WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

[AirForceBuck]

Kid came in as a CB. He's been playing WR for just over 12 months right now and you're questioning why he's not as good (or polished) as Gonzo, Holmes, Jenkins, and Fitzgerald?! A few weeks ago, everyone here was drooling with anticipation over Ginn's second year here. Two weeks in and we're calling for his starting job?? First time he breaks a huge one, I'm sure a lot of those tunes will change.

Im not calling for his job, just his position. He did indeed come in as a primary CB, but so did Gonzalez. They both are in their Sophmore years, but Gonzalez seems to have shown much more as a flanker/reciever than Ginn. Not at all taking anything away from Ginn, but there are things that he needs to work on, such as route running and down field blocking. The reason we were antsy for Ginns sophmore year is that after all his performances on punt returns and trick plays we were hoping he would turn into a solid reciever. He may very well have advanced his skills, but we havent had too much sight of it withlimited touches of the ball. I say we need a new spot for him and bump Gonzalez (whose VERY underrated) up to the #1 flanker. Gonzolez comes in as a clean up man and plays his heart out with little recognition. We just need a new scheme to showcase Ginns ability while having Gonzolez and Holmes running routes.

 

[BuckBackHome]

Very informative posts in this thread. I just want to reiterate a comment I made earlier in the thread. I think this will be the year where coaching will really make a difference in how Teddy develops and matures as a player. The coaching needs to take his natural talents and incorporate them so he is the most effective player he can be.

A well-rounded WR with his speed and improvisational skills is very scary. He has the wonderful opportunity to learn at the feet of the master in Santonio the other parts of being a WR besides catching the ball (route running, blocking, etc). Also, he does not even have a full season under his belt. It will all come together, that I know.

 

[bucknut11]

Im not calling for his job, just his position. He did indeed come in as a primary CB, but so did Gonzalez. They both are in their Sophmore years, but Gonzalez seems to have shown much more as a flanker/reciever than Ginn. Not at all taking anything away from Ginn, but there are things that he needs to work on, such as route running and down field blocking. The reason we were antsy for Ginns sophmore year is that after all his performances on punt returns and trick plays we were hoping he would turn into a solid reciever. He may very well have advanced his skills, but we havent had too much sight of it withlimited touches of the ball. I say we need a new spot for him and bump Gonzalez (whose VERY underrated) up to the #1 flanker. Gonzolez comes in as a clean up man and plays his heart out with little recognition. We just need a new scheme to showcase Ginns ability while having Gonzolez and Holmes running routes.

All points well taken. However... Gonzo played WR at Iggy. Ginn played QB at Glenville. Tony's a 3rd year soph. Much more time at the position (and in the program) = Much more polish.

Hey, maybe if Teddy "struggles" a little, we can keep him for 4 years

 

[AirForceBuck]

All points well taken. However... Gonzo played WR at Iggy. Ginn played QB at Glenville. Tony's a 3rd year soph. Much more time at the position (and in the program) = Much more polish.

Hey, maybe if Teddy "struggles" a little, we can keep him for 4 years

Oh for sure the redshirt year helped him alot and so did Gonzo playing both ways. I know Ginn played QB, CB and WR at Glenville, but surely not as much WR as Gonzo. Can Ginn become another great Buckeye reciever? Hell yes! He has ALL the talent and desire needed. However, right now Gonzo just seems to have more reciever knowledge than Ginn does and deserves the #1 flanker spot. lol, Ginn is a special kid, I want him to play for the next 3 years here at OSU. I just think that we should find a place to showcase his abilities properly with both Gonzo and Holmes burning DBs deep.

 

[High Lonesome]

Y'all need to relax... THE SKY IS NOT FALLING. Teddy Ginn is still one of the most dangerous players in the country. Take a look at the season so far. First game was a warm up against miami of ohio. You did not completely open up your playbook because low and behold you had the #2 team in the nation the next week. In the second week you were up against a very good defense that had a great gameplan to limit big plays and you still got one, it was to santonio but what the hell is the difference. Even Randy Moss doesn't score a touchdown every game. Ginn will be back and I for one can't wait to watch him the rest of the year.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Y'all need to relax... THE SKY IS NOT FALLING. Teddy Ginn is still one of the most dangerous players in the country. Take a look at the season so far. First game was a warm up against miami of ohio. You did not completely open up your playbook because low and behold you had the #2 team in the nation the next week. In the second week you were up against a very good defense that had a great gameplan to limit big plays and you still got one, it was to santonio but what the hell is the difference. Even Randy Moss doesn't score a touchdown every game. Ginn will be back and I for one can't wait to watch him the rest of the year.

Thank you, thank you.. thank you....

All this chicken little shit reminds me of Sooner fans.

