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Well, what's your thoughts on Barbaro?

I've never seen a horse break thru the starting gate early like that before. Is this semi common?

Not in my lifetime of seeing races ever,did I see a horse break through a gate. They are only held by strong magnets.. I know they will flip over or backwards in starting gates like Smarty Jones did whom almost killed himself,but never that! I had an ex racehorse from the track a quarter horse turned into a barrel racer & they said she flipped in the starting gate. You could see muscle damage in her hindquarters from it.
 
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Barbaro standing after surgery

Surgeon: Colt 'practically jogged back to the stall'

Posted: Sunday May 21, 2006 1:28PM; Updated: Sunday May 21, 2006 9:30PM

KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. (AP) -- Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro emerged from seven hours of surgery Sunday to repair life-threatening injuries and "practically jogged back to the stall," said Dr. Dean Richardson, who performed the procedure a day after the colt broke his right rear leg in three places at the Preakness.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/05/21/barbaro.surgery.ap/index.html
 
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Pain from what I understand

Unlike humans, horse's won't rest the ankle for 6 weeks. They want to get up and run around. Doctors can fix the ankle, but its just if the horse will rest and recover. If it doesn't and decides to get up and run around it will hurt itself again. Causing more damage and more pain.

You get the point here. They put the horse down so it doesn't suffer.


I dont think thats quite it Teddy
It has something to do with the horses cardiovascular system
If they cant use the leg and pump the blood through it correctly, they develop diseases and other problems, which cause the need for them to be put down...
 
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I dont think thats quite it Teddy
It has something to do with the horses cardiovascular system
If they cant use the leg and pump the blood through it correctly, they develop diseases and other problems, which cause the need for them to be put down...

Bingo! Horses need to be able to stand on all 4 legs in order to get proper circulation. Nic try though, Teddy.
 
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Well here is an update on Barbaro. If you hit espn on the left side it will take you to the main page! Then you will see about Barbaro standing after 6+ hour surgery. It took 23 screws & a plate to fix him. They woke him up in a pool of water which makes sense & what I thought they would do. They just will have to battle infection now. This guy has a will to live.


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown06/news/story?id=24529
 
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I saw this morning they are now saying 50/50 on survival.

Yes,mainly due to infection in the leg. I know I had to watch for it in my horse too. I'm talking this horse has 23 screws & a plate in his leg,a high risk for Barbaro.I know my horse had around 30 staples in his leg,I can't imagine this colt's leg!
They will be talking to the surgeon on CBS early show here in a few minutes.
When my horse had surgery at Ohio State,I begged Dr.Ruggles to let me watch & he made me promise him they would need not pick me up off the floor from passing out,I told him I'd be fine. It was a very interesting surgery,I love to watch animal surgery out there. His was in a room with no observation windows so I was in the room with them,a few feet from my horse. He had to make a higher cut on Sonnys leg & in his sleep he flinched enough to stir his drapes & they brought out clean drapes,it was an orthopedic room which they keep very streile they tlod me.
Dr.Ruggles was amazed how well I handled my own horses surgery,since it is a little harder to watch your own animal being operated on.It was but at the same time very interesting.
They are saying right now he is acting like a colt the vet says,he is nippy& they said there are a few mares in the ICU ward he is in & seems very interested. They say it is day by day for months on his survival rate on alot of things.
 
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You gotta like this comment: "even showing an interest in mares"


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<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By RICHARD ROSENBLATT, AP Racing Writer 40 minutes ago


KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. - Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro is making progress from surgery on his broken leg, even showing an interest in mares, but the colt still faces a long and perilous road to recovery, his surgeon said Monday.


Dr. Dean Richardson, who performed the intricate five-hour operation, was satisfied with the result, but blunt about the future for a horse who put together an unbeaten record until he broke down in the Preakness Stakes.
Richardson, who operated on Barbaro at the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center for Large Animals on Sunday, said the horse's chances for survival were still 50-50. He said Barbaro was showing positive signs and "acting much more like a 3-year-old colt should act."
Barbaro was trying to bite in his stall and even showing interest in a group of mares who stopped by to visit.
"There's some mares there, and he's extremely interested in the mares," Richardson told ABC's "Good Morning America."
Nevertheless, he emphasized that the horse had a long road ahead, and would never race again.
"Realistically, it's going to be months before we know if he's going to make it," Richardson told CBS' "The Early Show." "We're salvaging him as a breeding animal."
Barbaro's surgery to repair three bones shattered in his right rear leg at the Preakness went about as well as Richardson and trainer Michael Matz hoped. It wasn't long after surgery when Barbaro began to show signs he might make it after all.
After a dip into a large swimming pool before he was awakened — part of New Bolton's renowned recovery system that minimizes injury risk — Barbaro was brought back to his stall, where he should have been calmly rested on all four legs.
Barbaro had other ideas.
"He decided to jump up and down a few times," Richardson said, smiling. "But he didn't hurt anything. That's the only thing that really matters. It had Michael worried."
That's not much to worry about after the agony of the previous 24 hours. Barbaro sustained "life-threatening injuries" Saturday when he broke bones above and below his right rear ankle at the start of the Preakness Stakes.
His surgery began around 1 p.m., but it wasn't until about eight hours later that Richardson and Matz emerged for a news briefing.
"I feel much more relieved after I saw him walk to the stall then when I was loading him in the ambulance to come up here, that's for darn sure," Matz said. "Nobody knew. It was an unknown area going in. I feel much more confident now. At least I feel he has a chance. Last night, I didn't know what was going to go on."
Unbeaten and a serious Triple Crown threat, Barbaro broke down Saturday only a few hundred yards into the 1 3-16th-mile Preakness. The record crowd of 118,402 watched in shock as Barbaro veered sideways, his right leg flaring out grotesquely. Jockey Edgar Prado pulled the powerful colt to a halt, jumped off and awaited medical assistance.
Barbaro sustained a broken cannon bone above the ankle, a broken sesamoid bone behind the ankle and a broken long pastern bone below the ankle. The fetlock joint — the ankle — was dislocated.
Richardson said the pastern bone was shattered in "20-plus pieces."

