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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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MaxBuck;2068913; said:
OK, let's get some perspective here. Smith is the director of athletics, so his job performance has been execrable. But Gordon Gee presides over the entire university, which has seen its research and education credentials improve exponentially during his tenure.

Last thing I want to see is the departure of E. Gordon Gee.
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I was thinking the same thing. The university as a whole is doing better than it's ever done. Gee has been important to its rise academically.
 
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Jake;2068904; said:
I see people repeating the "Ohio State fully cooperated" line, apparently forgetting the very thing the NCAA cited in rendering its decision:



I'd love to argue with that statement but I can't honestly do it. Those who refuse to accept that Tressel did anything wrong will continue to believe tOSU got screwed by an ESPN-NCAA conspiracy, and nothing will change their minds.

But until I hear a plausible explanation for Tressel's inaction in April, September, November and December of 2010 I'm not buying the victim card. Tressel didn't say anything until we got caught. That's not "fully cooperating" by any definition. Sorry, but it's just not.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...a-sends-message-sanctions-ohio-state-buckeyes
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Well the argument would be that it was the University that turned in the coach. That, I think, could be argued as "fully cooperating". Obviously the NCAA had other ideas or it didn't matter to them because of the other facets of this case...
 
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Jake;2068904; said:
I see people repeating the "Ohio State fully cooperated" line, apparently forgetting the very thing the NCAA cited in rendering its decision:

"The committee found [Tressel's reasoning] not to be credible," the report said. "The former head coach's inaction on four different occasions was in the committee's view, a deliberate effort to conceal the situation from the institution and the NCAA in order to preserve the eligibility of the aforementioned student-athletes, several of whom were key contributors to the team's highly successful 12-1 season in 2010."
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I'd love to argue with that statement but I can't honestly do it. Those who refuse to accept that Tressel did anything wrong will continue to believe tOSU got screwed by an ESPN-NCAA conspiracy, and nothing will change their minds.

But until I hear a plausible explanation for Tressel's inaction in April, September, November and December of 2010 I'm not buying the victim card. Tressel didn't say anything until we got caught. That's not "fully cooperating" by any definition. Sorry, but it's just not.
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The flaw in your reasoning is that Tressel and the instituion are one and the same. In this case Tressel =/= the institution. The NCAA seems to acknowledge as much in the quote you provided, with the key portion that I bolded.

The institution cooperated. Jim Tressel as an individual not acting in concert with the institution, did not.
 
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NFBuck;2068922; said:
It's a simple observation, Max. There seem to be two crowds...one that finds this as a total injustice and wants to vent all over the internet, and another that is accepting and wanting to move on.
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"There are those wise souls who think like me, and then there are the [censored]wits who disagree."

Hey, just accept it. It's the way I think about things, too. :lol:
 
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MaxBuck;2068919; said:
Not to be self-aggrandizing about it or anything ...
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NFBuck;2068922; said:
It's a simple observation, Max. There seem to be two crowds...one that finds this as a total injustice and wants to vent all over the internet, and another that is accepting and wanting to move on.
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MaxBuck;2068927; said:
"There are those wise souls who think like me, and then there are the [censored]wits who disagree."

Hey, just accept it. It's the way I think about things, too. :lol:
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Let me sum it up for you, Max.

NFBuck said:
I'm up to number five on the all time posts list, pal. So. Fuck. Off.
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:lol:
 
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Jake;2068904; said:
I'd love to argue with that statement but I can't honestly do it. Those who refuse to accept that Tressel did anything wrong will continue to believe tOSU got screwed by an ESPN-NCAA conspiracy, and nothing will change their minds.

But until I hear a plausible explanation for Tressel's inaction in April, September, November and December of 2010 I'm not buying the victim card. Tressel didn't say anything until we got caught. That's not "fully cooperating" by any definition. Sorry, but it's just not.
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Today's punishment is the cumulative result of Tressel looking the other way for ten years. He skated on thin ice several times - Derek Morris, Maurice Clarett, Troy Smith - and finally fell through with Terrelle Pryor and his Tatgate co-conspirators. This mess is Tressel's fault, and he must own it.

As far as Smith and Gee and their level of cooperation with the NCAA, a better first step would have been to fire Tressel immediately upon discovering the Cicero emails. Not only would that have prevented the ensuing media circus, but it also would have shown the NCAA that Ohio State was actually serious about rooting out the real problem in its football program. Instead, Smith and Gee endorsed their rogue coach and slapped him on the wrist with a two-game suspension.
 
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Hey dumb shit, what was the main reason for Tressel's inaction again? That's right, to protect the players. The federal drug investigation was still in full force until December 2010, at which point the players were cleared...then JT fully cooperated. What part don't you and the media dumb asses understand?

Jake;2068904; said:
I see people repeating the "Ohio State fully cooperated" line, apparently forgetting the very thing the NCAA cited in rendering its decision:



I'd love to argue with that statement but I can't honestly do it. Those who refuse to accept that Tressel did anything wrong will continue to believe tOSU got screwed by an ESPN-NCAA conspiracy, and nothing will change their minds.

But until I hear a plausible explanation for Tressel's inaction in April, September, November and December of 2010 I'm not buying the victim card. Tressel didn't say anything until we got caught. That's not "fully cooperating" by any definition. Sorry, but it's just not.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...a-sends-message-sanctions-ohio-state-buckeyes
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Fremont Buckeye;2068883; said:
I don't have a problem with the bowl ban, but announce it before Ohio State can accept the bid for this year. The COI didn't just decide to add the ban in the last 16 days. It just reeks of "sticking it you" attitude when the University fully complied and the individuals partially responsible are still on this years team.
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I just can't get indignant over punishment handed out over a rule "we" (or our institutions duly appointed leader) intentionally broke.

None of this shit happens if Tressel doesn't lie to the NCAA. Period. That's where the wailing and gnashing of teeth should be directed. Not the NCAA.

So we fucked around and flouted a rule at school and the principal gave us an extra whack with the paddle than we expected. The good news is it wasn't two extra whacks. The better news is he's done beating us and we can move on now.

Moral of the story to me is if you can't take a beating don't go breaking rules.
 
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Buckeye1;2068951; said:
Hey dumb [Mark May], what was the main reason for Tressel's inaction again? That's right, to protect the players. The federal drug investigation was still in full force until December 2010, at which point the players were cleared...then JT fully cooperated. What part don't you and the media dumb asses understand?
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You may want to edit that and reconsider your approach, this shit doesn't fly here. You chose to believe one side, some chose to be skeptical. Either way doesn't justify this childish bullshit.
 
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