is considered to have a right to a spot. Believe what you want but that call was 100% correct in my view. Here's the DPI rule:

rulebook said:
Defensive pass interference is contact beyond the neutral zone by a Team B player whose intent to impede an eligible opponent is obvious and could prevent the opponent the opportunity of receiving a catchable forward pass. When in question, a legal forward pass is catchable. Defensive pass interference occurs only after a legal forward pass is thrown[.]
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The defender didn't impede Smith's attempt to catch the ball and clearly didn't prevent Smith from catching it.

The OPI was very clear.
 
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Mike80 said:
ehh...that never ever gets called.....again, the defender is considered to have a right to a spot. Believe what you want but that call was 100% correct in my view.

The OPI was very clear.
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I agree that JJ pushed off and that it illegal. But watching the play in slow motion, the DB pushed off first. You say it’s never called and I agree. But it is, by definition in the rule book, defensive pass interference. Off setting.
 
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DaveyBoy said:
I agree that JJ pushed off and that it illegal. But watching the play in slow motion, the DB pushed off first. You say it’s never called and I agree. But it is, by definition in the rule book, defensive pass interference. Off setting.
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The refs don't get to see slow motion. In game that was as clear an OPI as you're ever going to see.

I don't agree, given that I found the DPI rule, that it was defensive pass interference at all. It didn't meet any of the criteria. And there's no illegal contact rule in College (that's an NFL rule) so again, pretty clearly this was an OPI only.
 
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Mike80 said:
The refs don't get to see slow motion. In game that was as clear an OPI as you're ever going to see.

I don't agree, given that I found the DPI rule, that it was defensive pass interference at all. It didn't meet any of the criteria. And there's no illegal contact rule in College (that's an NFL rule) so again, pretty clearly this was an OPI only.
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Reading more on the rule……agreed. DPI can only be called after the ball is thrown. Pushing off is not the same as holding…..therefore no defensive wrongdoing here. As I said, JJ clearly pushed off and that was OPI.
 
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Mike80 said:
The refs don't get to see slow motion. In game that was as clear an OPI as you're ever going to see.

I don't agree, given that I found the DPI rule, that it was defensive pass interference at all. It didn't meet any of the criteria. And there's no illegal contact rule in College (that's an NFL rule) so again, pretty clearly this was an OPI only.
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The refs weren't the reason why we lost, in fact that first TD drive Oregon should've had an INT, luckily for us no one bothered to review/challenge the play.
 
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RuGettinIt said:
At some point you have to rip the bandaid off and move on from LJ. I would argue it should’ve been done at the end of last season. Yeah, you may lose some recruits but it needs to happen sooner rather than later.
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LJ produced back to back NFL Defensive Rookie of the Years in 2020 and 2021 with Bosa and Young (who was a Heisman finalist and broke the school sack record). LJ has produced NFL linemen his entire career UNTIL the Kerry Coombs experiment disaster and then the hiring Knowles.

And we have heard rumblings over the years that Knowles and LJ have disagreements on the defense, to keep it lightly.

The lack of pressure is schematic and all on Knowles. He was terrified of Gabriel's scrambling ability so he trying to bring pressure from the outsides to contain him. Yet, the few times we brought pressure early in the 3rd directly in Gabriel's face it worked. Then we stopped.

Knowles relies on mis-direction before the snap. It's easy to stop a pass rush when you know there are only going to be 3 or 4 coming for the QB. Every. Single. Down.
 
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jarv said:
LJ produced back to back NFL Defensive Rookie of the Years in 2020 and 2021 with Bosa and Young (who was a Heisman finalist and broke the school sack record). LJ has produced NFL linemen his entire career UNTIL the Kerry Coombs experiment disaster and then the hiring Knowles.

And we have heard rumblings over the years that Knowles and LJ have disagreements on the defense, to keep it lightly.

The lack of pressure is schematic and all on Knowles. He was terrified of Gabriel's scrambling ability so he trying to bring pressure from the outsides to contain him. Yet, the few times we brought pressure early in the 3rd directly in Gabriel's face it worked. Then we stopped.

Knowles relies on mis-direction before the snap. It's easy to stop a pass rush when you know there are only going to be 3 or 4 coming for the QB. Every. Single. Down.
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You won't find a bigger Knowles hater than me here, but I'm sorry LJ has to take the blame for the lack of pass rush. 3 five star DEs in a Row, Harrison, Sawyer, JTT all have no pass rushing ability it's absurd how they all pretty much wound up not fulfilling their potencial, that can't be solely on Knowles. In fact given their potencial I'm not sure you can't say they weren't a bit of a bust in terms of what we expected from them. The last elite pass rusher we had was Chase in 2019, it's been far too long given our standard in recruiting.
 
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