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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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ant80;2005545; said:
Again some damning info.

I have really lost faith that the NCAA committee on infractions is not going to cite us for FTM and/or LoIC in their upcoming release.
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I've gone back and forth in my mind on this and my initial reaction was that we would get the hammer. After thinking it through I don't know. We investigated a violation fully. In the process of that investigation found out more violations that we self reported. Isn't that the definition of monitoring? Some people have mentioned that this was the "outstanding" item that was talked about before the August hearing. If this is the case, then the NCAA knew about it when they decided not to drop the LOIC or FTM on us back then.

Who knows. I could see a two year bowl ban coming though. Hopefully it starts this year. It would suck for this process to drag out into December and then not be eligible when this team that has tons of freshman contributors matures.



In all seriousness, What can 8 employees sitting in columbus do, if players go to Cleveland and take jobs without filling out the appropriate paperwork and get overpaid? If the university conducted the training where every player was notified "do not take a job without checking with us" and they ignore it...there isn't much you can do. To me, blatant disregard for policies and procedures is on the player not the university. Unless of course assistant coaches are involved like at DA U :)
 
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Tlangs;2005548; said:
I've gone back and forth in my mind on this and my initial reaction was that we would get the hammer. After thinking it through I don't know. We investigated a violation fully. In the process of that investigation found out more violations that we self reported. Isn't that the definition of monitoring? Some people have mentioned that this was the "outstanding" item that was talked about before the August hearing. If this is the case, then the NCAA knew about it when they decided not to drop the LOIC or FTM on us back then.

Who knows. I could see a two year bowl ban coming though. Hopefully it starts this year. It would suck for this process to drag out into December and then not be eligible when this team that has tons of freshman contributors matures.



In all seriousness, What can 8 employees sitting in columbus do, if players go to Cleveland and take jobs without filling out the appropriate paperwork and get overpaid? If the university conducted the training where every player was notified "do not take a job without checking with us" and they ignore it...there isn't much you can do. To me, blatant disregard for policies and procedures is on the player not the university. Unless of course assistant coaches are involved like at DA U :)
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This. As bad as the press is making all of this seem--not that it isn't serious--a FTM and/or LOIC is just unwarranted.
 
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kn1f3party;2005552; said:
This. As bad as the press is making all of this seem--not that it isn't serious--a FTM and/or LOIC is just unwarranted.
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I agree, but I wouldn't complain if they do drop FTM and/or LOIC. At some point the NCAA can just say, there was an overall attitude within the program that you didn't have to play by the rules. Have we hit that point? I fear we may have with these latest violations happening after JT was fired for breaking rules.
 
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How Gene Smith still has a job is really interesting to me. He keeps digging a bigger hole every time he talks, and still denies there's anything wrong. At this point in the proceedings, his job is about PR as much as it is about AD. I don't have enough information to completely judge his job as an AD, but in PR he gets an F-
 
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kn1f3party;2005482; said:
I'm in this school of thought. I see them breaking rules and think that is bad and all, but I also think everything that has happened at tOSU has been blown way out of proportion when compared to what else is going on around the country in college football.
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We hold ourselves to a higher standard. When we fail to meet that standard, we air our laundry in public (the quality of that 'airing' is certainly subject to much debate : see Gene Smith thread). Given the transparency of our issues, lazy 'journalists' the nation over can write an easy expose' on the Buckeyes without leaving their couch.

While the slow drip of this (relatively minor) [Mark May] is maddening, we'll get through it and be stronger. I still believe the best disinfectant is sunlight, and the fact that we self report every minor infraction makes us better, despite the fact that it looks like we constantly bend the rules.

Go Bucks!
 
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Bucklion;2005560; said:
How Gene Smith still has a job is really interesting to me. He keeps digging a bigger hole every time he talks, and still denies there's anything wrong. At this point in the proceedings, his job is about PR as much as it is about AD. I don't have enough information to completely judge his job as an AD, but in PR he gets an F-
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count me as one that is waiting to see what really comes of all this; We, and the ESPN crowd, are not the market he is targeting. I keep coming back to the fact that he has to know how the infractions committee operates and that is what he is targeting. Most of that is probably my hopes, but I'd think if he was doing as bad a job "behind the scenes" as it appears, the guy that dismantled the Vanderbilt Athletic department wouldn't hesitate to tell him to move on.
 
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ant80;2005545; said:
Again some damning info.

I have really lost faith that the NCAA committee on infractions is not going to cite us for FTM and/or LoIC in their upcoming release.
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You have to look at it like a government body would look at it.

Ohio State has the right procedures in place. When they get information about a violation, they investigate it fully.

People within the system are screwing up, but the system itself is built correctly.

Smith will likely resign here soon (likely after the report comes out), but for all of the issues and violations, the only real issue the system has had was what Tressel did, and it wasn't as if the system tried to cover for him once it was found to be a violation.

That's when things get dicey, when the system is aware of a violation, doesn't do it due diligence and then is either defiant (like U$C was) or systemic errors were found throughout the entire athletic department (like Boise State).

Individual faults within the FOOTBALL PROGRAM isn't going to damn the rest of the ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT. The NCAA won't hit OSU for a FTM or LOIC just because the football team can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. It doesn't work that way.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;2005613; said:
You have to look at it like a government body would look at it.

Ohio State has the right procedures in place. When they get information about a violation, they investigate it fully.

People within the system are screwing up, but the system itself is built correctly.

Smith will likely resign here soon (likely after the report comes out), but for all of the issues and violations, the only real issue the system has had was what Tressel did, and it wasn't as if the system tried to cover for him once it was found to be a violation.

That's when things get dicey, when the system is aware of a violation, doesn't do it due diligence and then is either defiant (like U$C was) or systemic errors were found throughout the entire athletic department (like Boise State).

Individual faults within the FOOTBALL PROGRAM isn't going to damn the rest of the ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT. The NCAA won't hit OSU for a FTM or LOIC just because the football team can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. It doesn't work that way.
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This.
 
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I think it's time for a No Tolerance policy. First, Herron and Posey, off the team.

Maurice Hall, suspend him for a few games.
any future rule breaking, you are off the team.

If you are tempted to be forgiving with these players because we have a top ten team to protect, forget that noise. we will be fortunate to get 7 and 5 this year. Hurts to say it but it is true.
 
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I think all of these guys should be kicked off the team to set a precedence that it will not be tolerated. In addition, I think when the dust settles GS will be out of a job. They are probably waiting for the ruling to do so.

I was originally thinking that we would get much less than USC, but now I am starting to think that it might be as bad or worse. Repeat offenders like this are a BIG PROBLEM.

I cannot fathom that these kids had the audacity to do this well into the original investigation. It disgusts me........
 
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