jwinslow;629334; said:
I would rather see that. Instead of an OSU vs. WVU game. Would like to see how we stand up to the best.
BUT............ OSU has a LOT of work left before we can have that discussion.
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I would rather see that. Instead of an OSU vs. WVU game. Would like to see how we stand up to the best.
BUT............ OSU has a LOT of work left before we can have that discussion.
tundra1
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LordJeffBuck;629297; said:
LJB--No problem with the analysis. However, the way I look at it, that means that only Florida, OSU, and Michigan control their own destiny, contrary to your first sentence. Everyone else is dependent on an "IF" happening to at least one other team, even if they win out.
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
I totally agree tundra. winner of OSU/Mich is in, no doubt. and Fla goes undefeated there is no way they get snubbed for USC. Their schedule is just too damn good.
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NightmaresDad
Woody Rules!
Dryden;629286; said:
I agree with the assessment of the UL / WV game, but I think if everybody else (besides us, of course) has one loss, then TX will definitely be the highest ranked one-loss team.
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BrockSamson
2006: The Post-VY Era
Obviously every team still has a long road ahead of them - need to keep winning and stay healthy.
It's too early for Longhorn fans to start worrying about. As a 1-loss team, I think we have a good shot because being the defending champion should give us the edge over another 1-loss team. And the more Colt McCoy emerges, and our offense finds an identity the better our odds are.
McCoy still has a ways to go. Less thinking and more reacting = finding the right receiver at the right time. He needs to internalize the stuff he already knows. But I like what I've seen. We still need to get the TEs involved, establish a deep-threat passing game and get an I-form package. I think we can use Shipley more in the I-form than in our base 3WR look, as he'll have less blocking responsibility.
It's too early for Longhorn fans to start worrying about. As a 1-loss team, I think we have a good shot because being the defending champion should give us the edge over another 1-loss team. And the more Colt McCoy emerges, and our offense finds an identity the better our odds are.
McCoy still has a ways to go. Less thinking and more reacting = finding the right receiver at the right time. He needs to internalize the stuff he already knows. But I like what I've seen. We still need to get the TEs involved, establish a deep-threat passing game and get an I-form package. I think we can use Shipley more in the I-form than in our base 3WR look, as he'll have less blocking responsibility.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Sentence 1 - agreed - anything can happen. Texas may end up as the only one loss team for instance. (Unlikely)BrockSamson;629436; said:
Sentence 2 - sorry, no way, wishful thinking. You are inventing a benefit that isn't there. Being the defending National Champion earns you no brownie points with voters, nor in the computer polls. Worse yet, the latter unforgivingly will include a Strength of Schedule assessment. This will favor Florida (should they end up with one loss) over Texas.
Sentence 3 - This is more wishful thinking, in so far as the NC game is concerned. Though, it is not unreasonable to say that if Texas does not go to the BCS Championship game, they still have a great shot at a BCS game. To which contest you will bring a more experienced and seasoned QB. (But you have to get by Missouri first as it presently stands).
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
Great job guys! I love the speculation about the National Championship game already! I hadn't formed my own opinion yet about who I thought we might end up against in the championship game (in the event that we win out). I ended up doing some research, and here are the...
BCS Championship Game Contender Resumes
*Teams in control of their own destinies...*
#1 Ohio State (6-0)
Key Wins: at #2 Texas 24-7, #24 Penn State 28-6, at #13 Iowa 38-17
Key Games Left: at Michigan State (10/14), #4 michigan (11/18)
Upset Alert: Minnesota (10/28) -- I had to put something... Glen Mason will pull out all the stops against OSU
#2 Florida (6-0)
Key Wins: at #13 Tennessee 21-20, Alabama 28-13, #9 LSU 23-10
Key Games Left: at #11 Auburn (10/14), #16 Georgia (10/28), at Florida State (11/25), SEC Championship Game (12/2)
Upset Alert: South Carolina (11/11) -- Steve Spurrier vs Fla. Should be a good one.
