WR DeVier Posey (2017 Grey Cup Champion and MVP)

[Jake]

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaa...+and+Recruiting/Faqs/eligibility_seasons.html

Redshirt Definition

The term "redshirt" is used to describe a student-athlete who does not participate in competition in a sport for an entire academic year. If you do not compete in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. For example, if you are a qualifier, and you attend a four-year college your freshman year, and you practice but do not compete against outside competition, you would still have the next four years to play four seasons of competition.
Each student is allowed no more than four seasons of competition per sport. If you were not a qualifier, you may have fewer seasons of competition available to you. You should know that NCAA rules indicate that any competition, regardless of time, during a season counts as one of your seasons of competition in that sport. It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.
Please contact the certifying institution or conference for additional information. You also may contact the NCAA membership services staff at 317/917-6222 if you have further questions.
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How can a suspended player be a "qualifier" for NCAA competition? Again, if suspended players can redshirt, it definitely makes it worth the risk to take the money and risk suspension.

 

[y0yoyoin]

Its funny because most of this board thought that posey should of been kicked off the team with herron...but the fact that the ncaa now rules that he is suspended for 5 games its bullshit....ya the ncaa ruling is harsh beyond belief....but lets not forget he is a repeat offender...if this was the three strike rule, depending on how you want to rule certain infractions, he would already be in prison for life...the ncaa is a joke but im with speilman on this one...he should already be off the team...i apologize if this is bashing but my local bar just got yuengling on tap

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Fuck the NCAA

 

[Bucklion]

Read me above posts. Has has another year of elgibility. There is no reason why he has to sit any games next year, unless the NCAA comes up with more shit.

There is no way the NCAA will allow Posey to use a redshirt. If they have to come up with something new, they will...they will make something up like being suspended actually counts as playing, because you would be playing if you weren't suspended. Yes, it sounds stupid. Yes, the NCAA will do it anyway. They will never allow him to circumvent their administration of (selective) justice like that. Zero.

 

[OSUforMNC]

Just burn the entire NCAA down now. This is outrageous compared to the Miami situation or Cam Newton.

 

[Bestbuck36]

How can a suspended player be a "qualifier" for NCAA competition? Again, if suspended players can redshirt, it definitely makes it worth the risk to take the money and risk suspension.

The qualifier tag represents the first year of eligibility, not every year they are available. ONCE you qualify, you have 5 years to complete 4. Every year is not a qualification. I went through this myself when I joined the military then went back to college. Devier qualified to get into the NCAA clearing house as a Freshman. His 5 started then. It does not matter why you dont play. He loses this year regardless, but he's not a 5th year senior so he technically would have 1 left unless there was a dis-qualifying rule such as hiring an agent or losing your "amateur" status.


I'm not really sure any of this is going to matter though.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

There is no redshirt or freshman that are not going to play anyway could take benefits and say well I was going to redshirt anyway...they make you take your suspensions in a year you are playing...if he took a redshirt he is not serving the suspention thus it would follow him into next year


he is screwed on many levels but Ohio State is screwed because Tress asked them to come back

 

[ysubuck]

Posey, Herron and the rest did this to themselves.

Blame the NCAA all you want, but if they hadn't broken the rules then they and the team wouldn't be in this mess right now. Does the ruling seem harsh? Absolutely!! But the fact remains that these guys were aware of the rules, chose to break them and put the team and their status in jeopardy. Now they leave themselves at the mercy (or lack thereof) of the NCAA.

Not only is their status affected, but the program that they are/were a part of could feel the repercussions of their selfishness for years to come.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Posey, Herron and the rest did this to themselves.

Blame the NCAA all you want, but if they hadn't broken the rules then they and the team wouldn't be in this mess right now. Does the ruling seem harsh? Absolutely!! But the fact remains that these guys were aware of the rules, chose to break them and put the team and their status in jeopardy. Now they leave themselves at the mercy (or lack thereof) of the NCAA.

Not only is their status affected, but the program that they are/were a part of could feel the repercussions of their selfishness for years to come.

