Who now for the title game?

[Yertle]

This is incredible. As OSU and Michigan continue to dominate college football (except for both games last week), the rest of the field is backing up! It's like watching Tiger Woods win the open at Pebble Beach. Only 2 of the top 5 teams won this week!!! And we all know who the two are. That means previous #6 (Florida, who nearly lost) will likely be the front-runner for the BCS NC game. I know this isn't news to anybody, but it's difficult for me to grasp just how far in front these two teams are. Whoever wins the game will be HUGE favorites on January 8th. HUGE!!! I wasn't a fan of the rematch idea just because I don't think it's good for college football, but after yesterday, no other team is really showing that they are deserving of playing the winner. I think I'm starting to change my mind. These are CLEARLY the two best teams in college football, and therefore, they deserve to play for the NC.

My prediction for The Game, Part 1:

Buckeyes 27
Michigan 16

 

[Woody1968]

If Rutgers goes undefeated and isn't ranked #2 at the end of the regular season, there is something seriously wrong with the current system. I knew there would be problems when they tweaked the BCS after the season in which the Human pollsters had USC #1 and The BCS had Oklahoma and LSU in the championship game. IMHO the BCS had it right. Not to mention the fact that Despite undefeated tOSU playing against Miami and beating them the year before, the system was tweaked because many idiots maintained that tOSU did not deserve to be playing for the MNC. The Big East is still a BCS conference. It is better than the ACC, it is arguably on par with the Pac-10. An undefeated Big East Champion has more of a right to play than a 1 loss champion from another BCS Conference - period.

 

[ulukinatme]

An undefeated Big East Champion has more of a right to play than a 1 loss champion from another BCS Conference - period

I disagree, and many voters seem to as well. While Rutgers definitly has had a great team this year, a 1 loss USC or 1 loss Florida still have the BCS clout and votes to go ahead of a Rutgers schedule and undefeated record. Next year, if Rutgers is still on the map (Hopefully they are), if they can put together another season like this one, they'll be in the hunt again...provided there aren't a bunch of other undefeated teams with tougher schedules. Lets put it this way...would you say your NC spot has equal footing with another undefeated team such as yourself? Aside from Louisville, Rutgers hasn't really had any quality opponents, Illinoise maybe being the closest. Boise State's schedule is even worse.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If Rutgers goes undefeated and isn't ranked #2 at the end of the regular season, there is something seriously wrong with the current system. I knew there would be problems when they tweaked the BCS after the season in which the Human pollsters had USC #1 and The BCS had Oklahoma and LSU in the championship game. IMHO the BCS had it right. Not to mention the fact that Despite undefeated tOSU playing against Miami and beating them the year before, the system was tweaked because many idiots maintained that tOSU did not deserve to be playing for the MNC. The Big East is still a BCS conference. It is better than the ACC, it is arguably on par with the Pac-10. An undefeated Big East Champion has more of a right to play than a 1 loss champion from another BCS Conference - period.

I would disagree strongly.

Assume the Cal>USC>ND scenario plays out and that the SEC champ ends up with 2 losses(neither is that far of a stretch).

Now lets assume The Game comes down to a late field goal and is decided by 3 points or less.

You really believe Rutgers derves a NC shot more than the loser(no matter how strongly you may feel about a rematch)?

I completely dismissed the rematch talk when I first heard it. After this past weekend I'm taking it seriously. The rest of the field is just that weak.

 

[Mike80]

I would disagree strongly.

Assume the Cal>USC>ND scenario plays out and that the SEC champ ends up with 2 losses(neither is that far of a stretch).

Now lets assume The Game comes down to a late field goal and is decided by 3 points or less.

You really believe Rutgers derves a NC shot more than the loser(no matter how strongly you may feel about a rematch)?

I completely dismissed the rematch talk when I first heard it. After this past weekend I'm taking it seriously. The rest of the field is just that weak.

With the new BCS numbers out, I don't really see how the loser of the OSU/scUM game can get back into it.

Besides that's a LOT of teams to lose. Eventually one of them will screw up and win a game....

 

[Woody1968]

I still stand by it.