#3 USC (5-0)
Key Wins: at Arkansas 50-14, #19 Nebraska 28-10
Key Games Left: #18 Oregon (11/11), #10 California (11/18), #9 Notre Dame (11/25), at UCLA (12/02)
Upset Alert: Arizona State (10/14) -- ASU's two blemishes were against Cal and Oregon. They'll be looking to stop their 2-game losing skid next weekend at USC.
#4 michigan (6-0)
Key Wins: at #2 Notre Dame 47-21, Wisconsin 27-13
Key Games Left: at Penn State (10/14), #15 Iowa (10/21), at #1 Ohio State (11/18)
Upset Alert: at Indiana (11/11) -- Seriously, that's the closest team to upsets them outside of their key games left.
#5 West Virginia (5-0)
Key Wins: ::crickets chirping:: ...Maryland 45-24?
Key Games Left: at #7 Louisville (11/02), at Pittsburgh (11/16), #24 Rutgers (12/02)
Upset Alert: Syracuse (10/14) -- After closer-than-they-look games against East Carolina and Mississippi State, this too may be closer than the media will be predicting it to be...
#7 Louisville (5-0)
Key Wins: #17 Miami 31-7
Key Games Left: #5 West Virginia (11/02), at #24 Rutgers (11/09), at Pittsburgh (11/25)
Upset Alert: at Syracuse (10/21) -- Iowa proved it's hard to play in The Dome.
*Teams that need a little help... (the best of the 1-loss teams thus far)*
#6 Texas (5-1)
Key Wins: at #14 Oklahoma 28-14
Loss: #1 Ohio State 7-24
Key Games Left: at #21 Nebraska (10/21), at Texas Tech (10/28), Big 12 Championship Game (12/02)
Upset Alert: Texas A&M (11/24) -- Texas hate Aggie, Aggie hate Texas. 'Nuf said.
#8 Tennessee (5-1)
Key Wins: #9 California 35-18, at #10 Georgia 51-33
Loss: #7 Florida 20-21
Key Games Left: at South Carolina (10/28), #14 LSU (11/04), at #17 Arkansas (11/11), SEC Championship Game (if Florida losses 2 SEC games-- not likely - 12/02)
Upset Alert: Alabama (10/21) -- The Tide roll in after a bye week for the Vols. Us Buckeyes know what can happen after bye weeks...
#9 Notre Dame (5-1)
Key Wins: at Georgia Tech 14-10, #19 Penn State 41-17
Loss: #11 michigan 21-47
Key Games Left: UCLA (10/21), at #3 USC (11/25
Upset Alert: at Navy (10/28) -- ND's defense doesn't like QB's that run. Meet Navy, who found Nebraska's old option playbook in the trash one day. If the Domers come in to Annapolis with heads as big as their coach...
#10 California (5-1)
Key Wins: #22 Arizona State 49-21, #11 Oregon 45-24
Loss: at #23 Tennessee 18-35
Key Games Left: UCLA (11/04), at #3 USC (11/18)
Upset Alert: Washington (10/21) -- The Fightin' Willinghams already have wins over Fresno State and UCLA, and gave USC a run for their money.
#11 Auburn (5-1)
Key Wins:#6 LSU 7-3, at South Carolina 24-17
Loss: Arkansas 10-27
Key Games Left: #2 Florida (10/14), #16 Georgia (11/11), SEC Championship Game (if Arkansas losses 2 SEC games -- possible - 12/02)
Upset Alert: at Alabama (11/18) -- Traveling to 'Bama for the Iron Bowl and the teams shouldn't disappoint.
