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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

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RuGettinIt said:
Can’t put this game on Will in my opinion. He played well enough for the team to win. He didn’t turn the ball, over and made good decisions. Also was down his starting LT.

This game is on Knowles/Burke/and the defense. Lot’s of NIL money on that side of the ball and it shit the bed.
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Note, I did not say that Howard lost the game. However, he also did not win the game. For example: Joe Germaine in the 1997 Rose Bowl; Craig Krenzel with Holy Buckeye! and 4th-and-14; Troy Smith versus scUM (especially 2005); Braxton Miller to Devin Smith to beat Wisconsin in 2011; JT Barrett's 4th quarter heroics against Penn State in 2017; ditto for Dwayne Haskins in 2018; even the much-maligned Kyle McCord led an improbable game-winning drive against Notre Dame last season. I could name others, but you get the point.

Yes, the defense stunk, the special teams made a costly mistake, and coaching staff had issues with play calling and time management. But despite all that, the Buckeye offense had the ball down one at their own 25-yard line with 1:47 left on the clock, and Will Howard had the chance to make a statement. What did he do? First play of the drive he takes a sack which cost the Buckeyes a very valuable 9 yards and an even more valuable 26 seconds – the chance of scoring now becomes much more difficult. Howard battles back and gets the team into field goal range with 32 seconds left. At this point, Ohio State should win the game, but an unfortunate penalty and some clock shenanigans set Ohio State back to the Oregon 38-yard line with just 6 seconds to go – not Howard's fault, but wouldn't those lost 9 yards and 26 seconds look pretty good right now? With the game on the line, Howard now has only two options – a short pass and a time out to set up the potential game winning field goal, or try for Holy Buckeye 2.0. Of course he does neither and instead takes off running as soon as he feels the pressure, a move which runs out the clock and "loses" the game.

And lets not forget.... 3:37 left in the 3rd quarter and the Buckeye defense finally does its job and stops Oregon on 4th-and-goal from the 2-yard line to preserve a 28-22 lead. Ohio State has all the momentum and another score might put the game away. The Buckeye offense methodically moves out to the Oregon 27-yard line where they now face 3rd-and-3. No third down is ever easy but this one is very makable. What does Howard do? He fumbles the snap, loses 10 yards, drive killed, momentum gone.

Did Will Howard lose the game? No. But he did not play like a champion in crunch time and that certainly contributed to the loss.
 
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Clarity said:
Good news is this is not, at all, a harmful loss. By 1 on the road (and across the country) against #3? Meh.

Unfuck the gaping problems and plow forward. Beat the Weasels, win the Conference. Let the rest play out. Shruggles.
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Sing it. Jesus, it’s not like the other team isn’t allowed to be really fucking good too. There’s issues to be fixed, but there’s nothing anywhere in life that doesn’t have shit that can be fixed. And the ‘if we don’t win every time we step of the field mentality’ is going to leave a LOT of people very disappointed.

Like so many things in life, it’s how you respond to adversity that makes up a significant part of your character.

Let’s see what kind of character this team has before we just rinse our hands of them. After disappointing loses I always used to ask my teams how they felt… and if it felt good. If the didn’t like how they felt, they were in control of changing that next time and it starts with what they do between now and the next game. 100% sure that same thought is being shared with those guys.
 
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jarv said:
LJ produced back to back NFL Defensive Rookie of the Years in 2020 and 2021 with Bosa and Young (who was a Heisman finalist and broke the school sack record). LJ has produced NFL linemen his entire career UNTIL the Kerry Coombs experiment disaster and then the hiring Knowles.

And we have heard rumblings over the years that Knowles and LJ have disagreements on the defense, to keep it lightly.

The lack of pressure is schematic and all on Knowles. He was terrified of Gabriel's scrambling ability so he trying to bring pressure from the outsides to contain him. Yet, the few times we brought pressure early in the 3rd directly in Gabriel's face it worked. Then we stopped.

Knowles relies on mis-direction before the snap. It's easy to stop a pass rush when you know there are only going to be 3 or 4 coming for the QB. Every. Single. Down.
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That’s easily 4 years without a dominant pass rusher. Someone who can beat a guy off the snap and get to the QB. Look at how many times our Dline is stood up or pushed back. There’s no dog on that line. Curry has promise and would also like to see more of Jackson.

I also didn’t understand why we stopped bringing pressure and don’t disagree that Knowles is very passive in his approach. I was never sold on Knowles from day 1. That still doesn’t change the fact that are Dline is and has been an issue against the top tier teams.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Note, I did not say that Howard lost the game. However, he also did not win the game. For example: Joe Germaine in the 1997 Rose Bowl; Craig Krenzel with Holy Buckeye! and 4th-and-14; Troy Smith versus scUM (especially 2005); Braxton Miller to Devin Smith to beat Wisconsin in 2011; JT Barrett's 4th quarter heroics against Penn State in 2017; ditto for Dwayne Haskins in 2018; even the much-maligned Kyle McCord led an improbable game-winning drive against Notre Dame last season. I could name others, but you get the point.