No, I believe an undefeated team from a BCS conference deserves to play for the championship before a 1 loss team. If this was Miami, when they were in the Big East, we would have no problem putting them in the title game. They would have even "painted the endzones" as computerbuck used to say. USC had the benefit of running the table in the Pac-10 for the past couple of years. No, the ONLY reason this debate is going on is because it is Rutgers we are talking about, and the voters are biased against Rutgers, because they have stunk for so long. Louisville was 3rd and they didn't play anyone either. Before Louisville, WVU had 2 first place votes and was ready to go. They hadn't played anyone either. The fact is, all these 1 loss teams were ranked high to begin with, and didn't have to work their way from the realm of the unranked preseason, like Rutgers.

 

[BB73]

With the new BCS numbers out, I don't really see how the loser of the OSU/scUM game can get back into it.

Besides that's a LOT of teams to lose. Eventually one of them will screw up and win a game....

The BCS numbers move dramatically with each loss among the top teams. Say both of the SEC teams lose. That's almost an even money proposition. Now let's say that ND beats USC, W. Va. beats Rutgers, and tOSU beats TSUN. All very possible.

That leaves ND and TSUN as the most logical choices for the number 2 team. How many voters would place ND ahead of TSUN, when they each have 1 loss, and TSUN's is to #1 tOSU, and ND's is a 47-21 beating by TSUN in South Bend?

 

[Woody1968]

I disagree, and many voters seem to as well. While Rutgers definitly has had a great team this year, a 1 loss USC or 1 loss Florida still have the BCS clout and votes to go ahead of a Rutgers schedule and undefeated record. Next year, if Rutgers is still on the map (Hopefully they are), if they can put together another season like this one, they'll be in the hunt again...provided there aren't a bunch of other undefeated teams with tougher schedules. Lets put it this way...would you say your NC spot has equal footing with another undefeated team such as yourself? Aside from Louisville, Rutgers hasn't really had any quality opponents, Illinoise maybe being the closest. Boise State's schedule is even worse.

I didn't say they would go, I said they should go, and I stand by my statement. Florida looks terrible, by the way. They will lose at least one game.

 

[Jaxbuck]

With the new BCS numbers out, I don't really see how the loser of the OSU/scUM game can get back into it.

Besides that's a LOT of teams to lose. Eventually one of them will screw up and win a game....

depends on how far they drop in the human polls which will be determined by how close The Game is. If we win handily forget it, tsun is out. If we lose a close one then we have as much right as anyone.

As far as those two scanrios go I agree, thats a alot of "if's" but when you think about them they are very plausible. My only real question is can Cal beat USC and can LSU beat Arkansas. I have zero doubt USC will shit-hammer ND or that Arkansas will put an end to UF in the SECC game.

 

[Best Buckeye]

given all that then why leave boise state out of it ? They are undefeated so why not The Bucks against boise

 

[Woody1968]

Because Boise State is not in a BCS conference.

 

[Buckin' A]

I don't know why this was never thought of before, but why don't they just go to a play-off system?

 

[Best Buckeye]

Now you are saying a reason to keep boise out of it just like others are using a reason to keep Rutgers out. Boise is undefeated, they deserve to go as much as rutgers.:)

 

[Woody1968]

ugh. It is not the same thing at all. Rutgers is in a BCS Conference. Boise State is not. Simply being undefeated is not enough. The team also needs to be in a BCS conference. This is how the system was set up in the first place. But say that all the other teams have two losses. and Rutgers loses to one of the remaining teams on their schedule. Now, only then, I would consider Boise State over 1 loss UM. OK? Because I don't like rematches, they remind me of 1996 Florida.

 

[Best Buckeye]

ugh. It is not the same thing at all. Rutgers is in a BCS Conference. Boise State is not. Simply being undefeated is not enough. The team also needs to be in a BCS conference. This is how the system was set up in the first place. But say that all the other teams have two losses. and Rutgers loses to one of the remaining teams on their schedule. Now I would consider Boise State over 1 loss UM. OK?

Bingo and if the "system " says that rutgers doesnt get into the game then.........