#12 Clemson (5-1)
Key Wins: at #9 Florida State 27-20, at Wake Forest 27-17
Loss: at Boston College 33-34
Key Games Left: #13 Georgia Tech (10/21), at #22 Virginia Tech (10/26), South Carolina (11/25), ACC Championship Game (if NC State losses 2 ACC games or losses to Clemson -- very likely - 12/02)
Upset Alert: NC State (11/25) -- May LOOK like a cupcake game the way NCST started the season, but NCST has consecutive wins over #20 Boston College and #17 Florida State on its resume.
Waiting List With Arguments: #13 Georgia Tech (W at VT), #17 Arkansas (W at AUB), #18 Oregon (W vs Okla)
Waiting List Without Arguments (yet): #15 Iowa, #16 Georgia, #19 Missouri, #20 Boise State, #21 Nebraska, #22 Virginia Tech, #24 Rutgers
Note: All games played were with rankings AT THE TIME OF THE GAME and all games to be played are with current rankings (as of October 8th)
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B-20's Honest Opinion: With all respect to our good friends from Texas, I think Tennessee is the best 1-loss team CURRENTLY, with wins over two top 10 teams. Notre Dame's ONLY shot at the championship game is if they win out, including a CONVINCING with at USC, which I will happily put money on them not pulling off. Watch Clemson. They're in a really dangerous spot to pull the #1 one-loss contender spot from Tenn and Texas.
As for the unbeatens, it's hard to get a good read on WV and Louisville because of the poor competition they have faced thus far in the season. However, due to Louisville doing so well without Bush and Brohm, having beaten a reeling Miami team, AND the game being at their place at night, I think the Cardinals pull the upset. USC has a TOUGH schedule yet to play and should have a loud argument if they win out. I'm also gonna be in the minority and pick that scUM losses one of their two big games pre-Nov 18th (at night at PSU, vs Iowa). If Florida wins out, they'll play us in the championship game. Mark that one down. They've played great thus far and have just as hard of a schedule left to play.
I have predictions about who will be in the title game, but I want to keep reading this thread and see what other people think before I post my thoughts
BCS Championship Game Contender Resumes
*Teams in control of their own destinies...*
#1 Ohio State (6-0)
Key Wins: at #2 Texas 24-7, #24 Penn State 28-6, at #13 Iowa 38-17
Key Games Left: at Michigan State (10/14), #4 michigan (11/18)
Upset Alert: Minnesota (10/28) -- I had to put something... Glen Mason will pull out all the stops against OSU
#2 Florida (6-0)
Key Wins: at #13 Tennessee 21-20, Alabama 28-13, #9 LSU 23-10
Key Games Left: at #11 Auburn (10/14), #16 Georgia (10/28), at Florida State (11/25), SEC Championship Game (12/2)
Upset Alert: South Carolina (11/11) -- Steve Spurrier vs Fla. Should be a good one.
#3 USC (5-0)
Key Wins: at Arkansas 50-14, #19 Nebraska 28-10
Key Games Left: #18 Oregon (11/11), #10 California (11/18), #9 Notre Dame (11/25), at UCLA (12/02)
Upset Alert: Arizona State (10/14) -- ASU's two blemishes were against Cal and Oregon. They'll be looking to stop their 2-game losing skid next weekend at USC.
#4 michigan (6-0)
Key Wins: at #2 Notre Dame 47-21, Wisconsin 27-13
Key Games Left: at Penn State (10/14), #15 Iowa (10/21), at #1 Ohio State (11/18)
Upset Alert: at Indiana (11/11) -- Seriously, that's the closest team to upsets them outside of their key games left.
#5 West Virginia (5-0)
Key Wins: ::crickets chirping:: ...Maryland 45-24?
Key Games Left: at #7 Louisville (11/02), at Pittsburgh (11/16), #24 Rutgers (12/02)
Upset Alert: Syracuse (10/14) -- After closer-than-they-look games against East Carolina and Mississippi State, this too may be closer than the media will be predicting it to be...
#7 Louisville (5-0)
Key Wins: #17 Miami 31-7
Key Games Left: #5 West Virginia (11/02), at #24 Rutgers (11/09), at Pittsburgh (11/25)
Upset Alert: at Syracuse (10/21) -- Iowa proved it's hard to play in The Dome.
