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Zwick vs. Smith (official thread)

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jimotis4heisman said:
all three of those were option offenses-not something you really see today, and we sure in the hell arent going to be running it.
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Which offenses are you referring to? I don't think Colorado or Nebraska were pure option offenses, but rather offenses similar to what we employed against Michigan.
 
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Hooley took an opportunity to stir up crap. That's what he's all about, and nothing more. He knows that will be a hot issue with Buckeye fans, because of past experiences. But to say that Ohio State is still "fascinated" with the a two quarterback system is just stupid. Is there anyone in the football program left over from the Cooper era?
 
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would you hot swap centers to? we could rotate mangold every other play. i don't see any possible downsides there. and the d would have to prepair for two different centers right? that should make things tough on em... any possible benefit you get from forcing a d to prepair for 2 different guys you offset by the impact to your offense 2 different starters at qb brings to the table.

this never ever worked. didn't work in 96 and most certainly didn't work in 97. it was just a little more blatant in 97. all swaping qb's does is increase the likelyhood of dropped passes and miscommunications between your o. hell id rather boekman sight unseen start every game of the year than rotate qb's.

no way we rotate no matter how capable both or all 3 are. you pick a guy and you run with him until you find someone better. football isn't a democracy. starting two qbs in a game isn't a sign that both your guys are capable. its a sign that NEITHER of your guys are capable and your praying to god one of them steps up. sorry but i just don't see us having that kind of a problem this year...
 
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I don't like the idea of a 2 QB system, but I did expect this with Troy Smith being suspended along with Daniels saying that he'll be the starter for the Texas game, just reeked of Smith starting but Zwick coming in on some series to get playing time as well.

Personally, I want a starter named and his job to lose.
 
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http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2005/04/14/20050414-D1-01.html
OSU FOOTBALL
Boeckman works his way into mix at QB
He’s the wild card behind juniors Zwick and Smith
Thursday, April 14, 2005
Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Far from forgotten, Todd Boeckman is the "don’t forget about him" third entry in the quarterback derby going on behind the closed gates of Ohio State’s spring practices.

The focus is on juniors Troy Smith and Justin Zwick, based on the way things played out last season. But Boeckman’s eligibility clock also is now ticking, so he’s itching to play.

"Definitely. Why not? I want to be in the competition," Boeckman said. "You come to Ohio State, you want to play. You want to get on the field.

"I’m here to compete with Justin and Troy, and they know that. And we’re all out there having fun and doing what we know how to do."

Zwick started the first six games last year. OSU won the first three but then lost three in a row. Smith took over, going 4-1 to wrap up the regular season, including a win over Michigan.

But when Smith was suspended for the Alamo Bowl for accepting money from an OSU booster, Zwick stepped in and led the Buckeyes to a 33-7 win over Oklahoma State.

Watching it all from the sideline was Boeckman, who once was designated Ohio State’s quarterback of the future.

Coming out of St. Henry, he was talked into delaying his fulltime enrollment in what would have been his freshman season in 2003 to put more space among himself and Smith and Zwick. That left him five seasons to play four starting last year, and he and the coaches were determined that he redshirt in 2004.

Everyone saw how much they were determined not to burn that redshirt when, instead of sending Boeckman in to relieve a temporarily injured Zwick early in the Alamo Bowl, they put receiver Ted Ginn Jr. in to take some snaps.

"I’m 20, I’m going on what will be my third year here, and I’m only going to be a freshman," Boeckman said. "But I think it has given me a better idea of what’s going to happen. I’m here to do what they ask, and I am going to help the team out whatever it can be."

Could that actually be a playing role when the season starts? Coach Jim Tressel was telling reporters a year ago that when they wrote or spoke of the quarterbacks, not to forget about Boeckman, even if he had no intention of playing him in 2004.

But Tressel and others, including cornerback Ashton Youboty, were seeing plenty of the 6-foot-4 Boeckman in practice, and Youboty thought he stacked up well in comparison with Zwick and Smith.

"I hope he gets a chance to prove he can start, because going against him all last year, he really did the job with the scout team, giving us good looks," Youboty said.

Even behind not the best of offensive lines, "he was just working the pocket, scrambling," Youboty said. "You wouldn’t think he could scramble, but he was pretty good at it, and throwing accurately while he’s scrambling."

Apparently, that kind of play has continued into the spring. Quarterbacks coach Joe Daniels said Boeckman has come along so well that he’d like to get him some time working with the first-team offense, just to gain an even better gauge.

Boeckman is ready. He spent all of last year preparing for just such an upgrade.

"I think I’m reading the defenses quicker, I’m getting rid of the ball a lot quicker, and all of that is just coming along," Boeckman said.

What also helps, he said, is being the wild card.

"I’m out there just to show what I’ve got," Boeckman said. "I really don’t think I have too much on my shoulders right now, because everybody knows about Justin and Troy and what they’ve accomplished and how great of players they are.

"I think I’m just there to do what I know how to do."

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lets all get our panties in a bunch, its a three way race...again
 
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No, it's a three QB rotation. I say we let all three play a quarter each, and then we let the one that did the best play in the fourth quarter. While we're at it. I think that we should have Ginn play defense in the first and third quarters, and play offense in the second and fourth quarters. :roll2:<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
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Hey!!! I already posted that brilliant idea! Stop stealing my ever-so-devious plans! :roll2:
 
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Bucky Katt said:
Hey!!! I already posted that brilliant idea! Stop stealing my ever-so-devious plans! :roll2:
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Which brilliant idea? I also think that Roy Hall should play at every single position that's not WR. We should put Dionte Johnson at LB, and have Holmes, Ginn, and O'Neal back to return punts, all at the same time. Who are you going to kick to then? We are going to score a thousand points this year. WOOHOO!!!
 
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And maybe put a couple of those cheerleader babes in there at defensive tackle. I bet they could really give opposing O-lines some trouble. And maybe the chess club can be the next defensive coordinater? How about bringing Chris Spielman back to be the marching band director, or to be the one who raises the flag during the Star Spangled Banner? Heck, while we're at it, I think I'll give MoC a call and see if he wants to write this report for me about this cathodic protection system......
 
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I've had my green chicklets for to long so it's time to post something controversial. I don't think college teams should use a two quarterback system but I think pro teams should. The benefit would be that the better QB would have less wear and tear and worse case there will be a practiced backup. You might have to play 20 games or so in an NFL season including preseason and playoffs before you reach the playoff. There has been many times when a backup QB took a team to the superbowl (Warner) but a hurt star (McNabb) couldn't play effectively.

I would rotate the qb's like players substitute in the NBA. Let the stars play the most important snaps like: opening possesion, pinned deep in own territory, two minute drill, come from behind. The backup would steal minutes when possible.

A healthy QB often makes or breaks a season so QB health should be important.

Smithlabs
 
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not getting into the playoffs because you played an inferior qb is a tad less palitable than loosing in the playoffs cause your qb was playing hurt. name the teams whose odds of winning stay the same/increase when the backup plays. your idea only works if teams loose little when the #2 guy walks on the field. i can't think of many teams that can say that.
 
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