Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[NFBuck]

If Tress had to go, so does the whole AD...if you're going to start, you my as well finish big.

There needs to be wholesale changes made...and it needs to start at the top. And I'm not just talking about Tressel. There are failures at every level here...

 

[3074326]

28 over 8 years is an insane amount?

24 since 2008, including some big names on the current roster. Considering each one of those is a violation, yes, I consider that an "insane" amount. My wording wasn't the point, however. I don't get how people keep downplaying it. Just because it didn't end the world doesn't mean it isn't really bad.

But I guess since it isn't "everyone," it's ok. Nothing to see here. Tressel still did nothing wrong and the players deserved to trade their belongings for weed, cars, money and tattoos. No story at all.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

this is worth a hearty chuckle:

The latter interpretation is suggested by a story that has long circulated among college coaches and was confirmed to SI by a former colleague of Tressel's from Earle Bruce's staff at Ohio State in the mid-1980s. One of Tressel's duties then was to organize and run the Buckeyes' summer camp. Most of the young players who attended it would never play college football, but a few were top prospects whom Ohio State was recruiting. At the end of camp, attendees bought tickets to a raffle with prizes such as cleats and a jersey. According to his fellow assistant, Tressel rigged the raffle so that the elite prospects won -- a potential violation of NCAA rules. Says the former colleague, who asked not to be identified because he still has ties to the Ohio State community, "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel."

i can see it now...

tipster: "george, i've got something really juicy on tressel from his time as an assistant coach in the 80s. you're going to love this."

dohrmann: "fantastic! i'd love to hear it. lay it on me. don't leave out any details."

tipster: "okay. we used to have these raffles, see, after these football camps. those in the crowd would buy the raffle tickets."

dohrmann: "interesting. i bet the tickets were expensive."

tipster: "2 bucks."

dohrmann: "oh."

tipster: "it gets better, george. the kids at the camp would get the prizes. but, see, tressel would rig it so that the very best players would win the prizes."

dohrmann: "now we're onto something here. what were the players winning? i bet the prizes were really big and expensive. televisions? ataris? trips? what... what were they?"

tipster: "no. $30 shoes and $15 jerseys."

dohrmann: "oh. okay. have a good one."

 

[woofermazing]

Please. Only in the asinine world of college sports is selling your own property equal to murder. In the real world they simply call it good business. Like I've said before, if this is the worst they can dig up then I'll go on record and say that Tressel ran the cleanest program at a big time school. Hell they don't even have any proof, just the word of people whom we already know have questionable character.

I hope these "hard hitting" journalists take their asses down to SEC country next.

The problem is if you talk in SEC country, you don't live much longer...:tongue2:

It's our fault really, we're too civilized.

 

[Buckeye86]

24 since 2008, including some big names on the current roster.

But I guess since it isn't "everyone," it's ok. Nothing to see here. Tressel still did nothing wrong and the players deserved to trade their belongings for weed, cars, money and tattoos. No story at all.

Tressel's gone, Gene Smith should be gone soon along with the entire compliance staff. Clean house for sure, but this story has no teeth as far as I'm concerned. Particularly since it seems highly unlikely that many of the accusations can be proved. The FBI investigation that the initial allegations were based on didn't uncover any of it. Do you think the NCAA is going to be able to uncover anything that the FBI was unable to?

 

[MaxBuck]

The SI article makes a big deal out of the idea that Jim Tressel has made himself ignorant of potential rule violations by his players.

If true, this is shocking. We all know that D1A head coaches commonly make it a practice to strenuously ferret out any violations in their programs, no matter how minor.

 

[Deety]

then why did he quit?

Head coach isn't a position where actions and consequences are going to be in tight correlation. Most major decisions at top levels, be they at universities, companies, or in politics, are made or strongly influenced by very small numbers of powerful people. Those people can get it right or they can get it wrong, but ultimately decisions come down to a few personal perspectives.

I see consequences-by-rules and the consequences-by-politics as two separate beasts entirely, for while they may react the the same situation they do so under very different assumptions and roles. The latter is what we saw today; the former won't be clear until after the NCAA hearing in August.

 

[craigblitz]

Wow the writer went out of his way to make Tress look bad. Even if all the stuff is true I am not sure it is any worse then I thought it would be or what I thought was going on. Also, some of the main sources for the article are questionable at best.

And dear lord Glenville kids, learn to say no comment once in a while....

 

[OhioState001]

this is worth a hearty chuckle:

i can see it now...

tipster: "george, i've got something really juicy on tressel from his time as an assistant coach in the 80s. you're going to love this."

dohrmann: "fantastic! i'd love to hear it. lay it on me. don't leave out any details."

tipster: "okay. we used to have these raffles, see, after these football camps. those in the crowd would buy the raffle tickets."

dohrmann: "interesting. i bet the tickets were expensive."

tipster: "2 bucks."

dohrmann: "oh."

tipster: "it gets better, george. the kids at the camp would get the prizes. but, see, tressel would rig it so that the very best players would win the prizes."

dohrmann: "now we're onto something here. what were the players winning? i bet the prizes were really big and expensive. televisions? ataris? trips? what... what were they?"

tipster: "no. $30 shoes and $15 jerseys."

dohrmann: "oh. okay. have a good one."

Exactly its probably some bitter dad at the camp whose son never got an OSU offer. One of the top players won a raffle !!! Tressel is satan!!!

 

[TDG]

Very disappointing. I know that we're a big-time college football program so as a pragmatic guy I assumed that there was some rule-breaking going on behind the scenes and that Tressel was at least turning a blind eye to it all, but still, sad to have it confirmed.

Hopefully we've now learned the full extent of things and we can begin to learn lessons, clean things up, and move on. I do not envy Luke Fickell or any of his higher-ups right now, that's for sure.

 

[Jaxbuck]

i'm not sure how those two quotes are connected Jax. You go basically to make the argument that a tattoo isn't helping a kid out then go to another luxury item like a car. I'd say it's far more likely that he got straight up cash and then used it however he needed to.

That is exactly my point.

Rose talks about needing something, couldn't ask Mom etc etc etc.

Sure as hell doesn't sound like he's talking about a tattoo there does it? Sounds like he traded stuff for cold hard cash to me as well.

The second block quote is connected because its an example of a source that isn't one of these tattoo parlor scumbags, accusing a player of giving tickets for a car. In this case the Department of Justice if the author is to believed.

2 examples in the story of some pretty big deal type stuff and from what I see its open mic night at the BP bar to see who can be more dismissive of the article.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

I guess my hope of seeing a NC while I'm on campus is out the window... at least we've still got basketball.

 

[MaxBuck]

Says the former colleague, who asked not to be identified because he still has ties to the Ohio State community, "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel."

Even more "damaging" news. I'm absolutely certain this "former colleague" has no axe to grind.

 

[CHU]

Even though disappointing if true, a lot of this stuff in the SI articles seems hard to prove. Just statements from people.

So it could be viewed as he said vs. he said.

It's really hard to penalize without hard evidence (rather than statements). There needs to be hard evidence, not statements.

But Jim Tressel is no longer the coach, so I hope Ohio State has some sort of plan for the NCAA.

 

[3074326]

2 examples in the story of some pretty big deal type stuff and from what I see its open mic night at the BP bar to see who can be more dismissive of the article.

Can't say I'm really surprised.