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[kn1f3party]

Postmeditated, I believe he means.

Just meditated?

 

[matcar]

Please go [censored] yourself.

But seriously...

Every time he's apologized, it's been this "I'm sorry for what we've been thru" stuff, and not "I [censored]ed up. My b, brah".

I'd bet a good amount of similac that the whole story hasn't come out yet. I just hope it does.

First, apples n milk...not good. So I guess I don't like them apples.

It's possible that you are correct that the whole story hasn't come out yet. However, I doubt that if there IS more to the story, that it actually would make any of us feel better about the story. Personally, I'm hopeful this is the END of the story, not the beginning. Then we can accept the mistake, hope it's his last one, and hope he continues to do the kind of job we've come to expect of him.

 

[Tlangs]

I don't know if you've noticed, but I ain't exactly a rational motherfucker. How ya like them apples?

GPA

 

[heisman]

Sorry to take the discussion from breast milk... :)

Are there any historical situations where a head coach outed his own players for any type of violation? I said this earlier, but to me, this is like a father outing his own children if he caught them cheating on their homework or something. I'd probably kick the shit out of them, but I certainly wouldn't tell anyone about it.

 

[Gatorubet]

Sorry to take the discussion from breast milk... :)

Are there any historical situations where a head coach outed his own players for any type of violation?

You don't lead in self reported violations because of guilty feeling student athletes. You have good coaches and compliance people monitoring and reporting as each case warrants. I remember some nothing violation where Tress took two players to a game and that wound up being somehow a violation that was self reported. As to whether Tress himself or someone else finds those things and reports, I have no idea.

 

[Coqui]

That's MY breast milk you [censored]s!

Wait...not from my breasts.

Wait...I don't have breasts.

FML.

You can milk anything with nipples

 

[Saw31]

I have nipples. Could you milk me?

 

[heisman]

You don't lead in self reported violations because of guilty feeling student athletes. You have good coaches and compliance people monitoring and reporting as each case warrants. I remember some nothing violation where Tress took two players to a game and that wound up being somehow a violation that was self reported. As to whether Tress himself or someone else finds those things and reports, I have no idea.

The compliance dept. is vigilant. We aren't talking about the compliance dept. We also aren't talking about coaches reporting their own actions. Different animal. We are talking about father figures outing their own players. I've never heard of that happening.....EVER.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The compliance dept. is vigilant. We aren't talking about the compliance dept. We also aren't talking about coaches reporting their own actions. Different animal. We are talking about father figures outing their own players. I've never heard of that happening.....EVER.

Unfortunately, it's not the compliance department's job to monitor the players' behavior but rather ensure that everyone else follow the rules. Anyone assoicated with the athletic department (players, coaches, staff, etc.) has a NCAA-mandated obligation to report violations. If a coach finds out that a player did something against NCAA rules, that coach risks hell being unleashed if he/she doesn't report it, whether or not that coach is a parent-figure.

 

[heisman]

If a coach finds out that a player did something against NCAA rules, that coach risks hell being unleashed if he/she doesn't report it, whether or not that coach is a parent-figure.

Of course that's true Mil, and I totally agree in theory, but that's not the point. Name me a coach that has ever outed his own player for some type of violation. It's never happened. They are going to handle that stuff internally, and that comes from someone who has played the game at a high level and been through it before.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The compliance dept. is vigilant. We aren't talking about the compliance dept. We also aren't talking about coaches reporting their own actions. Different animal. We are talking about father figures outing their own players. I've never heard of that happening.....EVER.

Lou Holtz suspended his best 2 players the night before the 1978 Orange Bowl if memory serves. You'd have to ask them for the specifics and if it was a father figure outing his son type scenario. I am almost positive it was over a curfew violation as the story goes.

In fact, speaking of former Buckeye Holtz, I see him widely panned as a dirty coach for the way he left ND and USC. The ND situation is eerily similar to what we have going down right now at OSU where Holtz was nailed by the NCAA for failing to act when he and his staff found out about violations. Holtz ended up walking away from a lifetime contract without ever saying why. I'm sure Domers were torn on wondering if Holtz was taking one for the school or something more pragmatic.

