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Who now for the title game?

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I have two problems with rematches.

The refrain most commonly heard in lobbying for a playoff is to let the teams "prove it on the field".

So if it is Texas and OSU in Glendale let's cancel the game because there is nothing left to prove. Which leads to the second point.

A rematch is inherently unfair to the team that won the first time. We have already hung the Longhorn's scalp on our belt. If we win the second time we have nothing we didn't have already. If we lose it is as though the first game never happened.

I am OK with rematches provided there is third game if the first two have opposite results. That would be fair.

But you are correct, everyone sees it differently.
 
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Quite surprising when you look at the margins in those "one loss" games:

ND by 14
Texas by 17
Auburn by 17
Arkansas by 36
Cal by 17
Florida by 10

Among the contenders only USC losing by two can argue they were in a winnable game - and that one was not as close as the score indicates.

Really remarkable when you think about it.

I guess that's why I remarked.

And another good argument for the OSU-Michigan loser should that be a close game.
 
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Cornerback6;658002; said:
I don't think there's anyway a serious voter could slate Rutgers (who in my opinion would get dominated) into the championship game. I have lost a ton of faith for the Big East especially on the defensive side of the ball after that ridiculous 1,000 yard game (WVU vs. UL). I think Rutgers is worthy of top 25 by all means, but championship game...no way.
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I have to disagree regarding Rutgers. First thing, it is naive to think that the championship game consistently pits the 2 best teams in football. I suspect it rarely does that (although last year, it probably did). And in fact, in no sport do you typically get the 2 best teams at the end of the seaon. You get who earned it, which means sometimes lesser teams beat better teams. Teams get better or worse as the season progresses, so I am not sure you could even define what it means to be the better team.

IF (really big if because I doubt they will do it) Rutgers wins out, they will have beat a #3 team and a #10 team. Their SOS may be not quite as good as many other teams, but its not that much worse. And the fact of the matter is they will have won all their games, which the other schools can't claim. It would be a travesty for a team to have run the table, beat several top 25 teams, and be passed up by teams that didn't (or couldn't) run the table. All the other 1 loss teams have looked pretty weak in several of their games. If Rutgers can't get in with a perfect season, we're really saying there is an entire class of football teams that are simply not worthy of ever playing for the MNC. I think that is bullshit. Again, its not like their SOS was THAT bad.

I personally think that if they make it to Glendale, they will have their asses handed to them. But they will have earned the right to be there.

By the way, Thursday night the Rutgers D looked outstanding against a pretty good Louisville offense.
 
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Teams get better or worse as the season progresses, so I am not sure you could even define what it means to be the better team.
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This is the problematic issue for any championship IMO. Who are you crowning? Any sport with a playoff crowns whoever is playing best that day/week/month.

Traditionally CFB has looked at the best team that season. I like that.

Flawed as they are polls - human or computer - probably address that better than even the single championship game we have now. Who was the best team in the country last season if Vince Young was injured on the last play of the Big XII Championship game? Were the baseball Cardinals better than the Tigers this year, or did the Tigers beat themselves by playing well, winning early, and sitting for a week?

Ultimately we are trying to prove the unprovable. I am opposed to a playoff because I hate to see the regular season discounted in the name of making a vain attempt.


IF (really big if because I doubt they will do it) Rutgers wins out, they will have beat a #3 team and a #10 team.
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Similar to the arugment above. If those two opponents drop out of the top 10 by the end of the year how much credit do you give Rutgers? Was Louisville really #3, or were the polls wrong (or rather incomplete) at the time?
 
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USC wins out and goes, both on SOS and talkingheads promos because there is a lot of money to be made. This could be "a game that could/should have been" last year. Everyone would be ranting about this game. The sos willl put them above Fla and Tex even if those two win out.
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Auburn's out... I agree with what O8ch said about the rematches. Its not fair to the winner... Its very hard to beat a good team twice... I'm not saying we would lose to UT the 2nd time around I just don't want to think about it.

Now if UF wins it should be a solid 3 in the BCS because they'll move up in the polls and have better computer numbers than UT. UF is the team I think that benefits from Rutgers and Georgia wins. However its 7-7 now.
 
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Not all the games are done tonight but from what I'm seeing go ahead and let Rutgers in if they run the table. All the 1 loss teams are showing major blemishes.

Also I agree to a point about not allowing a rematch but it might just have to happen. The loser of The Game, if its close, will have a pretty damn valid argument imo.

UF looks like shit many weeks in a row, I don't see them beating FSU and Arkansas.
UT is losing, McCoy is hurt and how could they get a NC shot if we lose to scUM?

USC/Cal/ND circle jerk looks worse all the time. ND shouldn't get ahead of a 1 loss tsun.

I'm seeing Rutgers or Arkansas at this point.
 
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USC/Cal/ND circle jerk looks worse all the time. ND shouldn't get ahead of a 1 loss tsun.
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Wow, Texas is now down by 3 TDs with less than 5 minutes in the 3rd, and K-State has totally taken control of this game. With Auburn, Louisville, and Cal losing this week...the championship game definitly got interesting again.

The way I see it right now, I don't think Rutgers is gonna get enough love from the voters to get to #2, Arkansas has a better shot I think at this point, but when it comes down to it I think there are 3 teams that have the best chance of getting in now: Florida, USC, and Notre Dame.

Sure, Notre Dame lost a big one to a #2 Michigan team, USC lost a close one against an Oregon State team, and Florida is losing close ones left and right too along with their 1 loss. We could easily wind up with an OSU/ND rematch with the loses today. If Florida can't handle their SEC championship game, and ND plays another close one and gets the revenge against USC, they move back to #2 after the OSU/Michigan game.

So, how do you guys feel about a rematch against the Irish, a shot at topping 617 yards maybe? :wink2:
 
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neomits;658716; said:
how crazy/awesome/likely would it be for all these "best 1 loss teams" to end up as 2 loss teams at the end of the season.
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If Cal beats USC who then beats ND, they'll have 2 losses. Florida can easily have 2 losses.

In that case who would you take:

OSU/scUM loser or West Virginia/Rutgers winner??
 
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My current top 5

OSU
UM
Arkansas
UF/USC tie
Rutgers

OK thats 6 but those are the only teams left with any shot at the NC imo.

I'm not saying all this will happen but these are reasonable possibilities:

-UF can still lose to FSU and/or the SEC game
-Arkansas can still lose to LSU then beat UF
-USC can lose to Cal(maybe to Oregon but its 14-0 at half) and beat ND

At that point, as mentioned above, its either a rematch of The Game or the pollsters take Rutgers over a 1 loss OSU/UM.

Very wierd year.
 
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