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Wrestling Chat (WWF, WWE, WCW, etc.)

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Crump's brother said:
Agreed on all points.

the best anti-Cena moment was when he threw his shirt into the crowd and it was thrown back.
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:lol: Never saw that before



I used to cheer for the faces that couldn't wrestle when I was growing up, but I definitely gravitated more towards good wrestlers as I got older. You can only see the same damn 5 moves so many times before a superstar gets old. A good wrestler will still use some fan favorite moves each match, but their entire repertoire isn't made up of punches and kicks. Good wrestlers understand how to pace a match as well and how to sell moves. John Cena can't do any of these things.

His matches have always been pretty similar: get beat up, throw some punches and kicks in, launch comeback and hit his "u can't see me" shit and an FU/AA (Or STFU). He got better at selling opponent moves later in his career, but I wouldn't say he does a great job of it still. Best example I can think of is a match he had with HBK several years ago. HBK was working on Cena's knee most of the match I think, it was pretty obvious, but Cena never showed any signs of pain on that knee during the match. He'd flinch as a hold was being applied to it, or if it was being kicked, but as soon as he stood up he was Superman.
 
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I'm not sure you can compare Cena and Austin. Both were top draws for the company, and I guess their WWE matches are pretty similar, but they achieved in very different ways.
Austin was somewhere between a baby-face and a heel, but won over the fans with his attitude and promos. Cena started as some rapping muscle head that started getting pushed regardless of fan distaste.
Austin was trained by Chris Adams and learned/worked his way through regional promotions before hitting WCW, ECW, then WWE. Cena was a body builder that went through OVW which has put out a lot of crappy talent.
Austin was more technically sound earlier in his career, Cena has never been more than a 5 move monkey.
Austin could pull off a heel or a face and still have the fans. I'm not sure WWE has really tried Cena as a heel (Maybe near '02 when he started? My memory is bad), and I don't think he's good enough to pull it off....he'd lose the kids, and those are his entire fan base.
Austin never really lost the appeal of the fans, Cena's never fully had it.
 
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Mike80 said:
By the time Austin got to the main event level his skills were in decline, but when he was in WCW he was a very good wrestler...
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Equal parts his knees and the style of wrestling. As time went on th er e were fewer guys who could do a 20 minute match, and the Attitude Era fans weren't into it anyway.

I genuinely miss matches being called like sporting events.
 
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Crump's brother said:
Equal parts his knees and the style of wrestling. As time went on th er e were fewer guys who could do a 20 minute match, and the Attitude Era fans weren't into it anyway.

I genuinely miss matches being called like sporting events.
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The neck injury didn't help matters (and that was ultimately what he retired from). The neck injury probably took 5 years off his career if not more and probably an active role later on.

I am somewhat surprised he wasn't used in the DX/NWO mashup during the HHH/Sting match...it would have been perfect to have him come down and cost HHH the match and then afterward put a stunner on Sting and drink some beer :biggrin:
 
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Mike80 said:
The neck injury didn't help matters (and that was ultimately what he retired from). The neck injury probably took 5 years off his career if not more and probably an active role later on.

I am somewhat surprised he wasn't used in the DX/NWO mashup during the HHH/Sting match...it would have been perfect to have him come down and cost HHH the match and then afterward put a stunner on Sting and drink some beer :biggrin:
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Yeah, I forgot about what that nugget did to him...no way HHH lets him steal his Thunder (pun intended)
 
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There are reports circulating that Austin was suppose to be involved at Mania, but he and Vince had an argument so he declined invitations. Something to do with how Vince was using his Podcast on The Network.

@BuckeyeNation27, Austin was with WCW for about 4 years, then ECW for a year, and then debuted with WWE. There's a whole back story as to why when Bischoff came to WWE, the ran the angle with Austin getting a match with him. It was because Bischoff legit fired him via fax back in the day while he was out with an injury. Heyman came along and offered Austin a job with ECW to come and run promos bad mouthing WCW and he did. That's when Vince took a liking to him.
 
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