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Who will play in the BCS Championship game?

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The computer polls are great and all but...they only come into play if the human polls don't match up. If WVU or Louisville is undefeated and noone else is they will be #2 in the human polls and the computer polls will mean shit. So one of them will face OSU in the BCS Title game in Glendale. Peace.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott;629650; said:
The computer polls are great and all but...they only come into play if the human polls don't match up. If WVU or Louisville is undefeated and noone else is they will be #2 in the human polls and the computer polls will mean shit. So one of them will face OSU in the BCS Title game in Glendale. Peace.
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That is not true. The computer polls do count, see the official BCS formula:

Compilation of Standings


Since the 2000 regular season, the BCS Standings have been compiled by the National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame.
The Standings include three components: USA Today Coaches Poll, Harris Interactive College Football Poll and an average of six computer rankings. Each component will count one-third toward a team's overall BCS score.
All three components shall be added together and averaged for a team's ranking in the BCS Standings. The team with the highest average shall rank first in the BCS Standings. The first BCS Standings of the 2005 season will be released on Sunday, October 15. The BCS Standings will be used for:

1. Selecting the teams that will participate in the national championship game.
2. Determining any other automatic qualifiers; and,
3. Establishing the pool of eligible teams for at-large selection.

A team's highest and lowest computer ranking will be discarded from figuring a team's computer poll average. Points will be assigned in inverse order of ranking from 1-25. The four remaining computer scores will be averaged and the total will be calculated as a percentage of 100.
All three components?The Harris Interactive Poll, the USA Today Coaches Poll and the computer rankings?shall be added together and averaged for a team's ranking in the BCS standings. The team with the highest average shall rank first in the BCS standings, per http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/rankings

Theoretically a team could finish #2 in both polls; and a lower position (even as low as 5 or 6) in the computer ranking could bump them out of the #2 spot in the BSC ranking. See the math:

.........................Harris.....USA/Today....computer rank...BCS ave.
Ohio State............1............1.....................1...................1.00
USC or Florida......3.............3....................2....................2.66
West Virginia........2.............2....................5....................3.00
 
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ScriptOhio;629658; said:
Theoretically a team could finish #2 in both polls; and a lower position (even as low as 5 or 6) in the computer ranking could bump them out of the #2 spot in the BSC ranking. See the math:

.........................Harris.....USA/Today....computer rank...BCS ave.
Ohio State............1............1.....................1...................1.00
USC or Florida......3.............3....................2....................2.66
West Virginia........2.............2....................5....................3.00
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What you say is true, but the examples aren't correct numerically. Numbers are given based on the % of the maximum possible in each category.

If every poll voter had tOSU-W.Va-USC(or Fla) ranked 1-2-3, and every computer had them 1-5-2, this would be the result:

.........................Harris.....USA/Today....computer rank...BCS ave.
Ohio State..........1.0000.....1.0000...........1.0000.............1.0000
USC or Florida......0.9200.....0.9200...........0.9600.............0.9333
West Virginia.......0.9600.....0.9600............0.8400.............0.9200
 
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BB73;629843; said:
What you say is true, but the examples aren't correct numerically. Numbers are given based on the % of the maximum possible in each category.

If every poll voter had tOSU-W.Va-USC(or Fla) ranked 1-2-3, and every computer had them 1-5-2, this would be the result:

.........................Harris.....USA/Today....computer rank...BCS ave.
Ohio State..........1.0000.....1.0000...........1.0000.............1.0000
USC or Florida......0.9200.....0.9200...........0.9600.............0.9333
West Virginia.......0.9600.....0.9600............0.8400.............0.9200
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Yea, I knew that. I just tried to keep it simple to prove a point.

The worst case senario was the 2003 season where USC finished #1 in both polls (but 3rd in the BCS standings) on "selection Sunday"; and Oklahoma and LSU played for the BCS Championship.
 
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ScriptOhio;629907; said:
Yea, I knew that. I just tried to keep it simple to prove a point.

The worst case senario was the 2003 season where USC finished #1 in both polls (but 3rd in the BCS standings) on "selection Sunday"; and Oklahoma and LSU played for the BCS Championship.
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The rules you described went into effect for the 2004 season in an attempt to prevent that from happening again. It's still possible, but much less likely.
 
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fourteenandoh;629654; said:
do y'all really think that no one else will go undefeated? i think there will be three or more undefeateds.
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Come on Catz - there is no way there will be more than 2 unbeatens.

IMHO Michigan goes down to PSU this weekend, Cal romps USC and Florida loses to Auburn in a tight game. Its really going to come down to OSU vs WV/L'ville winner. Crap schedule or not - the winner of that game gets in and thats how it should be. If everyone else has 1 loss why hold back a team that ran the table and did everything they were supposed to? Even if they are not that great and will get destroyed in the title game.
 