Yes, the defense stunk, the special teams made a costly mistake, and coaching staff had issues with play calling and time management. But despite all that, the Buckeye offense had the ball down one at their own 25-yard line with 1:47 left on the clock, and Will Howard had the chance to make a statement. What did he do? First play of the drive he takes a sack which cost the Buckeyes a very valuable 9 yards and an even more valuable 26 seconds – the chance of scoring now becomes much more difficult. Howard battles back and gets the team into field goal range with 32 seconds left. At this point, Ohio State should win the game, but an unfortunate penalty and some clock shenanigans set Ohio State back to the Oregon 38-yard line with just 6 seconds to go – not Howard's fault, but wouldn't those lost 9 yards and 26 seconds look pretty good right now? With the game on the line, Howard now has only two options – a short pass and a time out to set up the potential game winning field goal, or try for Holy Buckeye 2.0. Of course he does neither and instead takes off running as soon as he feels the pressure, a move which runs out the clock and "loses" the game.

And lets not forget.... 3:37 left in the 3rd quarter and the Buckeye defense finally does its job and stops Oregon on 4th-and-goal from the 2-yard line to preserve a 28-22 lead. Ohio State has all the momentum and another score might put the game away. The Buckeye offense methodically moves out to the Oregon 27-yard line where there now face 3rd-and-3. No third down is ever easy but this one is very makable. What does Howard do? He fumbles the snap, loses 10 yards, drive killed, momentum gone.

Did Will Howard lose the game? No. But he did not play like a champion in crunch time and that certainly contributed to the loss.
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Point well made. Wouldn’t it have been great instead of Howard throwing where we got the OPI if we would have run the ball. No need to throw there. It also helps when a coach puts their players in the best position to win.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Note, I did not say that Howard lost the game. However, he also did not win the game. For example: Joe Germaine in the 1997 Rose Bowl; Craig Krenzel with Holy Buckeye! and 4th-and-14; Troy Smith versus scUM (especially 2005); Braxton Miller to Devin Smith to beat Wisconsin in 2011; JT Barrett's 4th quarter heroics against Penn State in 2017; ditto for Dwayne Haskins in 2018; even the much-maligned Kyle McCord led an improbable game-winning drive against Notre Dame last season. I could name others, but you get the point.

Yes, the defense stunk, the special teams made a costly mistake, and coaching staff had issues with play calling and time management. But despite all that, the Buckeye offense had the ball down one at their own 25-yard line with 1:47 left on the clock, and Will Howard had the chance to make a statement. What did he do? First play of the drive he takes a sack which cost the Buckeyes a very valuable 9 yards and an even more valuable 26 seconds – the chance of scoring now becomes much more difficult. Howard battles back and gets the team into field goal range with 32 seconds left. At this point, Ohio State should win the game, but an unfortunate penalty and some clock shenanigans set Ohio State back to the Oregon 38-yard line with just 6 seconds to go – not Howard's fault, but wouldn't those lost 9 yards and 26 seconds look pretty good right now? With the game on the line, Howard now has only two options – a short pass and a time out to set up the potential game winning field goal, or try for Holy Buckeye 2.0. Of course he does neither and instead takes off running as soon as he feels the pressure, a move which runs out the clock and "loses" the game.

And lets not forget.... 3:37 left in the 3rd quarter and the Buckeye defense finally does its job and stops Oregon on 4th-and-goal from the 2-yard line to preserve a 28-22 lead. Ohio State has all the momentum and another score might put the game away. The Buckeye offense methodically moves out to the Oregon 27-yard line where there now face 3rd-and-3. No third down is ever easy but this one is very makable. What does Howard do? He fumbles the snap, loses 10 yards, drive killed, momentum gone.

Did Will Howard lose the game? No. But he did not play like a champion in crunch time and that certainly contributed to the loss.
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For as much as we hear about “what a veteran “ he is the guy sure makes a lot of very rookie mistakes
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
After reading all the posts pointing fingers at who is responsible for this loss, it’s pretty obvious to me.

It was a TEAM loss. Pretty hard to argue that any one individual or position group were responsible. Hell, I’d even throw in some crazy ass shit with that (was it really even intended to be an) onside kick?
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Yep, yesterday was a diagnosis of the program from top to bottom. The program is stuck in a purgatory of performing below the talent level against elite competition. The ultimate bridesmaid.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
After reading all the posts pointing fingers at who is responsible for this loss, it’s pretty obvious to me.

It was a TEAM loss. Pretty hard to argue that any one individual or position group were responsible. Hell, I’d even throw in some crazy ass shit with that (was it really even intended to be an) onside kick?
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That wasn't an onside kick, he clearly just shanked it and got lucky it bounced off someone and back toward the other way
 
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