Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Diego-Bucks]

Just to be clear, the "uncooperative like USC" thing is somewhat of a myth.

While the investigation took forever due to lack of subpoena power and the main figures being long gone from LA, and while the former AD had an air of arrogance/jackassery about him, the NCAA actually commended USC for their cooperation in the final report.

Of course, cooperation with a compliance office of one staffer might look a bit different than what Ohio State can and has provided...

Is this a commendation for their cooperation in the final report (maybe they have a great printing press?)? Or is this for cooperation during the entire phase of the investigation? I don't think the NCAA comments much on matters (especially when investigations were ongoing) but I have a hard time believing that USC did anything cooperative until Carroll left. Further, I'd think they were only cooperative after they learned the predicament they were in ~2009-2010 (e.g. hammer drop). I don't know, but I just have to question when/where cooperation came into place regarding USC and their 4 year long investigation.

 

[CONGERSBUCKEYE]

The only way to prevent this issue is for the NFL and NCAA to work together on it. If the NFL were to put in a policy that if you are caught or proven to be involved with taking extra benefits while in College you had to wait a year before being eligible to enter the draft, I believe many of these Star athletes would not risk it.

 

[Pheasant]

The only way to prevent this issue is for the NFL and NCAA to work together on it. If the NFL were to put in a policy that if you are caught or proven to be involved with taking extra benefits while in College you had to wait a year before being eligible to enter the draft, I believe many of these Star athletes would not risk it.

Sure they would. They take benefits their freshman year, when they will still have to wait 2 years for the draft.

Why would the NFL care enough to get involved?

 

[Gatorubet]

Good point, and that's why JT was fired.

And I get that. As I said, the manner it which it was self reported is laudatory and should be rewarded. Whether the bad stuff happening to Tress should be seen as "punishment" to tOSU - instead of punishment to Tress - is simply where I can see the NCAA arriving at a different conclusion.

Hope I'm wrong. Don't think I am. I can see them accepting the proposed penalties. I don't see them doing so because you no longer have your coach.

 

[HINYG8]

And I get that. As I said, the manner it which it was self reported is laudatory and should be rewarded. Whether the bad stuff happening to Tress should be seen as "punishment" to tOSU - instead of punishment to Tress - is simply where I can see the NCAA arriving at a different conclusion.

Hope I'm wrong. Don't think I am.

USC = LoIC over a 5 year period across multiple sports = 2 year bowl ban, 30 scholarships across 3 seasons

Boise State = FTM = 3 less practices, 3 less scholarships across 2 seasons.

OSU = no FTM, no LoIC = bowl bans and big scholarship reductions? I don't see the logic.

Why would OSU face bowl bans and big scholarship reductions because the HC didn't report violations that OSU later self reported...and those players received the NCAA penalty and the coach has been removed from the program? There are no other charges...the press would like us all to believe otherwise, but they have been living in the land of make believe and false accusations since they tried to make this mole hill into a mountain. Still, they have succeeded to a degree as JT is gone, Pryor is gone. If the press had just reported the facts and stuck to reality I fully believe JT is still the HC at OSU and the self imposed penalties would stand. OSU has already paid in full..and then some..for what actually happened.

If we want to talk bowl bans and massive schollie reductions then lets talk about North Carolina...or lets wait and see what the hullabaloo around Miami is really all about. But OSU? Bowl bans and large schollie reductions don't match the violations IMO..and I'd like to hear why you think they do.

 

[Gatorubet]

But OSU? Bowl bans and large schollie reductions don't match the violations IMO..and I'd like to hear why you think they do.

I don't think that Bowl bans and large schollie reductions are realistic possibilities, so someone else will have to make that case.

I see the mole hill as being a bit larger than you view it. But more importantly (and UF having fought the NCAA from the early 1980s until 1990), I have far greater doubt concerning the NCAA's ability to match the violation with the appropriate penalty than do you.

This belief is from our (UF's) former painful experience.

 

[HINYG8]

I don't think that Bowl bans and large schollie reductions are realistic possibilities, so someone else will have to make that case.

Then what case are you making? What, exactly, do you think the penalty will be? Where is the disconnect between what OSU fans are saying and what you expect the NCAA to do if you don't think bowl bans and large schollie reductions arre in the making?

 

[Pheasant]

Then what case are you making? What, exactly, do you think the penalty will be? Where is the disconnect between what OSU fans are saying and what you expect the NCAA to do if you don't think bowl bans and large schollie reductions arre in the making?

I think he edited while you were typing your reply...there was an addition to his post that came in before your reply, but a couple minutes after his post.

I can see them accepting the proposed penalties. I don't see them doing so because you no longer have your coach.

 

[Gatorubet]

Then what case are you making? What, exactly, do you think the penalty will be? Where is the disconnect between what OSU fans are saying and what you expect the NCAA to do if you don't think bowl bans and large schollie reductions arre in the making?

7389 & 7399.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Whether the bad stuff happening to Tress should be seen as "punishment" to tOSU - instead of punishment to Tress - is simply where I can see the NCAA arriving at a different conclusion.

