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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Oh, yeah.. all this ignores Gonzo, Lyons, Hall, Dukes....
There just isn't a way to get ready for all this, which is what makes Texas' win all the more impressive to me now
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I wasn't that impressed with Texas's defense. I think what you refer to as their defense as playing well and shutting us down, I think of as us shutting ourselves down by the QB carousel, which inhibited our QBs from finding any kind of rhythm and therefore not being able to consistently move the ball with all our weapons at WR.
 
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Every skill position must work as a decoy at various points in the game...the quote is being misunderstood. I translate that as, "I need to do whatever the team needs including the unnoticed things like blocking and drawing extra attention."

Steve Spurrier is a master of decoys...his WRs run route combos to open up zones. If the defense covers them properly, a hole will open. If they don't, the "decoy" is wide open for a TD.

For instance, we have seen Ginn run the bubble route every game. Last week, Texas jumped all over it quickly. SDSU may do the same thing as soon as they see Ginn bubble...including the safety. That leaves a huge seam open down the middle third. So, once the coaches recognize the defense jumping the route...look for that route to be used a decoy to open up someone else.

Tit for tat...adjustment to scheme. Nothing major.
 
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I'm sorry, I have to say this after today, in a half-lighthearted way, but will SOMEBODY PUHLEEZE THROW A FREAKING DEEP BALL TO GINN AND LET HIM GO FREAKING GET IT???!!!!!!!!!!

Ginn is deadly as a return man, and what is the best situation to put him in that is as close on offense to a return as possible? A: it's not a swing pass, or a sort of kind of reverse, but a DEEP BALL... AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
 
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Let's consider a scenario of sending Ginn deep in a significant majority of passing plays:

Let's take a conservative scenario and say he runs downfield 12-15 times, gets open 3, we throw to him 2x, and he only catches one. From that, we can get:

1- 6 points

2- Safeties having to shade deep to help, which leads to

3- Opening up a quadrant of the field for some nice 12-15 yard underneath clearout routes that Boston College was running so well tonight, and

4- If the safeties have to cover deep, linebackers have to do more, which opens up the underneath routes for Hall and Gonzalez, and

5- The running game is opened up too because the safeties can't stack the line, which means that

6- It is much more possible that Troy would be able to effectively run against a good defense, if the safeties have to help deep, the linebackers have to cover Hamby (assuming we actually send him PAST the line of scrimmage on pass plays) and backs out of the backfield, and

7- The corners have to give more cushion, which opens up Santonio for all his moves and sharp routes, and lets Gonzalez roam the middle looking for a seam, and Hall slide out to the wing, where he seems to be most comfortable.


All this from taking advantage of Ginn's speed, even if he only catches one a game. What the flock are we waiting for?
 
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Too much focus on Ginn. I'm sorry, but I don't even think he's our best reciever. Holmes is. He runs better routes. I've been to all three games...Ginn doesn't get open as much as Holmes, and Homles also has better hands and makes better decisions when he has the ball. Ginn was good last year because he wasn't targeted like he is now, and because he just went out there and played...he didn't think about anything, or try to do too much...he just did what came natural.

Now he looks like he's trying to think too much and do too much. Being a good football player is more than just being able to run fast...and right now, that's all Ted Ginn is showing me, is that he's fast. He's not playing fundemental football. He runs with the ball unprotected, and trys to turn every play into a touchdown...probably because everybody talked about how he could score every time he touched the ball. Quit trying to score Teddy...just catch the ball and look downfield for blockers and holes, and run...take what the defense gives you...don't try to do more than even God himself could do. That's what made him good last year...he kept it simple. Ted Ginn Jr. has the ability to be one of the greats at tOSU. Right now, he's not that good...but I have faith he will be.

I do agree that we need to go downfield more with Ginn...AND HOLMES. We have deep threats...we need to use them!
 
