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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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My guess is that the NCAA will:

Add 1 year of probation, going from 2 years to 3. Due to the potential for being a "repeat violator", (for basketball penalties levied in 2004 for infractions that mainly occurred before the year 2000), they'll want to make sure tOSU stays clean for a little longer before being out of the woods. It also would make it clear that they didn't just accept what tOSU self-imposed.

Give Jim Tressel a "show cause" penalty of 2 or 3 years, which basically would prevent him from taking another college coaching job for awhile, either as a head coach or as an assistant. I don't think he wants to do that anyway, but the 'show cause' is a deterrent for future coaches thinking about something that could result in a 10.1 violation.

Accept the vacating of the 12 wins from 2010 and the return of the bowl payout of $338,811, and not impose any bowl ban.

I don't think there will be scholarship reductions, but I wouldn't be shocked if a couple were taken away.

I believe a statement from the NCAA will clearly point out that JT's 10.1 violation was self-reported, and the the University cooperated fully with the NCAA investigation, and also state that those are key reasons why there aren't harsher penalties.
 
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BB73;1968619; said:
Add 1 year of probation, going from 2 years to 3. Due to the potential for being a "repeat violator", (for basketball penalties levied in 2004 for infractions that mainly occurred before the year 2000), they'll want to make sure tOSU stays clean for a little longer before being out of the woods.
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Forgot about this, but I agree.

Give Jim Tressel a "show cause" penalty of 2 to 3 years, which basically would prevent him from taking another college coaching job, either as a head coach or as an assistant.

Accept the vacating of the 12 wins from 2010 and the return of the bowl payout of $338,811, and not impose any bowl ban.

I don't think there will be scholarship reductions, but I wouldn't be shocked if a couple were taken away.

I believe a statement from the NCAA will clearly point out that JT's 10.1 violation was self-reported, and the the University cooperated fully with the NCAA investigation, and also state that those are key reasons why there aren't harsher penalties.
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Agree with all of this, though, as most have probably thought, I cannot see Jim Tressel seeking out another job anyway. He reached his pinnacle, was incredibly successful, and built an identity at tOSU. Anything else would be a step down. On top of that, he's going to be 59 years old. I think he'll find something else to occupy his time, and he'll be great at that too.
 
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Perhaps someone who has been following this more closely than I can clarify a point: It is my understanding that as James Tressel currently has no official capacity with The Ohio State University, he had no legal obligation to testify at the hearing today. If that is true, I would assume that his participation passed muster with the university's legal counsel, and it was expected that his testimony would have a positive impact (all things being relative) on the hearings. That strikes me as a rather bold move and suggests that OSU had high confidence that the NCAA would agree with the self-imposed sanctions.

I also thought the forfeiture of OSU's Sugar Bowl purse was a smart move, as it took pressure off the NCAA to address the issue (and it is a relatively small hit to the athletic department's coffers). Really, OSU could have offered to pay out for the rest of the B1G shares without too much pain, but that would have been over the top. I would have loved it though. :lol:

What really amuses me is that the yellow "journalists" who have been piling on OSU in the hopes that a Buckeye crucifixion would somehow validate their lack of integrity seem genuinely shocked that a routine hearing didn't unfold into a Clarence Darrow vs. William Jennings-Bryan trial of the century. These entities have been in near-constant communication for most of a year. The NCAA was not "building it's case" the entire time, they were cooperating with the university. There was never going to be a moment when an NCAA official dramatically proclaimed, "The prosecution rests!" as OSU's team bowed their heads in defeat. This hearing was not likely to have any other outcome than, "So, are we all on the same page?" "Yup." "Okay then, we'll be in touch."

What does not amuse me at all is that the lives and futures of 18-22 year-old kids are being affected by rumors, lies, and insinuations by the likes of "Ellis", Dohrman, and Dodd, who are obviously more concerned with their own fame than the truth. The complicit parties of the Tat-5 affair have been, or will be, punished by OSU and the NCAA, as is just. The players who were named in the media, but not in any official allegations, may never escape the stigma of playing for a "cheating" program (at least in the court of public opinion). Any and every member of the media who contributed to the unfounded defamation of innocent parties should feel shamed by their behavior.

The only thing that the current Buckeye team can do is distinguish themselves on and off the field. I would expect no less.

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generaladm;1968624; said:
Perhaps someone who has been following this more closely than I can clarify a point: It is my understanding that as James Tressel currently has no official capacity with The Ohio State University, he had no legal obligation to testify at the hearing today. If that is true, I would assume that his participation passed muster with the university's legal counsel, and it was expected that his testimony would have a positive impact (all things being relative) on the hearings. That strikes me as a rather bold move and suggests that OSU had high confidence that the NCAA would agree with the self-imposed sanctions.

