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Unless they fall apart the next 10 days I think Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas and Duke get the one seeds while we get a two.

Duke is the lowest of those four, but they have more top 50 wins than any of them. They're also "Duke". If they win the ACC tourney we're not passing them.

A two seed would still be a great opportunity.
 
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BuckTwenty;1668422; said:
With 7 losses?? No way. Too many other deserving good teams.
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Actually the media seem to be giving OSU a pass for the 6 games they didn't have ET.....even though that doesn't make a ton of sense logically, it does appear that the 3 losses somehow "don't matter"....

BuckTwenty;1668427; said:
Syracuse, Kentucky, and Kansas are shoe-ins for #1's. If Duke wins the ACC Tourny, they'll be hard to beat for a #1.
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True, but what I saw of Duke last night didn't impress me. It's your typical run of the mill non-athletic Duke team that plays decent defense but doesn't do enough offensively if the 3s aren't falling.

I will concede that we have a shot. It's just not a very realistic one. If we don't win the Big Ten Tourny, forgetaboutit.
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I do think it is a realistic chance at this point, but if they don't win the Big Ten tournament you are absolutely correct.
 
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3-Pointers: Ohio State taking run at surprise No. 1 seed - Mike DeCourcy - College Basketball - Sporting News

Buckeyes on the prize
When Duke and Kansas State lost games a week to the day after Purdue lost its key player, the chase for the fourth No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament became even more convoluted.

So let's complicate it more by considering Ohio State.

The Buckeyes completed their regular season and are awaiting their first-round game in the Big Ten tournament with a 24-7 record.

There is a precedent for a team with seven losses earning a No. 1: 2000 Michigan State. All-America point guard Mateen Cleaves missed 13 games, and MSU went 9-4 without him. When he returned and the Spartans won the Big Ten title, there never was much doubt they would be a No. 1.

Like this Ohio State team, those Spartans had problems with RPI rank. They were only 13th, the lowest rating for a No. 1 seed in the decade. Ohio State is 28th but would rise if it won the Big Ten tournament. Also, if you remove games while star Evan Turner was absent, the Buckeyes rank 18th. Only three teams have more than OSU's four RPI top 25 wins.

It's something to consider as the No. 1 seed picture becomes less clear, not more so.
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Jake;1669003; said:
Unless they fall apart the next 10 days I think Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas and Duke get the one seeds while we get a two.

Duke is the lowest of those four, but they have more top 50 wins than any of them. They're also "Duke". If they win the ACC tourney we're not passing them.

A two seed would still be a great opportunity.
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To be honest, I would love for Duke to get the last #1 seed and for Ohio State to get the highest #2 seed and be in Duke's bracket. I think that would take pressure of the Bucks to perform at a high level as a #1 seed, while still getting in the bracket with the worst of the #1's, conceivably making it a more manageable run to the Final Four. That is if Duke could actually hold up their end of the deal and finally make it back to the Elite 8 which would be the matchup with the Bucks. :biggrin:
 
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Ahiacitian;1669012; said:
To be honest, I would love for Duke to get the last #1 seed and for Ohio State to get the highest #2 seed and be in Duke's bracket. I think that would take pressure of the Bucks to perform at a high level as a #1 seed, while still getting in the bracket with the worst of the #1's, conceivably making it a more manageable run to the Final Four. That is if Duke could actually hold up their end of the deal and finally make it back to the Elite 8 which would be the matchup with the Bucks. :biggrin:
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That would be a good matchup in the Elite Eight for tOSU, but the down side is that it would probably be in the West region.

Although with the pod system, the first weekend could still be in Buffalo or Milwaukee, and meeting Duke on a neutral court out West would be OK, assuming each team would get that far.
 
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BB73;1669020; said:
That would be a good matchup in the Elite Eight for tOSU, but the down side is that it would probably be in the West region.

Although with the pod system, the first weekend could still be in Buffalo or Milwaukee, and meeting Duke on a neutral court out West would be OK, assuming each team would get that far.
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Besides, I would love to see the likes of Singler, Scheyer, Zoubek, Plumblee, and the rest of their merry band of unathletic brothers try to guard Turner, Lighty, Buford, et al.

BTW, I thought I saw in passing that Syracuse could not be the #1 seed in the east because the Carrier Dome is the site for the east's regional semifinals and finals. With Kentucky presumably #1 in the south and Kansas #1 in the Midwest, would Duke get the #1 in the east by default then and sending Syracuse out west?
 
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Ahiacitian;1669033; said:
Besides, I would love to see the likes of Singler, Scheyer, Zoubek, Plumblee, and the rest of their merry band of unathletic brothers try to guard Turner, Lighty, Buford, et al.

BTW, I thought I saw in passing that Syracuse could not be the #1 seed in the east because the Carrier Dome is the site for the east's regional semifinals and finals. With Kentucky presumably #1 in the south and Kansas #1 in the Midwest, would Duke get the #1 in the east by default then and sending Syracuse out west?
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I think they'd throw Syracuse in the South and Ky in the East, since they're more deserving of #1 seeds, and not make them go out West.
 
