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Who Dey, Saints!!!

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Classic example of the cover up being worse than the actual crime. The Saints were caught lying about the program when wasked about it, then chose to cover it up instead of actually stopping it.

The people who think it was just about the bounties themselves are missing the point. They got hammered because the coaching staff knew about it, promoted it, lied about it and covered it up.

Frankly, I thought Payton was smarter than that. Apparently not. :lol:
 
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Jake;2129622; said:
Classic example of the cover up being worse than the actual crime. The Saints were caught lying about the program when wasked about it, then chose to cover it up instead of actually stopping it.

The people who think it was just about the bounties themselves are missing the point. They got hammered because the coaching staff knew about it, promoted it, lied about it and covered it up.

Frankly, I thought Payton was smarter than that. Apparently not. :lol:
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Never underestimate the power of self-preservation. We learned about that first hand, unfortunately.
 
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Jake;2129622; said:
Classic example of the cover up being worse than the actual crime. The Saints were caught lying about the program when wasked about it, then chose to cover it up instead of actually stopping it.

The people who think it was just about the bounties themselves are missing the point. They got hammered because the coaching staff knew about it, promoted it, lied about it and covered it up.

Frankly, I thought Payton was smarter than that. Apparently not. :lol:
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Pretty much what I think. The "crime" was in not going along with the NFL's charade of denying the nature of the beast - modern gladiatorial games that make hundreds of millions of dollars for the money men that leave a trail of injured, brain damaged, arthritic paupers. It is very, very important to make everyone think that the nature of the game is something other than what it is - a violent game played by violent men for the enjoyment of spectators who care more about winning than what happens to the players.

The Saints got "off message" and had to be punished.

The response to the cover up showed everyone in the NFL just how serious the powers that be are in their insistence that everyone be walking the Company Line. IMO.
 
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Onebuckfan;2129624; said:
The bounty program was stupid but its just more ammunition for the we have to save the players from themselves crowd..How many years to Two Hand touch or 7on 7.
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There's a big difference between paying for and encouraging big hits and paying for and encouraging doing anything to injure another player.
 
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Bucky32;2129633; said:
There's a big difference between paying for and encouraging big hits and paying for and encouraging doing anything to injure another player.
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I agree with you. If the intent was to reward laying the wood, then big f-ing deal. If guys were - say - trying to take down a guy so that he would twist a knee to create an injury, or maneuver the guy to land on his wrist to try to sprain or break it - they can suspend them forever if that could be proven.

I just don't know how they could prove that specific intent. "Take them out of the game" is walking a line that can be read two ways. I'm yelling "Kill that son of a bitch" whenever some mutt qb is scrambling, but i do not want them dead...just unconscious and fumbling. :lol:
 
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Bucky32;2129633; said:
There's a big difference between paying for and encouraging big hits and paying for and encouraging doing anything to injure another player.
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I agree with what you say but as the medicine of concussions continues to evolve the clammer for a safer game will evolve. Just look where Pro football has come from since 1970. Dick Butkus, Jack Tatum(my favorite Defensive Buckeye), and others make Harrison look like a choir boy.
 
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Gatorubet;2129631; said:
Pretty much what I think. The "crime" was in not going along with the NFL's charade of denying the nature of the beast - modern gladiatorial games that make hundreds of millions of dollars for the money men that leave a trail of injured, brain damaged, arthritic paupers. It is very, very important to make everyone think that the nature of the game is something other than what it is - a violent game played by violent men for the enjoyment of spectators who care more about winning than what happens to the players.

The Saints got "off message" and had to be punished.

The response to the cover up showed everyone in the NFL just how serious the powers that be are in their insistence that everyone be walking the Company Line. IMO.
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Then factor in what an easy target Payton, Vitt, and Loomis are after their vicodin cover-up, and you have a year long suspension that likely won't draw much of an appeal.

I'm sure Roger could have a pretty nasty talk with all 3 of these guys about how bad it would look for everyone if a Super Bowl winning coach was on tape stealing drugs from a medical cabinet :rofl:
 
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Onebuckfan;2129640; said:
I agree with what you say but as the medicine of concussions continues to evolve the clammer for a safer game will evolve. Just look where Pro football has come from since 1970. Dick Butkus, Jack Tatum(my favorite Defensive Buckeye), and others make Harrison look like a choir boy.
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Also watch old film of Night Train Lane in the 50s and 60s and his clothesline tackle, which looks like the inspiration for Stan "The Lariat" Hansen and other wrestlers. The game evolves by the generation, you are correct. I understand the desire for hard hits, collisions, contact...on the other hand, if you really love football and respect the people playing it, you don't want to see them all debilitated for 50 years either. They know the risks and are willing to take them, but that doesn't mean that evolution of safety in sport is a bad thing.

As for the 'Aints, they basically dared the NFL to do something about it, and they dared the wrong guy...I don't feel bad for them at all, whether the punishments are "harsh" or not.
 
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Bucklion;2129655; said:
Also watch old film of Night Train Lane in the 50s and 60s and his clothesline tackle, which looks like the inspiration for Stan "The Lariat" Hansen and other wrestlers. The game evolves by the generation, you are correct. I understand the desire for hard hits, collisions, contact...on the other hand, if you really love football and respect the people playing it, you don't want to see them all debilitated for 50 years either. They know the risks and are willing to take them, but that doesn't mean that evolution of safety in sport is a bad thing.

As for the 'Aints, they basically dared the NFL to do something about it, and they dared the wrong guy...I don't feel bad for them at all, whether the punishments are "harsh" or not.
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Let us not forget "Dirty" Erich Barnes of the Giants and Bill Sprinkle of the Bears. The Browns got so tired of Erich taking out their receivers that they traded for him. Sprinkle closelined Otto Graham and put him out of the game.
 
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Watching SportsCenter and seeing a montage of interviews with NO government officials comparing the suspension of Sean Peyton to Hurricane Katrina.

That's great perspective.
 
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