Will Boeckman be Benched?

[Ben Bernanke]

I've got .91 in the bank I can give you as a deposit.

Yeah, you and freakin' Lehman Brothers...

Any of you new-found vBillionaires want to float me a Mill? Much obliged.

No can do... I'm kinda short right now too!

 

[Vegas_Buckeye]

Im not saying that TP isnt better, or that TP shouldnt start, im just saying that on Saturday it wouldnt have made any difference. TB hasnt looked good in big games, but he hasnt had a lot of help either. The Oline has flat out been owned in big games, and the WR have failed to get open/separation. This was mentioned several times against OHIO. If they cant get open against MAC teams how would they against USC? If they want to start TP, Im all for it, but I dont think we will win any games with him that TB would have lost.

I do agree, and I have agreed with my friends on the same points that I bolded in your quote. And you are right. We dont have the Tedd Gin, Terry Glenn kind of receivers, maybe Ray Small. And our line does get owned but why? Cause other teams absolutely bring the blitz when he is in because of what they see on tape in previous games. Get him to move and bad things happen.

Defenses would be more hesitant to blitz someone as mobile as Pryor, opening up more running lanes and maybe catching DBs and LBs looking into the backfield. That would help our receivers a little IMO.

Its just not this game. Maybe Troy Smith spoiled me and how great it was to have a mobile threat at QB. I just think its time for TP. I already know what Beckman does in big games. And it didnt get any better this year from last.

 

[Piney]

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[Ben Bernanke]

... Was it a mistake. Hell yeah it was. I was trying to make a point, and in so doing I've put 95% of all v$ on BP in the hands of 20 users (as soon as I hit the "Settle" button). That is not at all in keeping with the wishes of the people who created this place, and they should probably revoke my vBookie priviledges for it...

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[BuckeyeInTheBoro]

I'm gravely concerned here. If we calculate the Lorenz curve for the above distribution, it would put BP's vGini vCoefficient at at alarmingly high 0.9423, easily outstripping Namibia (.707), Lesotho (0.632), and Bolivia (0.592) - nations that rank in the top ten in the world in terms of income inequality.

And we all know how stable these places have been over the last three decades.

Clear the vroof. Dust off the vlanding pad. It's time for a vhelicopter vdrop.

Great stuff, but dude... every time you talk I lose 10k. Stop talking!

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

But my heart is broken for Todd.

Stay strong TB. You are a fine young man, and you always put the good of the team ahead of yourself. No matter what happens, you are a great Buckeye to me.

-DBB

Ditto that. I feel awful for him. Has he made some costly mistakes? Absolutely. But, boy oh boy did he land in a rough situation.

Following guys like Krenzel and Smith, not very many guys can live up to the elevated standards. With the pressure worsened this season by the presence of a talent like Pryor behind him. (Much like John David Booty at USC last season who had the misfortune of following Palmer and Leinart with Sanchez behind him.)

In addition, I really feel like sometimes, too much has been asked of Todd. (**See bottom of post) He has both physical and mental limitations and the gameplan has not really minimized the effects of these issues. With limitations similar to Todd's, Craig Krenzel had the luxury of knowing that he could throw the ball into the stands on 3rd and long (or take a sack or tuck it and run) and come up short of the first rather than forcing a pass, because he knew that the defense would get the stops they needed.

Todd doesn't have that option. The defense just isn't great enough (this year or last) that the offense can play the field position game like it did in 2002. (**See bottom of post) The offense has to put points on the board and that means taking risks. I get the feeling that knowing this has really made Todd's job even tougher than it already should be. Not only does he have to make the reads and throws, but he also has to make on-the-fly decisions as to whether or not to try a tough throw. (I know, I know, that's why he gets paid the big bucks ) Naturally, that doesn't excuse the poor reads and worse throws, but it would be interesting to see how Todd would have performed with the '02 defense behind him, knowing that if there was any uncertainty on whether to attempt a pass, he could take the ultra-conservative choice and not worry too much about not getting the first down or touchdown.