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I know im gonna catch some flak, but here goes: TED GINN SHOULD BE AT CB. some asshole from scUM won a heisman with very limited offensive production, mostly on returns (some pass rec.). He is a shutdown corner in every sense of the word. I know, our d doesnt "need" him, but come on, he would be an all american at corner this year! i really doubt he will be one at wr.
 
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BUCKEYESTUCKNGA said:
I know im gonna catch some flak, but here goes: TED GINN SHOULD BE AT CB. some asshole from scUM won a heisman with very limited offensive production, mostly on returns (some pass rec.). He is a shutdown corner in every sense of the word. I know, our d doesnt "need" him, but come on, he would be an all american at corner this year! i really doubt he will be one at wr.
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Shutdown corner in every sense of the word.

Okay, let's break this down right quick:

Shutdown: Who exactly has Ginn "shutdown" in the world of collegiate athletics?

Corner: When has Ginn played "corner" in the world of collegiate atheltics?

Are you done?
 
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Ginn at corner??? I think we are fine with who we have back there right now and I don't see him beating out Everett OR Jenkins. Stay with him on offense and make him learn the position. Cryami screwed up Hester by moving him to defense.
 
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JonathanXC said:
Too much focus on Ginn. I'm sorry, but I don't even think he's our best reciever. Holmes is. He runs better routes. I've been to all three games...Ginn doesn't get open as much as Holmes, and Homles also has better hands and makes better decisions when he has the ball. Ginn was good last year because he wasn't targeted like he is now, and because he just went out there and played...he didn't think about anything, or try to do too much...he just did what came natural.

Now he looks like he's trying to think too much and do too much. Being a good football player is more than just being able to run fast...and right now, that's all Ted Ginn is showing me, is that he's fast. He's not playing fundemental football. He runs with the ball unprotected, and trys to turn every play into a touchdown...probably because everybody talked about how he could score every time he touched the ball. Quit trying to score Teddy...just catch the ball and look downfield for blockers and holes, and run...take what the defense gives you...don't try to do more than even God himself could do. That's what made him good last year...he kept it simple. Ted Ginn Jr. has the ability to be one of the greats at tOSU. Right now, he's not that good...but I have faith he will be.

I do agree that we need to go downfield more with Ginn...AND HOLMES. We have deep threats...we need to use them!
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I agree totally...Santonio is one of the nation's best receivers, and to this point, has forgotten more about being a great receiver than Ginn has learned...so far. Yet another reason that I want them to send Ginn deep...take a safety, so 2 guys go long...then bring Santonio across the field to that side, on a precise route, and let him work his magic one-on-one, like he does so well. It would be open all day...every time. And then if they decided to load up one side of the field...slip a back, or a TE, or Gonzalez out to the other.

Ginn going deep opens all this up.
 
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im not sure where hester played in hs, but ginn was the NO. 1 CB IN THE NATION. chris gamble came in as a wr, and yet, ended up being a cb, so why not put ginn in his natural position? the kid obvioiusly wants to play d. he penciled his name on the depth charts. he is not a wr. i dont care what anyone says, he is the third or fourth best reciever we have at best.
 
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I have to think that Ginn is receiving far too much attention at this point. He is still a sophomore, and far too inexperienced to be receiving the national attention and expectations. Holmes is the more proficient reciever at this time.
What Happened to Ted Ginn? He hasn't developed yet. With the proper coaching he will develop into an above average receiver. After that we can see about him being the saviour of the Buckeyes/ heisman contender everyone seems to expect him to be.
 
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Oneshot said:
Shutdown corner in every sense of the word.

Okay, let's break this down right quick:

Shutdown: Who exactly has Ginn "shutdown" in the world of collegiate athletics?

Corner: When has Ginn played "corner" in the world of collegiate atheltics?

Are you done?
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who has he had the CHANCE to shutdown, when has he had the CHANCE to play corner? i believe there is a reason he was the no. 1 cb in the country coming out of HS!, and yes, now i am done
 
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