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WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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OSU analysis: Tressel, Buckeyes learn the downside of freshman QB gamble

by Doug Lesmerises Sunday October 26, 2008, 7:34 PM


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Marvin Fong/The Plain DealerOvercome with frustration and disappointment, Terrelle Pryor (2) can't stand with his Ohio State teammates for the post-game singing of Carmen, Ohio following Saturday night's 13-6 loss to Penn State at Ohio Stadium.
COLUMBUS -- It was the quarterback who lost the fumble, the kid who crouched down and couldn't bear to stand for Carmen, Ohio; the quarterback who threw the interception, the kid who sat alone on the bench afterward; the quarterback who contributed to the crushing loss and the kid who has to deal with it. If Ohio State coach Jim Tressel didn't think both the quarterback and the kid were ready for this, ready for the most prominent position in Ohio sports, then he never should have named Terrelle Pryor his starting quarterback. Because at times like this, you can't separate the quarterback from the kid.
In Saturday night's 13-6 loss to Penn State, Pryor did exactly what you'd expect of an athletically gifted, fiercely competitive 19-year-old who had never tasted failure before. He tried to do too much. Before he bounced outside on a fourth-quarter sneak, Pryor knew he'd catch heat for it. He did it anyway. Tressel should have known it, too.
"I figured I'd take a chance," Pryor said Saturday night. "I knew I'd probably get in trouble in the film room, but I wanted to make a play."

To their credit, every Buckeye stood up and backed their quarterback and the kid.

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Buckeyes' Pryor heaps blame for loss on himself
Monday, October 27, 2008
By Todd Porter
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

COLUMBUS His eyes red and watered, his spirit crushed and his confidence cracked like never before, Terrelle Pryor sat before reporters after midnight Sunday morning. His voice trailed off, even cracked at times, but Pryor faced the music.

And he accepted full responsibility for Ohio State's 13-6 loss to Penn State on Saturday night. The defeat set the Buckeyes back to 13th in the Associated Press poll. Pryor fumbled on a quarterback sneak late in the game, a turnover that Penn State turned into the game's only touchdown.

Pryor was also picked off on a long heave for the end zone late. The ball was underthrown.

"When you turn the ball over two times in a game ... everyone says it's not my fault, but when you look at it, it is," Pryor said. "The fumble put pressure on our defense. The defense could've stopped them and made them kick a 3-pointer, but that's not how it happened. (Penn State) only had to drive 40 yards. ... Then the pick at the end. I should have known not to throw the ball there. ... Yes, the game is on me."

The fumble was a designed sneak up the middle. Pryor noticed the Nittany Lions defensive front pinched inside. He believed if he got around the safety, Mark Rubin, he could score a touchdown. Instead, Pryor improvised even after, he admitted, he could have gotten the first down on a half-yard sneak.

"They knew the quarterback sneak was coming," Pryor said. "I knew I had the edge and all I had to do was beat No. 9 (Rubin), and I got stripped.
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this was Terrelle's best game yet as a passer. He's improving his reads, and other than his last pass, made good decisions with the ball.
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I have to disagree with you. Our receivers were coming back to many of the passes. He was throwing too many jump balls. I can't recall how many of his receivers he hit "in stride". I would like to see him overthrow some receivers and have them try to catch up to the passes.

Also, I can't say he is making good reads from watching games on TV. I can not see the whole field and see who is open and who is not. Just because he is completing passes, it does not mean he is making the correct reads.

With all that being said, I think it's a good thing that TP is our QB. I want him out there to learn how to be a passer and not just a runner. Sometimes it's not easy watching him take his lumps as he learns. I would rather see a Freshman make these mistakes as he is learning then watch a Senior make these mistakes who should know better.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp;1307230; said:
I have to disagree with you. Our receivers were coming back to many of the passes. He was throwing too many jump balls. I can't recall how many of his receivers he hit "in stride". I would like to see him overthrow some receivers and have them try to catch up to the passes.

Also, I can't say he is making good reads from watching games on TV. I can not see the whole field and see who is open and who is not. Just because he is completing passes, it does not mean he is making the correct reads.