In a similar vein, if Krenzel was asked to do the same things that Todd has been asked to do, how would he perform? I can't imagine it would be much better.

**And I think that is part of the reason so much (too much?) has been asked of Todd. Coach Tressel knows that this team can't win the same way the '02 team did.

PS: To those of you who go to The Game this year...

If you see/hear anyone boo Todd when he is introduced for his Senior Day moment; punch their teeth in. I was there when it happened to Tom Tupa... Todd may not be an all-american like Tom was, but he deserves much better. It should never happen to another Buckeye.

100%. Nothing makes me sicker and angrier than the way some fucks treat their own. Guys like Steve Bellisari (pre-DUI moreso than post-) and Matt Sylvester could never ever do enough to please the fans. They didn't deserve it and Bockman doesn't deserve a lick of it, either. If his worst offense against Buckeye fans is not being a good enough quarterback, then he's done alright for himself.



Huh. Guess this would have been better suited to Todd's thread than this thread, so to get itback on track....this is a sucky way to win v$1,000,000,000

 

[shetuck]

Ditto that. I feel awful for him. Has he made some costly mistakes? Absolutely. But, boy oh boy did he land in a rough situation.

Following guys like Krenzel and Smith, not very many guys can live up to the elevated standards. With the pressure worsened this season by the presence of a talent like Pryor behind him. (Much like John David Booty at USC last season who had the misfortune of following Palmer and Leinart with Sanchez behind him.)

In addition, I really feel like sometimes, too much has been asked of Todd. (**See bottom of post) He has both physical and mental limitations and the gameplan has not really minimized the effects of these issues. With limitations similar to Todd's, Craig Krenzel had the luxury of knowing that he could throw the ball into the stands on 3rd and long (or take a sack or tuck it and run) and come up short of the first rather than forcing a pass, because he knew that the defense would get the stops they needed.

Todd doesn't have that option. The defense just isn't great enough (this year or last) that the offense can play the field position game like it did in 2002. (**See bottom of post) The offense has to put points on the board and that means taking risks. I get the feeling that knowing this has really made Todd's job even tougher than it already should be. Not only does he have to make the reads and throws, but he also has to make on-the-fly decisions as to whether or not to try a tough throw. (I know, I know, that's why he gets paid the big bucks ) Naturally, that doesn't excuse the poor reads and worse throws, but it would be interesting to see how Todd would have performed with the '02 defense behind him, knowing that if there was any uncertainty on whether to attempt a pass, he could take the ultra-conservative choice and not worry too much about not getting the first down or touchdown.

In a similar vein, if Krenzel was asked to do the same things that Todd has been asked to do, how would he perform? I can't imagine it would be much better.

**And I think that is part of the reason so much (too much?) has been asked of Todd. Coach Tressel knows that this team can't win the same way the '02 team did.

100%. Nothing makes me sicker and angrier than the way some fucks treat their own. Guys like Steve Bellisari (pre-DUI moreso than post-) and Matt Sylvester could never ever do enough to please the fans. They didn't deserve it and Bockman doesn't deserve a lick of it, either. If his worst offense against Buckeye fans is not being a good enough quarterback, then he's done alright for himself.



Huh. Guess this would have been better suited to Todd's thread than this thread, so to get itback on track....this is a sucky way to win v$1,000,000,000

Great post...

 

[Padraig]

I see where you guys are coming from...I never, ever like seeing kids (especially those on my Buckeye's teams) "fail", and I always root for each of them to reach their full potential and then some. But with the right attitude about this new situation, Todd can still suceed on the football field and beyond.

(I know it's pointing out the obvious, but) T.B. was / is (at least in some capacity) the starting QB for the greatest football program in the land! He's got a full ride for a free education from a pretty damn fine institution, and after he gets a degree and finishes up his eligibility (no matter what he may or may not do in football professionally) he is part of a "fraternity" that will open doors for him the rest of his life.