I also thought the forfeiture of OSU's Sugar Bowl purse was a smart move, as it took pressure off the NCAA to address the issue (and it is a relatively small hit to the athletic department's coffers). Really, OSU could have offered to pay out for the rest of the B1G shares without too much pain, but that would have been over the top. I would have loved it though. :lol:

What really amuses me is that the yellow "journalists" who have been piling on OSU in the hopes that a Buckeye crucifixion would somehow validate their lack of integrity seem genuinely shocked that a routine hearing didn't unfold into a Clarence Darrow vs. William Jennings-Bryan trial of the century. These entities have been in near-constant communication for most of a year. The NCAA was not "building it's case" the entire time, they were cooperating with the university. There was never going to be a moment when an NCAA official dramatically proclaimed, "The prosecution rests!" as OSU's team bowed their heads in defeat. This hearing was not likely to have any other outcome than, "So, are we all on the same page?" "Yup." "Okay then, we'll be in touch."

What does not amuse me at all is that the lives and futures of 18-22 year-old kids are being affected by rumors, lies, and insinuations by the likes of "Ellis", Dohrman, and Dodd, who are obviously more concerned with their own fame than the truth. The complicit parties of the Tat-5 affair have been, or will be, punished by OSU and the NCAA, as is just. The players who were named in the media, but not in any official allegations, may never escape the stigma of playing for a "cheating" program (at least in the court of public opinion). Any and every member of the media who contributed to the unfounded defamation of innocent parties should feel shamed by their behavior.

The only thing that the current Buckeye team can do is distinguish themselves on and off the field. I would expect no less.

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maybe I am missing something....but if Talbott paid TP, doesn't that just affect TP's eligibility? TP was already suspended and left the program.


Maybe the mediots want another building block for LOIC but I don't see how a player selling autographs is OSU's fault. Unless the guy took cash in front of an OSU staff member and they looked the other way. The only other thing would be large deposits in an account that compliance had access to the records and they didn't question anything.

Even if he took cash, i doubt he would put 40K in an account then send the compliance dept bank statements. Or maybe a written note from Gene Smith thanking talbott for his services....
 
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Tlangs;1968758; said:
maybe I am missing something....but if Talbott paid TP, doesn't that just affect TP's eligibility? TP was already suspended and left the program.


Maybe the mediots want another building block for LOIC but I don't see how a player selling autographs is OSU's fault. Unless the guy took cash in front of an OSU staff member and they looked the other way. The only other thing would be large deposits in an account that compliance had access to the records and they didn't question anything.

Even if he took cash, i doubt he would put 40K in an account then send the compliance dept bank statements. Or maybe a written note from Gene Smith thanking talbott for his services....
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Read somewhere today (from a link in one of these threads) and I agree, who the fuck gives anyone 40k for autographs? Is there anyone out there that could command 40k for autographs? I don't know, I don't collect autographs but goddamn, that's serious money. Maybe Babe Ruth's ghost could command that kind of change, but wtf?
 
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I was listening to an espn radio affiliate tonight. In its Sportcenter recap when discussing the hearing today Holtzman noted that G Smith said tOSU has not heard anything about additional allegations or particular additional issues being investigated. He then said there was a letter sent by the NCAA, not to tOSU, but to a consultant tOSU hired that the NCAA is looking into other matters and that an additional hearing may be necessary. Take if FWIW given the source.
 
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buckeyeinfla;1968764; said:
i think the ongoing investigation pertained to July and player H...forde got the letter a month late and used it in the present tense. I don't think the NCAA is investigating osu anymore..i think this is all but over
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Yep! All over but the whining in parts like Ann Arbor and State Penn .
And L.A .of course.
 
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westbrock;1968801; said:
I was listening to an espn radio affiliate tonight. In its Sportcenter recap when discussing the hearing today Holtzman noted that G Smith said tOSU has not heard anything about additional allegations or particular additional issues being investigated. He then said there was a letter sent by the NCAA, not to tOSU, but to a consultant tOSU hired that the NCAA is looking into other matters and that an additional hearing may be necessary. Take if FWIW given the source.
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That's common practice. When I want you to receive a letter that pertains to you, I send it to your sister.
 
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ESPiN is still saying that the Failure to Monitor is still on the table and could come out of the July letter of additional investigation.

I thought that the NCAA already sent OSU a letter saying that this was not going to happen?
 
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