*Teams that need a little help... (the best of the 1-loss teams thus far)*
#6 Texas (5-1)
Key Wins: at #14 Oklahoma 28-14
Loss: #1 Ohio State 7-24
Key Games Left: at #21 Nebraska (10/21), at Texas Tech (10/28), Big 12 Championship Game (12/02)
Upset Alert: Texas A&M (11/24) -- Texas hate Aggie, Aggie hate Texas. 'Nuf said.
#8 Tennessee (5-1)
Key Wins: #9 California 35-18, at #10 Georgia 51-33
Loss: #7 Florida 20-21
Key Games Left: at South Carolina (10/28), #14 LSU (11/04), at #17 Arkansas (11/11), SEC Championship Game (if Florida losses 2 SEC games-- not likely - 12/02)
Upset Alert: Alabama (10/21) -- The Tide roll in after a bye week for the Vols. Us Buckeyes know what can happen after bye weeks...
#9 Notre Dame (5-1)
Key Wins: at Georgia Tech 14-10, #19 Penn State 41-17
Loss: #11 michigan 21-47
Key Games Left: UCLA (10/21), at #3 USC (11/25
Upset Alert: at Navy (10/28) -- ND's defense doesn't like QB's that run. Meet Navy, who found Nebraska's old option playbook in the trash one day. If the Domers come in to Annapolis with heads as big as their coach...
#10 California (5-1)
Key Wins: #22 Arizona State 49-21, #11 Oregon 45-24
Loss: at #23 Tennessee 18-35
Key Games Left: UCLA (11/04), at #3 USC (11/18)
Upset Alert: Washington (10/21) -- The Fightin' Willinghams already have wins over Fresno State and UCLA, and gave USC a run for their money.
#11 Auburn (5-1)
Key Wins:#6 LSU 7-3, at South Carolina 24-17
Loss: Arkansas 10-27
Key Games Left: #2 Florida (10/14), #16 Georgia (11/11), SEC Championship Game (if Arkansas losses 2 SEC games -- possible - 12/02)
Upset Alert: at Alabama (11/18) -- Traveling to 'Bama for the Iron Bowl and the teams shouldn't disappoint.
#12 Clemson (5-1)
Key Wins: at #9 Florida State 27-20, at Wake Forest 27-17
Loss: at Boston College 33-34
Key Games Left: #13 Georgia Tech (10/21), at #22 Virginia Tech (10/26), South Carolina (11/25), ACC Championship Game (if NC State losses 2 ACC games or losses to Clemson -- very likely - 12/02)
Upset Alert: NC State (11/25) -- May LOOK like a cupcake game the way NCST started the season, but NCST has consecutive wins over #20 Boston College and #17 Florida State on its resume.
Waiting List With Arguments: #13 Georgia Tech (W at VT), #17 Arkansas (W at AUB), #18 Oregon (W vs Okla)
Waiting List Without Arguments (yet): #15 Iowa, #16 Georgia, #19 Missouri, #20 Boise State, #21 Nebraska, #22 Virginia Tech, #24 Rutgers
Note: All games played were with rankings AT THE TIME OF THE GAME and all games to be played are with current rankings (as of October 8th)
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B-20's Honest Opinion: With all respect to our good friends from Texas, I think Tennessee is the best 1-loss team CURRENTLY, with wins over two top 10 teams. Notre Dame's ONLY shot at the championship game is if they win out, including a CONVINCING with at USC, which I will happily put money on them not pulling off. Watch Clemson. They're in a really dangerous spot to pull the #1 one-loss contender spot from Tenn and Texas.