You cannot possibly be serious with this statement.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

Surely, You cannot possibly be serious with this statement.

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[Gatorubet]

You cannot possibly be serious with this statement.

See the PM.

 

[HINYG8]

7389 & 7399.

I'm still not following your logic.

At USC multiple administrators were involved in multiple sports over multiple years. It became obvious the administration had to be branded as complicit if for no reason other than it became clear USC was failing to control (and monitor) the actions of members of the programs appropriately. Worse yet, in some cases the staff was directly involved. The time tables were so extended because it took the NCAA forever because there were so many angles to chase down. The Bush family hitting the agent jack pot. McKnight's recruiting calls, various cars, shared rent for Jarrett, OJ Mayo getting cash from the HC, and on and on...

At OSU there was ONE OSU administrator involved and he is gone. Everything was self reported and no connection between anyone else inside the program has been established and no other sports were involved.

So why would the NCAA hit OSU with USC like penalties?

And I would think at some point, when it comes to deciding if the program 'should have known' and done something...the amount of money involved becomes relevant. If I hand you 10 bucks: who around you would be able to tell you came in to some extra money? If I hand you $100,0000 bucks..who around you wouldn't notice?

Given that..let's start a new game show. It's called YOUR CHOICE. We put all of the money and value of OSU's extra benefits in one envelope and the money and value of USC's violations in another and contestants win by keeping the contents of the envelope they pick. So which one do you want?

And least we forget the OSU kids sold their own stuff. There was a sad story out of PSU involving a wrestler charged with rape. The good news is he didn't sell his NC ring...so as far as the NCAA is concerned he is good to go. I am sure PSU will suspend him while the charges are resolved...but clearly perspective has been lost when OSU is front page news for months, portrayed as ALL THAT IS WRONG WITH COLLEGE ATHLETICS..while real crimes are being committed.

Maybe I am not reading your posts correctly but it sounds like you are spinning...and hard. What I am hearing from you is..*you* don't think OSU should be punished severely, but at the same time you expect the NCAA may decide to do so anyway because they can paint it how ever they want. So you don't think OSU should get the stick, but think the NCAA will ignore logic. You think the NCAA will act with intent beyond the facts at hand and hammer OSU anyway... even thought the nature of the violations and the facts of the situation suggest OSU shouldn't be hit harder than they have.

Maybe it is me, but it all sounds a bit disingenuous.

So you are against it, but "fear" the NCAA may decide to turn JT's situation into an indictment of the entire OSU football program because..... they won't be logical in their response?

Unless the NCAA issues a public statement saying THE NEXT PROGRAM WITH EXTRA BENEFITS IS GETTING SUBMARINED TO SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE TO OTHERS..it is foolish, IMO, to expect the NCAA to make an example of anyone. Consider a stretch of highway that experiences a rash of speeding. I am the 100th person caught this week. The judge gave the previous 99 offenders the minimal fine. However, he has had enough and decides to make an example of me and puts me in jail for a year. An over the top response that extends beyond reason in an effort to reduce the number of speeders. How on earth does that make sense? Why should my punishment be affected by those who did the same before me? Why should I be punished for their actions? Why should my penalty exceed what is reasonable for the nature of the offense?

Further, why should the severity of OSU's penalty be adjusted because others have broken the rules before us? If you think the penalties are not an effective deterrent and something should be done then change the rules and let us all know BEFORE it changes how penalties are constructed.

All involved at OSU have experienced the repercussions of their actions. JT is gone. Pryor is gone. The others are either sitting for 5 games or are also gone. So why are you expecting worse from the NCAA..even if you agree it isn't' warranted?

Apologies if I am misinterpreting your comments and forgive me if I am suspicious of non-Buckeyes these days..I have spent the last 6 months watching outsiders do their damnedest to take my Alma Matter down. The Ohio State University is bigger than any of them... because they stoop too low to reach so high.

 

[TDunk]

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[CONGERSBUCKEYE]

punishment

Sure they would. They take benefits their freshman year, when they will still have to wait 2 years for the draft.

Why would the NFL care enough to get involved?

My point is the school/coach is held responsible for an individual or individuals action that are teenagers. This is what keeps most parents up at night and let alone having many that are brought from different incomes and environments. Add on to that coaches can not even be in contact with them for several months. Some will say that the school or coach can suspend them or kick them out of school. They then can do a Cam Newton and have other options and become a number one pick. That is a good story and happy for him to turn his life around but my point is this is not a deterent. Then the team does not win and the coach is fired. The "stars" are the leaders of the team. If they other players see them taking extra benefits then why would I not try as well. Most "stars" of major programs are the ones that agents or runners want to be associated with to build that relationship for the future. I am pretty sure that Zach D had a different experience than Braxton. Most "stars" have dreams or ambitions of going pro. The only way to crush or prevent them from taking that benefit is by the NFL helping colleges with policies to prevent them from being drafted. The NFL should want to be involved because it will give them a more educated player coming in and also NCAA is their Minor League system. It is shown that playing in the NFL is a privelage and not a right.