Interesting parallel the more I think about it.

 

[heisman]

Lou Holtz suspended his best 2 players the night before the 1978 Orange Bowl if memory serves. You'd have to ask them for the specifics and if it was a father figure outing his son type scenario. I am almost positive it was over a curfew violation as the story goes.

Yes, coaches suspend their own players all the time. Again, that's just proving my point. That's what coaches do...all of them...they handle this stuff internally. How many times have you heard, "Player "x" has been suspended for "violation of team rules."?

Again, name me one time when any kind of NCAA violation involving an athlete has ever been reported to the NCAA by said athlete's head coach. Again, not saying it's right or wrong, just saying its never happened.

 

[SmoovP]

Again, name me one time when any kind of NCAA violation involving an athlete has ever been reported to the NCAA by said athlete's head coach.

You can't be serious.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

You can't be serious.

It's kind of embarrassing how many dumb things you read on the internet written by people you consider peers.

 

[Gatorubet]

Yes, coaches suspend their own players all the time. Again, that's just proving my point. That's what coaches do...all of them...they handle this stuff internally. How many times have you heard, "Player "x" has been suspended for "violation of team rules."?

That is fine if its a team rule. You are mixing up those situations with violations of NCAA rules. You miss class, the coach can suspend you for team rules violations. You skip mandatory team meetings, same thing. Neither of them are violations of NCAA rules. You hire an agent, you take money from a booster, you receive an impermissible benefit by selling your autographed Jersey for free tattoos, those are all NCAA Rules violations. Different rules for different factual scenarios.

Again, name me one time when any kind of NCAA violation involving an athlete has ever been reported to the NCAA by said athlete's head coach. Again, not saying it's right or wrong, just saying its never happened.

I'm not sure what you do not "get". If a violation occurs, the institution reports the rules violation. Even if it was the head coach who found out about it. There is no category for "Head coach" versus "Assistant Coach" or "Offensive Coordinator" versus "Head of Compliance". If an NCAA rule has been violated, you notify compliance and the institution prepares a self report to the NCAA. You keep asking for some kind of verification that a head coach was the one dropping the dime on the player. Had Tress done what he was supposed to have done, he would not have called up the NCAA, "Look, this is Tress, I have a violation for you..."

Instead, he should have notified compliance of an allegation of NCAA rules violation. He could have done some sort of investigation first, of course, or just handed it to compliance. What you still don't get is that there is a "duty to investigate". That is separate from the duty to report. Of course, if you do not investigate, then it is far more likely that you will never report...which is sorta the point on the duty to investigate.

What you are saying in demanding a reported case of a head coach "catching" a player is a red herring. The foremost reason is because the "tracking" mechanism of reported violations has no separate box for "turned in by Head Coach". Secondly, it is a false predicate. It matters little who first found it, so long as the head coach knew and passed it on to compliance. How many times has a head coach first found out of a problem from teachers - or deans - or assistants - or girlfriends - or fellow players - or parents - or whatever/whoever? Finding out "first" is unimportant. More relevant is this, how many times was a problem brought to a head coach, and then that coach either investigated and then bumped up to compliance, or simply listened to the story, and then bumped up to compliance?

All we will ever know - usually - is a brief paragraph submitted by the PR wing of the institution saying "University of X sent a letter to the NCAA reporting that it became aware of potential rules violations in the (fill in season) of (fill in year). Coach Y and the University have no comment on the matter and will respond at the appropriate time, but Athletic Director Z reports that the University's internal compliance department became aware of alleged improprieties, that an investigation was performed, and that as a result of this internal investigation two student athletes were suspended."

That is it. That is what happens. Asking for some list of "head coaches who were the only only ones to ever know" will never be forthcoming, largely because most coaches report it like the NCAA rules demand, at least if it is any one of the big NCAA rules having to do with money or agents or academic fraud. They do this out of fear of the NCAA mostly, not moral fiber.

Weed and DUIs and traffic offenses and sleeping late, and losing playbooks, and missing class, and curfew violations all of those are within the coaches ability to handle in house.

Money and agent stuff ain't.