True...but if what Posey's atty is saying is true (that they provided proper documentation for the hours worked and he was paid more due to rules that he was working along side union members) then the NCAA may be treading into waters unknown for them. I know that lawyers are gonna spin but his lively hood has now been impacted....I have felt the NCAA has been very fair to Ohio State and the kids up untill now

 

[Oh8ch]

Nothing to back this up, but what would make sense and what I expect one would find if they dug deep enough is that a game where one is suspended counts as a game played for eligibility purposes.

No other interpretation makes sense.

 

[Oh8ch]

And after a little digging -

http://www.tarheelfanblog.com/2010/10/baddour-on-redshirting-academic-scandal-players/

Includes the statement " The NCAA suspension precludes the possibility of a redshirt since a player would still have to sit the games he was suspended."

 

[NFBuck]

Nothing much to say about this. Posey brought it on himself, but he's getting railroaded. Badly. Guys like Cam Newton and Jeremiah Masoli are caught in actual crimes and don't miss a down. The ncaa and it's rulebooks need to be burnt to the ground.

What a disaster this whole fiasco is turning out to be...

 

[cincibuck]

Actual crimes? Violating rules is an "actual crime." Getting free tattoos for your jersey and rings, or taking money for work you don't do, i.e. cheating, may seem slight when compared to felony offenses such as theft and mugging, but they are still actual crimes. Keep in mind that the felonies cited in Masoli and Newton's cases were felonies, something the NCAA is not set up to try and dispose of. If they "went free" in your opinion, that is the business of the courts and not the NCAA.

Posey willingly signed a contract to receive an athletic scholarship, a contract that tied him to the rules of the NCAA and, ergo, to the judgement of the NCAA officers.

That Posey continued to push the issue by actions that invited scrutiny from authorities, can't help the situation. I don't blame his mom for standing behind her son, but when you look at her words from the initial Tattoo news break you begin to see that both have a sense of entitlement:

From the Columbus Dispatch:
"They didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done," Julie Posey told the newspaper. "They looked around to see what they could do to help [their families]. There's no crime here. None. They're not involved with agents. They didn't steal anything. They didn't borrow anything from anybody. It was theirs. Nobody told them it 'almost belongs to you.' It belonged to them."

I can understand that when, as a player, you look at all the money college football, especially a program like Ohio State, brings in, you can easily begin to feel like you should be given more than NCAA rules provide. However, you signed the contract and you agreed to accept those limitations as well as benefits.

 

[utgrad73]

Nothing much to say about this. Posey brought it on himself, but he's getting railroaded. Badly. Guys like Cam Newton and Jeremiah Masoli are caught in actual crimes and don't miss a down. The ncaa and it's rulebooks need to be burnt to the ground.

What a disaster this whole fiasco is turning out to be...

If Posey hadn't been one of TP's best friends and go to receivers, this may have been a much less stringent suspension. There's no doubt that he screwed up but because of the publicicty and being the perfect example for the NCaa to spotlight, he gets incinerated. Where's the parity, take a look around, and sanction with fairness considering the transgressions. The NCaa needs to flex their muscles but they are doing it at one player's expense. Getting the biggest bang for the "Buck". Pardon the pun!

 

[buxfan4life]

Actual crimes? Violating rules is an "actual crime." Getting free tattoos for your jersey and rings, or taking money for work you don't do, i.e. cheating, may seem slight when compared to felony offenses such as theft and mugging, but they are still actual crimes. Keep in mind that the felonies cited in Masoli and Newton's cases were felonies, something the NCAA is not set up to try and dispose of. If they "went free" in your opinion, that is the business of the courts and not the NCAA.

No, violating the rules of the NCAA is not an "actual crime".

No, trading goods and services is not an "actual crime".

No, getting paid more for a job at the employers discretion is not an "actual crime"

Getting caught with an illegal substance is an "actual crime" (even though it was only pot).

Receiving stolen property is an "actual crime".

Please do not mis-represent the facts.