With all that being said, I think it's a good thing that TP is our QB. I want him out there to learn how to be a passer and not just a runner. Sometimes it's not easy watching him take his lumps as he learns. I would rather see a Freshman make these mistakes as he is learning then watch a Senior make these mistakes who should know better.
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Jimmy Clausen did many of the same things last year. Give Pryor time and great things will happen.
 
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I said it in another thread, but it bears repeating here. I was at the game and live you can see what is going on outside of the camera view.

His passing has a lot of room for improvement in the speed and delivery (in some cases). He waits a long time before initiating the pass. His reads are good, and he checks down good, but needs to get a little quicker on the trigger. I have no doubt this will come with reps. Always does.

Second, he very seldom delivers the ball with zip. This exacerbates the above issue. Receivers seem to have to wait on the ball a very long time, giving the defense time to react. This is probably why we aren't seeing intermediate routs. Floating the ball over the middle of the field is a recipe for disaster. I don't think this is a skill problem though. I think it has more to do with confidance. He's a quarterback and he has great arm strength, so he definitely has the ability to rifile the ball when needed. I think he's trying too hard to be accurate and that will slow the ball. Again, I think this improves with time.

Finally, he underthrows the long ball. On every ball more than 15 yards down field, the receiver had to come back to the ball. Off the top of my head, I remember four of these throws. Two incompletions, a great catch by Robo, and the end int. Again, this isn't an arm strength issue, TP did over throw Robo on a post pattern last week. He needs to just find his target.

The bright side is, I think all of these issues are workable. I'm optomistic.

-z
 
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I said this in a different thread. But lets use Colt McCoy from Texas as an example. Remember a couple of years ago when we got after him at Texas? Look at the kid now, one of the hottest QB's in the country. This is a great learning year for him and he will do great things in the future!
 
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Zander42 said:
I said it in another thread, but it bears repeating here. I was at the game and live you can see what is going on outside of the camera view.

His passing has a lot of room for improvement in the speed and delivery (in some cases). He waits a long time before initiating the pass. His reads are good, and he checks down good, but needs to get a little quicker on the trigger. I have no doubt this will come with reps. Always does.

Second, he very seldom delivers the ball with zip. This exacerbates the above issue. Receivers seem to have to wait on the ball a very long time, giving the defense time to react. This is probably why we aren't seeing intermediate routs. Floating the ball over the middle of the field is a recipe for disaster. I don't think this is a skill problem though. I think it has more to do with confidance. He's a quarterback and he has great arm strength, so he definitely has the ability to rifile the ball when needed. I think he's trying too hard to be accurate and that will slow the ball. Again, I think this improves with time.

Finally, he underthrows the long ball. On every ball more than 15 yards down field, the receiver had to come back to the ball. Off the top of my head, I remember four of these throws. Two incompletions, a great catch by Robo, and the end int. Again, this isn't an arm strength issue, TP did over throw Robo on a post pattern last week. He needs to just find his target.

The bright side is, I think all of these issues are workable. I'm optomistic.

-z
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the mercury space missions had less air under them than pryors passes...
 
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Troy Smith's numbers as a junior vs. PSU:

13/25 for 139 yards and INT.
19 rushes for 15 yards, 1 TD and game-ending fumble.

Terrelle Pryor's numbers as a true freshman vs. PSU:

16/25 for 226 yards and game-ending INT.
9 rushes for 6 yards.

In both games, there were major issues with the offensive line that caused a complete collapse of the running game. But it looks like Pryor fared better than Troy in the passing department. So for those complaining about Pryor's passing, take a moment to think about that.
 
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Tresselbeliever said:
Troy Smith's numbers as a junior vs. PSU:

13/25 for 139 yards and INT.
19 rushes for 15 yards, 1 TD and game-ending fumble.

Terrelle Pryor's numbers as a true freshman vs. PSU:

16/25 for 226 yards and game-ending INT.
9 rushes for 6 yards.

In both games, there were major issues with the offensive line that caused a complete collapse of the running game. But it looks like Pryor fared better than Troy in the passing department. So for those complaining about Pryor's passing, take a moment to think about that.
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05 was a driving rain storm and 35 degrees.
 
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