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I think it would be hard for Ohio State to be put in the same region as Duke if the NCAA follows their "evening up the top 4 seeds per region" motto. According to articles from reports in the Mock Selections they rank the top 4 seeds in each region 1-16 and try and make them even(1 being the best 1 seed and 16 being the worst 4 seed). They would try and make each region equal 34 total. Therefore, if Duke would be the last 1 seed = 4, they would put the number one 2 seed= 5, the worst 3 seed = 12, and the best 4 seed =13. So we would have to be considered the top 2 seed or the worst 3 seed to fit into Duke's region.

A lot of brackets have been throwing Ohio State between a 2 and a 3 seed which makes me think that they would be somewhere between 5-11 in the ranking.
 
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themongoose32;1669093; said:
A lot of brackets have been throwing Ohio State between a 2 and a 3 seed which makes me think that they would be somewhere between 5-11 in the ranking.
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Right, but Ohio State is already either 6 or 7 in the polls, and Duke and Kansas State have both lost since those polls were released. Villanova and WVU also still play this week, so another Top 10 team is going to lose. In the ESPN.com Power Rankings, which were posted today, OSU came in at #5, and was voted as high as #4 on 4 of the 10 ballots. Not that an ESPN analyst poll means anything, but I think it is telling when guys like Bilas and Andy Katz are voting the Bucks fourth.

I think if OSU wins the Big Ten tourney, they will either lock down the last 1 seed or first 2 seed. IMHO, the three biggest obstacles between OSU and the one-line are Duke winning out, WVU winning out, and the prospect of facing Wisconsin (w/ Leuer) in the Big Ten tourney.

When the committee meets and slots their 65 for the s-curve, they will consider that OSU is 24-7 and not (most likely) 27-4 because of the injury to Turner. Take out the stretch from @Butler to @Minnesota when Turner was out or just working his way back, and OSU only lost a grand total of three games, a 4 point neutral court loss to a healthy UNC, a 6 point loss on the road to a Top 10 team (WVU) and a 3 point home loss to a Top 5 team (Purdue). The resume isn't that bad.
 
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BuckTwenty;1668422; said:
With 7 losses?? No way. Too many other deserving good teams.
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Agree, if you check out the polls it jumps up real fast from 4 losses to 7 to have us at #7.

#2 or #3 works for me. Problem is, I think the "experts" are seeing this team for what it really is. Which "is" a serious Final Four contender. If Turner is Turner and Diebler hits some shots, this could be "the" year.

Keep'em crossed.

Peace
 
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Before I start, all I'm saying is don't get your hopes up too high for a #1 seed. All of these crazy losses by teams ranked higher than us surely make it look like we ought to be one of the top 4 teams in the nation right now when it matters the most, and I'm sure that'll factor into what the committee will consider when seeding us. There's obviously a lot more that will go into their considerations though.

OSU's RPI isn't even in the top 25, which is REALLY low for a #1 seed. We don't have the depth that a typical #1 should ever be without, which means we can not get injuries or get into foul trouble, or else face an early exit. We've lost to the 2 highest (currently) ranked teams we've played thus far this season (Purdue & WVU). The Big Ten is rated the 5th toughest conference right now, which I'm sure is factored into our RPI. We've only beaten one top 10 team this year, but it was a doozie (@ #6 Purdue). 6 of our 7 losses came on the road, and without a home game left on the schedule, the committee will hold that against us. And with the shoe-in #1's (Kentucky, Syracuse, Kansas) all being eastern US or middle American teams, unless we get shipped to the West bracket because we would be the 4th best #1, we're not getting a #1.

I know we lost 3 games with Evan gone, but just go with me that we would have lost to Wiscy, with or without him. And, yes mross, we lost that game against Minnesota... that shouldn't be lumped in with the ones he didn't play in. Evan played HUGE that game (19pts, 8reb, 7ast, 4stl, 2blks in 38 min in an 11pt loss) and the injury didn't factor much at all during the course of the game. Without him, we would have gotten spanked like Wiscy spanked us. The other two losses (Butler, scUM) you could make valid points for a win IF Evan hadn't broken his back. I, personally, am not willing to just give us mulligans for those games because to me, a loss is a loss is a loss.

Joe Lunardi has us as a #3 seed in his latest bracketology, and it's hard to argue too hard against his picks in front of us... with the exception of a Hummel-less Purdue, and the only argument is because Hummel's gone for the season (which unfortunately, is a great argument... and kinda ironic, considering in that case we're arguing a team should be ranked lower because of an injury). Not to say you can't argue against K-State, Duke, New Mexico, and Villanova, but those teams are just as deserving, if not more, of those rankings than OSU is.

Besides, if Lunardi's bracket just happend to come to life, you've got to LOVE our chances to at least make the Elite 8! I mean, who wouldn't want to see the two best college ballers face off with a final four appearance on the line? If we don't get a #1, don't sweat the difference between getting a #2 or #3. There's honestly not that huge a difference between the two. GINORMOUS difference between a #3 and a #4, though there's no chance we're getting a #4. It'll be a #2 or #3 thanks in large part to winning 13 of our last 15 to finish as co-Big Ten Champs. We can argue over seeds, but every Buckeye should be THRILLED TO DEATH with a seed as high as we're gonna be in The Tourny.
 
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