As for the unbeatens, it's hard to get a good read on WV and Louisville because of the poor competition they have faced thus far in the season. However, due to Louisville doing so well without Bush and Brohm, having beaten a reeling Miami team, AND the game being at their place at night, I think the Cardinals pull the upset. USC has a TOUGH schedule yet to play and should have a loud argument if they win out. I'm also gonna be in the minority and pick that scUM losses one of their two big games pre-Nov 18th (at night at PSU, vs Iowa). If Florida wins out, they'll play us in the championship game. Mark that one down. They've played great thus far and have just as hard of a schedule left to play.
I have predictions about who will be in the title game, but I want to keep reading this thread and see what other people think before I post my thoughts
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tundra1;629390; said:
Good point. I guess some team might be in the position of Auburn in 2004, undefeated but out of the championship game.
The six undefeated team control their own destiny ... until they get screwed by the BCS.
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2 early points to make regarding BCS and NC contenders:
If anyone has any doubt as to WVU/UL's weakness in the BCS go look at Tellshows site. Their SOS is abysmal. They will finish well behind any other team if it comes down to 3 undefeateds.
Also, believe it or not, USC would be ahead of UF right now in the BCS. They are actually #1 in the computer polls. If they both win out USC would somehow have the #1 SOS according to Tellshow. He is usually spot on so don't assume USC would finish behind anyone else if they run the table no matter how weak the Pac10 seems to be.
If anyone has any doubt as to WVU/UL's weakness in the BCS go look at Tellshows site. Their SOS is abysmal. They will finish well behind any other team if it comes down to 3 undefeateds.
Also, believe it or not, USC would be ahead of UF right now in the BCS. They are actually #1 in the computer polls. If they both win out USC would somehow have the #1 SOS according to Tellshow. He is usually spot on so don't assume USC would finish behind anyone else if they run the table no matter how weak the Pac10 seems to be.
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Wins over Fresno State are completely meaningless this year. Fresno State just lost to Utah State, one of the worst teams in the country.
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I've noticed that no one is talking about undefeated Missouri (6-0) in this discussion.
Of course there are perfectly good reasons for this, but at what point does Missouri enter the conversation? They play Oklahoma at home on the 28th and then go to Nebraska on Nov. 4. If they somehow get past these teams, I would imagine a Big 12 title game against Texas would have major implications.
Of course there are perfectly good reasons for this, but at what point does Missouri enter the conversation? They play Oklahoma at home on the 28th and then go to Nebraska on Nov. 4. If they somehow get past these teams, I would imagine a Big 12 title game against Texas would have major implications.
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
WVU key wins. crickets chirping...
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buckeyegrad;629602; said:
Probably for the same reason no one is mentioning Rutgers or Boise State. Undefeated doesn't = NC contender.
Major implications untill Texas stomps a mudhole in their ass and walks it dry. The media will play up the history of upsets in the B12 champ game to drum up interest for the game but I won't buy it for a second. Light years of difference between the rest of the B12 and Texas right now and Texas is only going to get better as the year goes on.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
I'll be happy as long as Ohio State gets in. I really don't care who they play.
West Virginia is definitely not getting any respect in the 6 BCS computer rankings (which is basically 1/3 of the BSC ranking):
Jeff Sagarin (Visit site) #15 (purple number) & #29 (red number)
Anderson & Hester (Visit site) #16
Richard Billingsley (Visit site) #5
Colley Matrix (Visit site) #15
Kenneth Massey (Visit site) #24
Dr. Peter Wolfe (Visit site) no rating yet
Several teams with one loss are already ahead of them in these rankings.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/rankings
West Virginia is definitely not getting any respect in the 6 BCS computer rankings (which is basically 1/3 of the BSC ranking):
Jeff Sagarin (Visit site) #15 (purple number) & #29 (red number)
Anderson & Hester (Visit site) #16
Richard Billingsley (Visit site) #5
Colley Matrix (Visit site) #15
Kenneth Massey (Visit site) #24
Dr. Peter Wolfe (Visit site) no rating yet
Several teams with one loss are already ahead of them in these rankings.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/rankings
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