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Who Dey, Saints!!!

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BuckeyeNation27;2129434; said:
That's not even close to the same thing. Do they give out stickers for intentionally injuring other players and knocking them out of the game.......in some cases ending careers?
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Can it be proven that the bounty system caused the players to play dirtier? Or did it encourage the players to hit harder?

Serious question, because I don't recall anyone complaining about how dirty the Saints played- or at least no dirtier than any other team out there.
 
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CentralMOBuck;2129420; said:
For the people that agree with punishing of the bounty system, what do you think about tOSU handing out helmet stickers for the "biggest hit on game day"?
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Pretty large difference between the "biggest hit" and intentionally trying to knock opposing players out of the game by injuring them.
 
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Buckeye86;2129435; said:
Can it be proven that the bounty system caused the players to play dirtier? Or did it encourage the players to hit harder?

Serious question, because I don't recall anyone complaining about how dirty the Saints played- or at least no dirtier than any other team out there.
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The Vikings and Cardinals have.
 
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If they start fining/suspending current players don't be surprised if Malcolm Jenkins is included.

Obviously Jonathon Vilma is screwed as the ring-leader of this practice. Also keep in mind who ratted the team out. The layers you can peel back on this thing is incredible.

Who remembers Uncle Luke and his pay-outs? Who thinks the bounty program at the U ever stopped?

Why was Jeremy Shockey so knowledgable about how the bounty program worked? That's right...he went to the U with Vilma.

Anyways, keep a close eye on the vicodin story and Payton. IMO, it is going to become very popular soon...it was a time-bomb 2 years ago that disappeared once Goodell stepped in for the NFL. Everyone is going to catch wind of Payton stealing from medical cabinets soon, not that it was ever a secret. It was just never mainstream...
 
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BuckeyeNation27;2129434; said:
That's not even close to the same thing. Do they give out stickers for intentionally injuring other players and knocking them out of the game.......in some cases ending careers?
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I think I see a line being established by BB73 - How soon do the bucks eliminate the "Biggest Hit of the Week" award?

I think the political climate will make it all but mandatory. After all, one law suit in Seattle led to a mandatory annual 6 hour injury seminar for all Ohio High School coaches regardless of sport.

One case of a coach grabbing a kid by his face guard and chewing him out led to a two hour with film mandatory session on coaching and being "nice" for all Greater Cincinnati League coaches.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;2129434; said:
That's not even close to the same thing. Do they give out stickers for intentionally injuring other players and knocking them out of the game.......in some cases ending careers?
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Big hits are likely to knock players out of games or cause career-ending injuries. People celebrate them anyway.
 
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billmac91;2129441; said:
If they start fining/suspending current players don't be surprised if Malcolm Jenkins is included.

Obviously Jonathon Vilma is screwed as the ring-leader of this practice. Also keep in mind who ratted the team out. The layers you can peel back on this thing is incredible.

Who remembers Uncle Luke and his pay-outs? Who thinks the bounty program at the U ever stopped?

Why was Jeremy Shockey so knowledgable about how the bounty program worked? That's right...he went to the U with Vilma.

Anyways, keep a close eye on the vicodin story and Payton. IMO, it is going to become very popular soon...it was a time-bomb 2 years ago that disappeared once Goodell stepped in for the NFL. Everyone is going to catch wind of Payton stealing from medical cabinets soon, not that it was ever a secret. It was just never mainstream...
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What's this?
 
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NFBuck;2129446; said:
What's this?
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http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/04/suit_against_new_orleans_saint.html

Saints security director, Geoff Santini, was forced to resign (fired) by the Saints after the medical team found out the coaching staff was stealing pain killers from the medical cabinet. Santini got to the bottom of where the drugs were disappearing to, and then he was abruptly fired.

Santini tried suing the Saints, but Goodell stepped in. The lawsuit fell under Goodell's jurisdiction since Santini was an employee of the NFL. Anyways, nobody has heard a peep from Santini in quite a while after Goodell stepped in. Obviosuly the guy was well compensated.

And obviously Goodell can't cover for Payton anymore than he already has. Not to mention, Joe Vitt was the other coach accused of stealing with Payton. Who else was the hammer dropped on?

1+1='s 2 in this case. This suspension isn't just about bounties. It's about a locker-room out of control.
In a 12-page lawsuit filed in Jefferson Parish, Santini claims that he was forced to quit because he wouldn't cooperate with his bosses' orders to keep quiet about stolen Vicodin pills linked to two senior staff members.
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The two senior staffers are not named in the lawsuit, which says that both were taking the pills from a drug cabinet.

During a four-month period in 2009, about 130 Vicodin pills went unaccounted for, Santini said, including a night in April when his hidden camera caught one of the two senior staffers stealing Vicodin from the cabinet at the team's facility in Metairie.

Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis told Santini "to keep all of this confidential," the lawsuit says, and to "let it go."

Santini, who said he recorded conversations about the missing Vicodin with his supervisors and other staff members, said he was instructed to create false records to conceal both federal and state criminal violations.

"I'd rather get smacked by the league than get indicted by a federal grand jury or a state grand jury," Santini said, according to a transcript of one recorded conversation with the team's head trainer, Scottie Patton, that is included in the lawsuit. "Because if we cover this up, we committed felonies."

The suit quotes Patton as replying, "Yeah."

The lawsuit says that on April 28, 2009, Patton first met with Santini to tell him that Vicodin pills were missing. Patton said one of the two senior staff members has a painful medical condition, but the other did not, the suit says. In August, though, team owner Tom Benson was told that both staff members had medical conditions requiring Vicodin, Santini said.

By June 23, Santini reported the matter to the U.S. attorney's office, as he says Loomis ordered.

"Loomis admitted during the conversation that corrective action had been taken to ensure that (senior staff member B) received treatment and would not steal any additional pills," the lawsuit says.

Santini said Loomis told him about a need to keep one of the senior staff member's name out of conversations with the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Santini, who spent 31 years as a federal agent, in the 1990s was a lead investigator on the government's corruption case against former Gov. Edwin Edwards.
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