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WR DeVier Posey (2017 Grey Cup Champion and MVP)

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buxfan4life;2007610; said:
No, violating the rules of the NCAA is not an "actual crime".

No, trading goods and services is not an "actual crime".

No, getting paid more for a job at the employers discretion is not an "actual crime" (unless you believe the Wall Street protesters).

Getting caught with an illegal substance is an "actual crime" (even though it was only pot).

Receiving stolen property is an "actual crime".

Please do not mis-represent the facts.
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Depends on the meaning of 'is,' is that where we're heading?

"Borrowing" pens and paper from the office supplies, speeding on the free way, failure to come to a complete stop at a stop sign, making false statements on official forms, those aren't crimes? They're probably not going to be felonies, but they are crimes and depending on the severity, the dollar amount, past personal history, if caught you can be prosecuted and punished.

I find it hard to believe that the OSU football and basketball programs do not spend any effort to tell a player what he/she can do as a scholarship holder. I find it hard to believe that athletes are not given a thorough briefing on NCAA rules. I find it hard to believe that athletes aren't told repeatedly, "if you have a doubt or a question, here's a number for the compliance office, Call before you act."

But it is possible and if that is the case, then the blame falls squarely on Gene Smith, the compliance office and E. Gordon Gee.

If, as I suspect, they are briefed, then ignorance of the rules is no excuse.
 
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BuckeyeGuy513;2007488; said:
Really unfortunate the punishment is far too harsh. NCAA is just tired of OSU and handing out the worst punishments it can. Really hurts DeVier's draft stock, it's a shame there messing with his future he has paid enough. A 2 game suspension would have been more justified and he still misses 7 his senior year.
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I know I am in the "extreme" minority here, but I disagree.

He's a repeat offender - when you know the NCAA is hawking you, and he did what he did (I'll say allegedly (sp?) but I'd imagine/hope the NCAA had some cold hard facts to back this), you deserve a severe punishment.

It's about accountability. If this was a first strike, that'd be different....but it's not. He's not a kid anymore. Temptation is everywhere as a star college athlete, I can't say I'd be able to do any differently, but we can't compare this to other players suspensions when it was their first strike.

I'm deeply disappointed with what has occurred, I'm disgusted with Gene Smith, but for one of the rare occassions I can't fault the NCAA on this one.
 
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MaxBuck;2007781; said:
Violation of NCAA rules is not a "crime," regardless of what anyone says.

Misdemeanors and felonies are crimes. Accepting a $200 handshake is not. I'm not arguing it's "right," but it's not a crime.
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Difference acknowledged. You're right. And that's why it might be better to commit a crime - where you're judged in the courts than breaking NCAA rules where you're judged by a committee of officials. Which is why Cam and Masoli are walking free and Posey is sitting.

Funny, the pledge to come back for senior year probably cost Pryor, Posey, Adams a good deal of money. They should have not played in the Bowl game and gone right into the draft.
 
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cincibuck;2007803; said:
Difference acknowledged. You're right. And that's why it might be better to commit a crime - where you're judged in the courts than breaking NCAA rules where you're judged by a committee of officials. Which is why Cam and Masoli are walking free and Posey is sitting.

Funny, the pledge to come back for senior year probably cost Pryor, Posey, Adams a good deal of money. They should have not played in the Bowl game and gone right into the draft.
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Or perhaps they should have never knowingly violated NCAA rules. Just a thought...

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MaxBuck;2007781; said:
Violation of NCAA rules is not a "crime," regardless of what anyone says.

Misdemeanors and felonies are crimes. Accepting a $200 handshake is not. I'm not arguing it's "right," but it's not a crime.
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What is ridiculous, is that if he had robbed someone of $200 he would probably be playing this weekend...
 
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bigdog3300;2007680; said:
I know I am in the "extreme" minority here, but I disagree.

He's a repeat offender - when you know the NCAA is hawking you, and he did what he did (I'll say allegedly (sp?) but I'd imagine/hope the NCAA had some cold hard facts to back this), you deserve a severe punishment.

It's about accountability. If this was a first strike, that'd be different....but it's not. He's not a kid anymore. Temptation is everywhere as a star college athlete, I can't say I'd be able to do any differently, but we can't compare this to other players suspensions when it was their first strike.

I'm deeply disappointed with what has occurred, I'm disgusted with Gene Smith, but for one of the rare occassions I can't fault the NCAA on this one.
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Herron was a repeat offender...he got 1 game.
 
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The NCAA makes the rules and investigates the rules and decide the punishments. The rules are what they are it is not a legal process..The tOSU and its athletes pledge to abide by the rules of the NCAA. It doesn't matter if Denard machine guns the entire Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders he hasn't broke any NCAA rules and is thus elligible to play NCAA football. When I hear people talk about crimes etc. it drives me crazy..NCAA rules and the laws of society are totally seperate and neither has a bearing on the other. The tat 5 violated NCAA rules and must pay the price decided by the NCAA...now if tOSU wants to do something more they can..JT and the tat5 began this mess..who knows when it ends..hopefully the rule breakers will be gone and we can reducate the remaning players on what the NCAA requires..and the coaches on how to respond to possible rule violations..I would reccoment a O tolerance policy until a new staff can get this under control..Coaches AD and compliance must be cleaned up
 
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