There are kids that transfer each year, or are burried on the depth chart by another great incoming Freshman, etc. that their situation didn't play out the way they might have thought...yet they still were given a shot at something most of us could never dream of. And while I feel a sense of sadness that they probably didn't realize all of their dreams, I have to remind myself that they still were part of something pretty incredibly special and that absolutely goes for Todd Boeckman and all he has been part of the last several years.

I hope he fights through his difficulties and stays part of this team (mentally) in whatever capacity he can. I admire Justin Zwick in a special way because of the role he played after Troy won the starting job and I think Todd could learn greatly from his situation in a similar way if he wants to.

When one door closes, another door opens. I don't think it's all that bad to be Todd Boeckman. He can make it what he chooses.

:osu:

 

[smithlabs]

Change of paradigm, how about some man love for Pryor? He is way above expectation now in terms of knowledge. He studied film hard. He is becoming a vocal leader. He has changed he technique. Boeckman seems like a great kid. He is a perfect system player. Pryor might really be the one in a million person who displaces a senior captain six year quarterback as a true freshman.

BTW, has anybody notices that the spell checker wants to replace Boeckman with Bogeyman?

 

[Vegas_Buckeye]

Change of paradigm, how about some man love for Pryor? He is way above expectation now in terms of knowledge. He studied film hard. He is becoming a vocal leader. He has changed he technique. Boeckman seems like a great kid. He is a perfect system player. Pryor might really be the one in a million person who displaces a senior captain six year quarterback as a true freshman.

BTW, has anybody notices that the spell checker wants to replace Boeckman with Bogeyman?

HAHA Todd "Bogeyman" Beckman.

I agree though with many of the posts above. I don't think anyone should boo OUR players. I am always harder on the coaching. We only ran 14 different (maybe 16), offensive looks on Saturday. I have the opinion that our coaching is predictable and lacks emotion. And it starts with Tressel. What happened to the days of Tressel running down the field after Maurice Clarrett during the first game of the year in 2002? It has slowly gone to a very minimal amount over the last 6 years IMO.

Hopefully, this embarrassing loss was a wakeup call. I hope I can say on this Saturday, "I would hate to be Troy". We need that "kill 'em all" attitude back. Does TB have that in him? I have never seen it. Good kid though. Maybe too good.

 

[smithlabs]

[sarcasm] Personally, I think the the entire bench Boeckman rumors are just to relieve the pressure of the USC loss and Beanie's foot. Todd probably took all the snaps in the closed practice and Tress is just fooling with us [/sarcasm]

 

[Sdgobucks]

Then why would you be all for it? I mean, if Pryor only affords the team the same chance to win, why switch? Wouldn't you want your senior captain to play?

Basicly I dont care, I think either would do about the same. I think we would win the same games either way, so it doesnt matter to me.

 

[Sdgobucks]

I do agree, and I have agreed with my friends on the same points that I bolded in your quote. And you are right. We dont have the Tedd Gin, Terry Glenn kind of receivers, maybe Ray Small. And our line does get owned but why? Cause other teams absolutely bring the blitz when he is in because of what they see on tape in previous games. Get him to move and bad things happen.

Defenses would be more hesitant to blitz someone as mobile as Pryor, opening up more running lanes and maybe catching DBs and LBs looking into the backfield. That would help our receivers a little IMO.

Its just not this game. Maybe Troy Smith spoiled me and how great it was to have a mobile threat at QB. I just think its time for TP. I already know what Beckman does in big games. And it didnt get any better this year from last.

Dont forget that as mobile as Troy was, he didnt look very good in the face of the UF pass rush either.

 

[GoodLifeSean]

Dont forget that as mobile as Troy was, he didnt look very good in the face of the UF pass rush either.

Banquet Circuits and committing to drop back passes didn't help Troy in that game. The line also greatly influenced that, it's hard to get off a pass when D. Harvey is hitting you before your third step in a three step drop. Two syllables for this weekend WAGGLE, roll him out and let's give TP that option to run or pass. But I do love that draw after he's been passing that play has been working very well.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Dont forget that as mobile as Troy was, he didnt look very good in the face of the UF pass rush either.

The complete absense of an OL that night didn't help...