Which baseball record will never be broken?

[ScriptOhio]

Yogi's opinion

Yogi Berra (US Presswire) Yogi Berra, Hall of Famer: The Yankees' five consecutive World Series crowns between 1949 and 1953.

"We were the only ones who have ever done that. Now, guys keep changing teams. It's tough to win. You've got playoffs today, and that makes it tough, boy. You've got to keep winning."

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[zBuckeye10z]

In an era where a 20 game winner is a rarity (and where managers will opt for the fresh arm (relief pitcher)), 511 wins is all but impossible.

How can you figure that. Pitchers today barely make it to 300 wins by the time they are 38-40 years old, and thats only 300 compared to 511. How long do you want these pitchers to stay in the league?

 

[bucknutz]

Cy Young's 511 wins.

What about Pete Rose's hit record?

 

[sandgk]

How can you figure that. Pitchers today barely make it to 300 wins by the time they are 38-40 years old, and thats only 300 compared to 511. How long do you want these pitchers to stay in the league?

I don't think you or BKB are in disagreement.
Reread it:

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Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks
In an era where a 20 game winner is a rarity (and where managers will opt for the fresh arm (relief pitcher)), 511 wins is all but impossible.

Put simply can't get there from here, Cy Young's record is insurmountable.

 

[Mike80]

Cy Young's 511 wins.

What about Pete Rose's hit record?

I think Rose's hit record is attainable, especially if a player comes up when he's 19 and plays to his late 30s or early 40s.

If ARod or Andruw Jones were more contact type hitters instead of power hitters, they'd be prime candidates.

If Ichiro had started his career in the MLB, I think he'd be close to 3000 hits right now (he has 1300+ hits in under 1000 games played), but he didn't.

 

[harrydangler]

Cy Young's wins is the only truly unbreakable record on that list. You could add 5 to 10 more others like the triples record, single season average, and career ERA.

Henderson's career steals record is another tough one...he's like 30% above 2nd place. You'd have to average 70 steals for 20 years to take him. Hard to fathom at this point.

 

[bucknut11]

I was a huge Nolan Ryan fan, so I'll vote for him.


Clemens has been a strikeout machine for years and is getting up into his mid 40s. He's still over 1000 short! [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]4,604 to 5,714. At the rate he's been striking people out, that'd still take him 6 more seasons (assuming very little decline in performance).
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[Pheasant]

I voted for DiMaggio's hitting streak, but I didn't mean to. Meant to vote for Ripken's games played streak, because baseball players are a bunch of pussies anymore.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

What about Ty Cobb's career batting average of .366?

 

[Zurp]

I think the first four are going to stand a long, long time. In this day of power hitting (which many may point to illegal drugs) the pitchers' categories are pretty much out. Hersheiser's consecutive scoreless innings - something like 59 and a million thirds, or something. No one is getting over 30 anytime soon. And Cy Young pitched when the pitchers were never taken out of the game. So whoever lasted longer tended to win the game. Now, with relief pitchers falling out of the bullpen, the wins get dispersed among more pitchers.

Cal Ripkin's consecutive games - no one's ever breaking that record. The end.

And Joe Dimaggio's record - maybe. But too much luck and skill are involved. Maybe there'll be a time when baseball is falling apart, and the mafia get involved, they'll pay off other teams. But that would be cheating.

I answered for Cy Young's deal. Someone will break the home run record. Bonds or someone else.

And some other record that was on the list - maybe that will be brokened too.

 

[PrincetonBuckeye]

I voted the Cy Young record. With the restrictions on todays pitchers you will NEVER see that record broken....

BTW....Bonds will NEVER be HR champ......does not amtter if he hits 900.....

What about Pete Rose's hit record?

Ichiro is still young, even after his days in Japan, if he stuck around he could seriously challenge it.....

 

[zBuckeye10z]

I don't think you or BKB are in disagreement.
Reread it:

Sorry sandgk, i misread it. But you still get my point.

 

[AKAK]

I think Rose's hit record is attainable, especially if a player comes up when he's 19 and plays to his late 30s or early 40s.

If ARod or Andruw Jones were more contact type hitters instead of power hitters, they'd be prime candidates.

If Ichiro had started his career in the MLB, I think he'd be close to 3000 hits right now (he has 1300+ hits in under 1000 games played), but he didn't.

Damn... I voted for Ripken... somehow skimmed past the 511 wins... oops.

Anyway....

There is a cahnce that Ichiro will have more hits than Rose combined (and.. yeah it won't count) but... I think you're gonna see more guys getting near 4K at least with the new moneyball philosophy... basically... meaning that you haven't seen too many non-power hitters in the power positions like you saw Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs for a while... at any rate... my point is that you're gonna see this emphasis toward OPS is gonna give more guys like that a chance at non demanding defensive positions...

At any rate... dunno if they are gonna pass Rose.... but... seems more likely than some of the others...

Of course.... you'd get walked so much that you'd be putting Cobb's batting average in danger at the same time.

I'd say after the Career homeruns... Dimaggio's is the next most likely simply because the sheer numbers of opportunities that anyone would have to do it... but... still unlikely.


Also gonna have to strongly agree with Henderson's career steals record as almost unbreakable.... is he only 30% ahead of 2? Whatever it is... its a shit ton more.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Don't forget the game is always changing. It may be as different 100 years from now as it is today from 100 years ago. Stolen bases, inside the park HR's and triples could conceivebly rise to prominance again.

Better "nutrition" and overall physical performance breakthroughs make it plausible that sometime in the near future a 20-25 year career could be no big deal. If so a lot of these career marks like Cy Young, Nolan Ryan, Ricky Henderson, HR record etc.. will be at risk. 500 HR's used to be hallowed ground, now its all the time. Point is that accumulation records are the most vulnerable no matter how impossible they may seem at the time. Just ask Gehrig.

The ones that are more likely to stand imo are the career BA of .366, Dimagios hit streak and Vander Meers back to back no hitters. Good luck hitting .367 for your career, in 57 straight games or pitching 3 consecutive no hitters.

 

[Big Papa]

Neither Young's or DiMaggio's will ever be broken, IMO. Young's win record isn't even close to attainable anymore, so I voted for that one.

Absolutely. The first one I always think of is the 56 game hitting streak by Joe D. Cy's record is unbeatable as well. Pitchers just don't pitch as much as they did back then to even come close to that record. I don't think we will ever see anyone hit over .400 again either.