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unbeatens

I don't see scUM making it to Nov. 18th undefeated either... and that's too bad. I WANT them to be undefeated. I see them losing to either PSU or Iowa. I don't want them to be big underdogs on Nov. 18th --- I would rather see #1 OSU vs. #3 Uof M.

Then, of course, I want a 50-14 reprise of the 1968 game!!!

Except that JT won't go for a two point conversion!

Go Bucks
 
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WALNUTS05;630067; said:
Come on Catz - there is no way there will be more than 2 unbeatens.

IMHO Michigan goes down to PSU this weekend, Cal romps USC and Florida loses to Auburn in a tight game. Its really going to come down to OSU vs WV/L'ville winner. Crap schedule or not - the winner of that game gets in and thats how it should be. If everyone else has 1 loss why hold back a team that ran the table and did everything they were supposed to? Even if they are not that great and will get destroyed in the title game.
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Because that tells everyone that you need to schedule the weakest crap-fest of a schedule that you possibly can because you won't be penalized for it come BCS time. Why REWARD a cowardly schedule?

But this is all beside the point. With the system as we have it, a team should not be penalized for a bad schedule or rewarded for a good one per se. Pollsters should honestly evaluate each team and rank a team ahead of another if they think they are better, regarless of record. But that isn't what happens.

How many here doubt that there will be 3-loss teams in some conferences that would SMOKE an unbeaten Boise State like a cheap cigar?

That is where a decent schedule comes in. If you play at least a couple of decent teams, people have a reasonable standard against which to compare you. If you refuse to play anyone good, then don't whine when people disagree with your assessment of the team. If you gave them a decent standard for comparison (a decent schedule), then you'd be able to make a legitimate argument. If you DON't give them a decent standard of comparison, treat yourself to a nice long drink of ShutTheHellUp.
 
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WALNUTS05;630067; said:
Come on Catz - there is no way there will be more than 2 unbeatens.

IMHO Michigan goes down to PSU this weekend, Cal romps USC and Florida loses to Auburn in a tight game. Its really going to come down to OSU vs WV/L'ville winner. Crap schedule or not - the winner of that game gets in and thats how it should be. If everyone else has 1 loss why hold back a team that ran the table and did everything they were supposed to? Even if they are not that great and will get destroyed in the title game.
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that'd be real convenient for your hypothesis. so the BCS is going to hell in a handbasket this weekend huh? USC and Florida will be fine and then we're still gonna have WVU/UL to deal with. btw catz is spelled with a K!
 
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DaddyBigBucks;630187; said:
Because that tells everyone that you need to schedule the weakest crap-fest of a schedule that you possibly can because you won't be penalized for it come BCS time. Why REWARD a cowardly schedule?

But this is all beside the point. With the system as we have it, a team should not be penalized for a bad schedule or rewarded for a good one per se. Pollsters should honestly evaluate each team and rank a team ahead of another if they think they are better, regarless of record. But that isn't what happens.

How many here doubt that there will be 3-loss teams in some conferences that would SMOKE an unbeaten Boise State like a cheap cigar?

That is where a decent schedule comes in. If you play at least a couple of decent teams, people have a reasonable standard against which to compare you. If you refuse to play anyone good, then don't whine when people disagree with your assessment of the team. If you gave them a decent standard for comparison (a decent schedule), then you'd be able to make a legitimate argument. If you DON't give them a decent standard of comparison, treat yourself to a nice long drink of ShutTheHellUp.
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Exactly - these arguments just prove the point that current system will never work. I am 100% AGAINST a playoff format but I am 100% for a plus one game after the BCS bowls. If that is the case then an undefeated West VA gets beat in the first game and can sip on their glass of shut the hell up while a team like USC/Florida/Tennesee/M*chigan gets a chance at the #1 seed. Just like the Final Four
 
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WALNUTS05;630388; said:
Exactly - these arguments just prove the point that current system will never work. I am 100% AGAINST a playoff format but I am 100% for a plus one game after the BCS bowls. If that is the case then an undefeated West VA gets beat in the first game and can sip on their glass of shut the hell up while a team like USC/Florida/Tennesee/M*chigan gets a chance at the #1 seed. Just like the Final Four
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that would work well. i see nothing wrong with that. they always said that they couldn't do it becuase that would cause the season to go too deep into january, but they shot that to hell when they added the BCS game this year. play the 1vs4 and the 2vs3 on Jan 1 then play the winners a week later in the BCS championship game
 
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