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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

There is no doubt in my mind that Ginn would be an awesome corner. He was defensive player of the year as a HS senior and would be a terrific Big 10 corner, perhaps even an All-American. And Michael Vick could probably be a damn good corner too. Truly great athletes are like that. They can excel in many different ways.

But it was poor judgment having Gamble play corner full-time. It would be ridiculous to have Michael Vick play corner full-time. And it would be criminal to have Teddy Ginn play corner full-time, even if, like Gamble, he says he wants to and can handle the extra snaps.
 
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bucknuts44820 = moose? :biggrin:

I just don't know why so many here insist on moving him to, or at least using him occaisonally at, corner. Ginn had all summer to move himself up into the 2-deep at corner and couldn't. He did work himself up into the 2-deep at WR, and now is a starter there. While Ginn could possibly turn into a very good, or even excellent, corner, there are no words to describe his potential on offense.



Oricus said:
IMHO I think Gamble turned out to be a better cornerback than a wide receiver.

That's because Gamble was an average, at best, receiver.
 
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gost8 said:
I don't know how to answer that. Although I am sure Ginn would be fine as a DB, I have not seen him play the position yet. I find it hard to say he would be a great DB because he has great speed. As was said in the original post, it is tough to play both ways, along with special teams. IMO leave him where he is.
Well, I agree he HAS to be on offense and ST. From what I have read about the players comments, Ginn would make an excellant shutdown corner.
 
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Hey MegaWoody,

First and foremost, Teddy gaining ten punds of muscle will not slow him down a bit. On the contrary, it will help him run faster because of his current thin frame. This might not work for every one because they are not Teddy. I gain thirty three pounds in bootcamp, and my forty time improved from 4.6 to 4.4 because I had plenty of room to gain!!! My leg muscles were bigger and stronger, just as Teddy have already commented if you trained properly. Besides Teddy, the strength coach, the track coach, and Teddy's father have more knowledge in this area than a normal fan like you and me. It will also help prevent future injury due to larger muscle mass to protect the bones.

As for Teddy playing defense and might get hurt...well you can get hurt more easily in offense (WR) than being a DB because more defender are after you when you are Teddy Ginn! Can he get hurt playing defense next year? Sure he can, and so what. Greatness comes from taking on challenges and do the best that you can...not from fear of injury. Let the coaches, Teddy and his parents decide.
 
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Buckeye1 said:
First and foremost, Teddy gaining ten punds of muscle will not slow him down a bit. On the contrary, it will help him run faster because of his current thin frame. This might not work for every one because they are not Teddy.

Just because it worked for you, or it works for others, doesn't mean it will work for him. Although his legs look thin in a football uniform, if you watch his track highlights, he does have fairly thick legs, especially thighs, for his frame. If he gains weight on his upper frame, it could slow him down...if he tries to build his legs up to comensate for gained weight in his upper frame, that too could slow him down. He's been training for speed ever since he joined high school, so he knows what he needs to do for speed gains...simply bulking is not the answer.
 
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If he gets bigger he WILL get faster!

MililaniBuckeye said:
Just because it worked for you, or it works for others, doesn't mean it will work for him. Although his legs look thin in a football uniform, if you watch his track highlights, he does have fairly thick legs, especially thighs, for his frame. If he gains weight on his upper frame, it could slow him down...if he tries to build his legs up to comensate for gained weight in his upper frame, that too could slow him down. He's been training for speed ever since he joined high school, so he knows what he needs to do for speed gains...simply bulking is not the answer.
10-15 lbs of muscle/weight gain will only make him faster!

HAYN
 
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the thing i love about all the ginn getting bigger threads is that a bunch of fatasses all of a sudden become personal trainers. ohio state has a world class s&c conditioning program they wont mess him up. but just to be safe we better stop working him completely relegating him to a couch all spring and summer just to be sure
 
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MegaWoody said:
Well, He (along with Mr. and Mrs. Ginn Sr.) has given us an unbelievable athlete who can do more damage to opposing teams on offense and kick returns than any player we've had at tOSU in my lifetime. That's good enough for me. I don't want him playing defense, where he doubles his injury exposure and could lose a step on offense or kick returns late in the game.
I dont know if TG is a good corner or not, but I am sure we will play him where ever he is needed the most. If he isnt a better corner than the other guys then he will play offense, if he is the best corner on the team, then he will probably play deffense. I say this for one reason, not because I think it is right, but because I belive that JT would rather have a great defense and a mediocre offense, than a good defense and a good offense.

MegaWoody said:
Our last Heisman candidate was Chris Gamble. I don't think we improved his chances of winning it by playing him 100+ plays a game simply because he could do it. He should have remained primarilly an offensive weapon and come in at corner only in very special circumstances. Over-using him on defense didn't win him the Heisman and, IMHO, didn't ultimately serve the best interests of the team in 2003. Remember the Wisky game?
Gamble remaining primarily on offense????? Did you watch the games in 2002?? How about the NC game?? Gamble was a shut down corner. He made a few mistakes, but he was DAMN good. We wouldn't have won the NC without him playing on defense. I may be the only one here that thinks like this but I couldn't give a shit about the heisman or any other personal award if it means that we lose a game for it. IF playing Ginn at corner means we win a NC, but he doesn't win the heisman then bring it on. Who wouldn't trade Eddie Georges heisman for a National Title?
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Just because it worked for you, or it works for others, doesn't mean it will work for him. Although his legs look thin in a football uniform, if you watch his track highlights, he does have fairly thick legs, especially thighs, for his frame. If he gains weight on his upper frame, it could slow him down...if he tries to build his legs up to comensate for gained weight in his upper frame, that too could slow him down. He's been training for speed ever since he joined high school, so he knows what he needs to do for speed gains...simply bulking is not the answer.
Mili,
Just because it did not work for you does not mean it will not work for him. BTW, I think Teddy knows himself more than any of us know him. Gaining weight/muscle mass is one thing but being trained properly at the same time is the key point here, which you seemed to missed my point. He himself said he can gain the weight and be faster if he is trained properly, so go tell him no and see what he will say to you ;-)
 
