Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Coqui]

Whatever....scUM still hasn't defeated Ohio State in over 2700 days.

As for the rest of it, take your medicine and get on with it already.

See my sig.

 

[Mike80]

Say the Tat-5 didn't play vs. Miami - and the miraculous happens and Miami somehow manages to find a way to win... crazy talk, I know.

But who is to say that if Miami wins that game, that it gives them some confidence and is the key to them going on a run and having a really great year?

We'll never know because Jim Tressel chose to knowingly play ineligible players.

There are an awful lot of variables and hypotheticals for anyone to ever know for sure, and that's exactly why this is such a shitty deal for everyone involved.

Miami wasn't that good. Even if they do miracle their way to a win in Columbus, Shannon never had control of their locker room and Jacory Harris would have been exposed at some other point in the year.

 

[Mike80]

Played their way into the Sugar Bowl by knowingly using 5 (or more) ineligible players.

Without Pryor, Boom and the rest, do you think tOSU would have gone 11-1?

Actually, yes. The only games that were truly a struggle were Penn State and Iowa, both of which would have come after any such suspension.

Unless, that is, you're desperately holding onto your "Miami could've won" theory....

 

[IronBuckI]

Now, Ironbuck, that is a hell of a good point in favor of an NCAA blind eye no matter the disclosure. I'll grant you that there was great pressure on them to have that game with those players. No question. I guess where I differ is in the certainty that they would have given a TV ratings eligibility gift in light of a 10.1.

Hell, anything's possible.

Again, just me continuing to see the dark side here, but my line of thinking is that they may have suspended the coach, but kept the players eligible, because of the lack of education excuse. Afterall, the poor uneducated players didn't commit the 10.1.

 

[IronBuckI]

Say the Tat-5 didn't play vs. Miami - and the miraculous happens and Miami somehow manages to find a way to win... crazy talk, I know.

But who is to say that if Miami wins that game, that it gives them some confidence and is the key to them going on a run and having a really great year?

We'll never know because Jim Tressel chose to knowingly play ineligible players.

There are an awful lot of variables and hypotheticals for anyone to ever know for sure, and that's exactly why this is such a shitty deal for everyone involved.

Since you put it that way. Jim Tressel knowingly playing ineligible players, and setting Miami back another decade from "being back" was actually a service to all of college football, and all should be forgiven for any transgressions.

 

[Gatorubet]

The "what ifs" can get pretty crazy. Hell, if TP sits five games, then the always unpredictable Football Gods may have thrown injuries at the starting second and/or third string QBs that kept them out until after TP came back! Weirder things than a freak injury to a backup QB have happened - what happens then? But I think I said something like "likely would not have the win loss record", and that was wrong now that I look at the first five games. Smoov, no way Miami wins that game. Looks like tOSU could have won the first five for sure.

But then, TP does not have the reps as he steps in in game six. Who freaking knows?

 

[Gatorubet]

Since you put it that way. Jim Tressel knowingly playing ineligible players, and setting Miami back another decade from "being back" was actually a service to all of college football, and all should be forgiven for any transgressions.

Finally - a theory I can buy into wholeheartedly.

 

[jwinslow]

Weirder things than a freak injury to a backup QB have happened - what happens then?

They base the offense around the RBs like they did the last two novembers, which let the offense take off

But then, TP does not have the reps as he steps in in game six. Who freaking knows?

He's also a lot healthier, something he hasn't been since his freshman year. There's more what ifs than you can imagine.

 

[SmoovP]

Let's see, OSU v Miami:

Pryor
12/27, 223 yards, 1 td
20 carries for 113 yards, 1 td
That comes to 336 yards and 2 tds

Herron
14 carries for 66 yards, 1 td
1 catch for 47 yards
That comes to 113 and a td

Posey
4 catches for 105 yards

That's virtually the entire offensive production.


I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Miami stands at least a shot at winning that game.

 

[jlb1705]

Let's see, OSU v Miami:

Pryor
12/27, 223 yards, 1 td
20 carries for 113 yards, 1 td
That comes to 336 yards and 2 tds

Herron
14 carries for 66 yards, 1 td
1 catch for 47 yards
That comes to 113 and a td

Posey
4 catches for 105 yards

That's virtually the entire offensive production.


I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Miami stands at least a shot at winning that game.

You point out those players as if Ohio State would not have been allowed to replace them in the lineup. Meanwhile, none of the players you brought up had anything to do with the way Jacorky Harris played, which was the main difference between the two teams IRL.

 

[Coqui]

Wrong game nevermind

 

[osugrad21]

Let's see, OSU v Miami:

Pryor
12/27, 223 yards, 1 td
20 carries for 113 yards, 1 td
That comes to 336 yards and 2 tds

Herron
14 carries for 66 yards, 1 td
1 catch for 47 yards
That comes to 113 and a td

Posey
4 catches for 105 yards

That's virtually the entire offensive production.


I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Miami stands at least a shot at winning that game.

Sweet. I'll give you that one.

Now, my scenario involves all of those players returning to a 4-1 team (Miami squeaked it out) and everyone is absolutely fired up to destroy the college football world. They annihilate Wisky and Iowa doesn't come close...PSU has no Moxy.

Same record...and a steamroller coming to Nawlins.

This game is fun :)

 

[SmoovP]

You point out those players as if Ohio State would not have been allowed to replace them in the lineup. Meanwhile, none of the players you brought up had anything to do with the way Jacorky Harris played, which was the main difference between the two teams IRL.

So, it's your position that it is a 100% certainty that OSU beats Miami last year if quarterback Terrelle Pryor, running back Dan Herron, receiver DeVier Posey, tackle Mike Adams and defensive end Solomon Thomas hadn't played?

Ok. Got it.

 

[Gatorubet]

So, it's your position that it is a 100% certainty that OSU beats Miami last year if quarterback Terrelle Pryor, running back Dan Herron, receiver DeVier Posey, tackle Mike Adams and defensive end Solomon Thomas hadn't played?

Ok. Got it.

I don't think it 100%. But pretty f-in' likely. Miami was not a good ball club Smoove, and had Tress not taken his foot off the gas it would have been even worse, if I recall correctly. TOSU's D was not going to lose to Harris. The offense would have scored enough to win, IMO, even if the outcome was not 100% sure.

 

[SmoovP]

Sweet. I'll give you that one.

Now, my scenario involves all of those players returning to a 4-1 team (Miami squeaked it out) and everyone is absolutely fired up to destroy the college football world. They annihilate Wisky and Iowa doesn't come close...PSU has no Moxy.

Same record...and a steamroller coming to Nawlins.

This game is fun :)

That's exactly my point.

We don't know, and never will, because Coach Tressel knowingly choose to play outside the rules of the game.

That's why the wins have to be vacated.

Vacating wins is restitution - as it were, but it is not punishment.

Punishment should be loss of scholarships and/or a post-season ban.