 

[ntd]

Ginn is averaging 109 yds/game so far in this extremely young season (second to Holmes)...with defenses keying on him and playing the Longhorns who had a helluva a defense, that ain't bad (though a lot of it is return yards)...if a QB is settled on, I'm sure there will be a lot more of a comfort level and a lot more opportunities for TG

 

[Zurp]

Ginn will be back and I for one can't wait to watch him the rest of the year.

I was kind of hoping I wouldn't have to see you Texas fans, anymore, after the 10th.

I'm joking. A lot of you guys are pretty good, and the fact that you are still on BP shows that you're either here to gloat, or you truly respect the Ohio State University football team and/or its fans (which is pretty cool). And since you still have some green chiclets, you haven't started your gloating.

Anyway, just because Ginn doesn't have 50 touchdowns doesn't mean he's all washed up. Even if teams AREN'T keying on him, he's not going to score EVERY game. If he plays his game, the game will give him his plays.

 

[Buckin' A]

According to Troy Smith, Ginn's disappearance wasn't so much what Texas did t what the Buckeyes failed to do.

"I don't think they did much to take him out of the game. In certain looks, decision making, we (the OSU quarterbacks) didn't do what we should have," said Smith.​

 

[jwinslow]

The two screens were thrown behind him IIRC, tho he needs to catch those. Other than a couple of catches, I don't remember too many balls being thrown his way that he dropped. We have tons of weapons and don't need to ride Ginn to every vicory. Keep in mind that against Michigan our running game was not very effective (beyond our own 30 yd line). Pittman was gaining big yardage, and Smith ran a ton of QB draws.

Something I haven't seen mentioned is that we could not have run many plays on saturday. We started at midfield all day long, so we did not run as many plays to get in scoring position. Therefore, even if we had forced the ball to Ginn the number of touches he got would have been lower.

We didn't need to throw it to Ginn to win on saturday. If people would have caught key passes (not just hamby) and not false started, we would have won the game.

 

[Taosman]

Interesting point about short drives! It's probably harder to get into rhythm for a offense with shorter drives. But , most of the "blame", would have to go to the QBs. Smith, in particular, seemed to call his own number a lot.

 

[gstock05]

It was a combination of 3 things.

Ted not running sharp enough routes to get open

Texas having constant double coverage with 2 of the better defensive backs in the nation on him constantly

Zwick/Smith only throwing to ginn 4 times the entire game. 2 times he dropped it, but even then, there was no way for him to get any huge yardage off that.




I hate to say it, but I give most blame to Tressel/ Bollman. Not slamming them, I love them as coaches... well, at least Tressel, but check out the Alamo Bowl vs Texas. Ginn's role was so different it wasn't even funny. It wasn't a problem of him not having the ability to break the big one. Just look at the Kickoff return he almost broke. They just used him as a distraction and short yardage receiver, which is more what Hall and Gonzo should be doing.


The one reverse they called all game was painfully obvious to predict. They had Ginn with 0 snaps at quarterback, and did not throw to him downfield on him for a single play. They called no slants, and didn't have him in at spot time for runningback either.


Don't give me the SI Jinx bs, or "it went to his head." Ted is the last person I could see anything go to his head, and even so, it wouldn't make him instantly a bad player.


Our offense in this game, was nothing compared to what we saw against Oklahoma state or Michigan. Not enough Trickery to keep opponents off balance, and way too predictable.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Maybe so. I think Tress, in these kinds of games, is more interested in not making O mistakes (Which the "big play" invites) and relying on OSU's D to get the job done.
It's a philosophy that has shown to work, although it does a number on my fingernails...

It would be nice to open it up and sling it around against Texas to see if they can match up athletically. However, I can't fault Tress for saying, lets play it safe ... our D is better than theirs. Unfortunately it didn't work out this time.

 

[rocketman]

I think someone already said this before, but because we were constantly getting good field position we were never in a situation where we could utilitize Ginn's speed as a WR. Look at his TD catch in the Miami game, where he goes to the post, breaks off of it, and burns the corner and the safety while catching Boeckman's perfectly thrown ball. His hands aren't the best, neither is his route running, but he is absolutely deadly as a WR on those crossing routes and slants, deep in the middle of the field.

 

[osugrad21]

I think someone already said this before, but because we were constantly getting good field position we were never in a situation where we could utilitize Ginn's speed as a WR.

I see what you are saying, but speed does not only need to be used on long routes. Slants, bubbles, slips, and even a quick hitch all utilize his speed...which I personally don't consider his best attribute. Ted Ginn is best in open space...the speed is just what seals the deal. Get the kid the ball, let him find the seam, and accelerate.

However, in all honesty, Teddy has not found the seam in the first two games. He is partly to blame for that, but more props to sound defensive angles.