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Buckeye1 said:
...which you seemed to missed my point

I think you missed my point, when I said: "If he gains weight on his upper frame, it could slow him down...simply bulking is not the answer." Many folks want him to bulk up simply to be able to take hits better, and not to improve his speed...that is my point.
 
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When Ginn plays offense he amounts to being two players rather than one. Opposition will invariably put 2 men on him to contain or slow down. I think TG will continue to improve his effectiveness...timing, route discipline, decoy, ball handling.

He changes the game tempo so much on offense, one wonders how JT could or would keep him out of the loop.
 
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First of all, for the Teddy-needs-muscle posters, re-read my initial post: I said that I trusted his judgment on weight gain, assuming he and his coaches would monitor what the extra weight did to his speed and quickness. If more muscle equals more speed, I'm for it. It didn't help Billy Sims, but it might help Teddy.

Next, for this "Shut Down Corner" nonsense. First of all, where's your evidence that Teddy is an "SDC"? We know what he can do on offense, but you're making nothing but assumptions about what he can do on D. But, for the sake of argument, let's assume he is. What exactly is the principle benefit of a shut down corner? In man-to-man, it's to stop your opponent's best receiver; in zone, it's to take half the field away from your opponent's receiving corps. That's quite a contribution. But consider for a moment what Ted Ginn can do on offense. He can singlehandedly change the opponent's entire defensive scheme, across the board. Every defender has to worry about him on every play. That takes 11 men out of their gameplan, not just one. [If you don't believe me, ask Mike Shanahan if having "shut down corner" Champ Bailey was worth giving up Clinton Portis.]

Now for the revisionist historians who claim to remember Chris Gamble's career so clearly. His role in 2002 (yeah, sdgo, I watched a few of those games) was as a receiver who could periodically use his receiving skills to cover other receivers. It made him a scary interception threat and played a vital role in the NC campaign. His rare ability to contribute on both sides of the ball is why he was promoted so aggressively by tOSU as a Heisman candidate: "He does it all -- even sells hot dogs" But in 2003, when he played defense full time, he quickly fell off the Heisman radar screen. Playing receiver and occasionally coming in on defense put Chris Gamble on the map. Playing both ways fulltime made him a better corner to be sure, but it drastically limited his touches and probably cost him a fortune on his first pro contract. Would tOSU have been a better team if Gamble had played just 60 plays a game instead of 100+? I don't know, sdgo, and neither do you. But I suspect it would have.

And finally, on the subject of not giving
a shit about the heisman or any other personal award if it means that we lose a game for it
, sdgo, you are an idiot. Can you name a single Heisman winner who cost his team a game because of it? Did it piss you off when Eddie got his? Or Archie? Get over your self-righteous self.

TOSU has Division 1 caliber d-backs already and there are more coming next Fall. JT doesn't need to burn out (or injure) his brightest star by making him run wind-sprints against every corner and receiver he faces over a twelve game season. It would be nuts.
 
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MegaWoody said:
And finally, on the subject of not giving , sdgo, you are an idiot. Can you name a single Heisman winner who cost his team a game because of it? Did it piss you off when Eddie got his? Or Archie? Get over your self-righteous self.

TOSU has Division 1 caliber d-backs already and there are more coming next Fall. JT doesn't need to burn out (or injure) his brightest star by making him run wind-sprints against every corner and receiver he faces over a twelve game season. It would be nuts.
Hahaha no I cant name a single Heisman winner who cost his team a game because of it, but I want it to stay that way. I can very well be wrong, but the reason I came after your post was because I thought it sounded like a "Lets get a Heisman winner no matter what" kind of posts. I loved it when Eddie and Archie won the Heisman, and I hope Ginn wins it too, but IF we need Ginn at D-back more than we need him at WR then thats where he should be, Heisman or no Heisman. Again I don't know if Ginn is any good at DB or not, but if EJ Underwood is our #2 guy we have problems.
 
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This guy is the most exciting offensive player EVER at this University, and people are concerned about putting weight on him to make him better? Better than Who?

I don't know a whole helluva lot about football, but my feelings are that if the #1 rated CB in the country comes into your program, and you are a head coach who has won National Titles at multi-levels of CFB, and this Coach sees this kid's biggest contribution potential on the offensive side of the ball, then who is anybody to argue with that?

Ginn's elusiveness makes him damn near impossible to get a solid hit on. Added weight will make no difference. Those of you old enough think of Archie. Archie was all of about 180 lbs, yet the guy never took a hard hit because he didn't allow anyone to do it to him. Teddy is the same way.
 
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