The bones were put in place to fuse the joint by inserting a plate and 23 screws to repair damage so severe that most horses would not be able to survive it.
Horses are often euthanized after serious leg injuries because circulation problems and deadly disease can arise if they are unable to distribute weight on all fours.
Richardson said he expects Barbaro to remain at the center for several weeks, but "it wouldn't surprise me if he's here much longer than that."
Tucked away on a sprawling, lush 650-acre campus in Chester County, the New Bolton Center is widely considered the top hospital for horses in the mid-Atlantic region. The center is renowned for its specialized care, especially on animals needing complicated surgery on bone injuries.
Roses, other assorted flowers and cards from fans and admirers expressing well wishes were delivered to the center and displayed in the lobby. One sign said "Be Well Barbaro." Two apples and five carrots, some of a horse's favorite snacks, lay next to the flowers.
"I feel at least better that we've made every effort to save his life," Matz said. "At least he has the chance now to have a career as a stallion." Barbaro's injury came a year after Afleet Alex's brush with catastrophe at the Preakness. Turning for home, the horse was bumped by another and nearly knocked to his knees before gathering himself and going on to win.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060522/ap_on_sp_ot/rac_barbaro_s_future_4
 
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BuckeyeTillIDie said:
Why are horses designed so stupid? Huge legs with stick-like ankles (by comparison).

I felt really bad for the horse when it happened, though I fear that it's life is probably going to be over, which is just sad.
think about it like this. the way the horse stands is like you walking on your fingernails with your handsl flat. what makes them so fleet and nimble makes them prone to injury.
 
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They showed on the Early Show on CBS that some fans were actually booing Edgar Prado as if it were his fault Barbaro broke his leg,which in no way was his fault!
That poor man pulled that horse up as quick & fast as possible to get him stopped,it is very hard to pull a horse up omce he is flat out in a run like that. I have been on a horse running like that & it is no picnic,sort of lkie a car with no brakes but could go any direction at any second.
I was shocked to hear them try to blame him.:pissed:
Hope Barbaro makes it! They need to put Vicks up his nose to keep him from sniffing out the mares.I did that when I showed a yearling stallion Quarter Horse in halter,they all do that so stallions don't smell as much.
 
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Interesting article by Pat Forde.

I'm interested in what elliemae has to say about this.


Barbaro's injury should advance cause of track safety

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BALTIMORE -- On the morning after the disaster at Pimlico, thoroughbred racing did what thoroughbred racing does best.
It shrugged and sounded helpless.

"It's human nature after something like this to try to point the finger somewhere, at someone, and say, 'that's the cause, that's the reason.' As sad as it is, accidents like this are part of the game."

-- Joe DeFrancis, chief executive officer of the Maryland Jockey Club


"It's human nature after something like this to try to point the finger somewhere, at someone, and say, 'That's the cause, that's the reason,' " said Joe DeFrancis, chief executive officer of the Maryland Jockey Club. "As sad as it is, accidents like this are part of the game."

The accident he referred to, of course, was heavy favorite Barbaro's horrific breakdown shortly after the start of the 131st Preakness Stakes on Saturday. The colt underwent seven hours of surgery on his broken right hind leg Sunday and was standing in an intensive care unit. Dr. Dean Richardson, who performed the surgery, said Barbaro has a "50-50" chance of survival because of the risk of infection.

DeFrancis is right about one thing: The stress huge and powerful race horses place on their thin lower legs is, in and of itself, a threat to their safety. But here's the problem with shrugging off tragedy and trotting out the "it's part of the game" line: It doesn't do anything to help fix the problem.

And if there is one thing horse racing has proven completely inept at, it's fixing its own problems. This is the ultimate can't-do sport: bereft of a national governing body and generally lacking in leadership, cohesiveness, vision, adaptability or a sound plan for connecting to the masses.

While racing execs are shrugging off Barbaro's breakdown, horrified casual fans are tuning out. Those who follow the sport three Saturdays a year are quite likely to follow it zero Saturdays from now on after watching Barbaro's grisly injury. If it's simply part of the game, hey, the viewing public can simply find another game to watch -- one in which potential death and dismemberment are not common side effects.


<!-- INLINE TABLE (BEGIN) --><TABLE id=inlinetable cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=270 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"><CENTER>Horses hurt in major races</CENTER></TH><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD width=256>*Barbaro, 2006 Preakness
*Charismatic, 1999 Belmont
Union City, 1993 Preakness
Prairie Bayou, 1993 Belmont
Go For Wand, 1990 Breeders' Cup Distaff
Mr. Nickerson, 1990 Breeders' Cup Sprint
Shaker Knit, 1990 Breeders' Cup Sprint
Timely Writer, 1982 Jockey Club Gold Cup
Ruffian, 1975 match race vs. Foolish Pleasure
Black Hills, 1959 Belmont
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- INLINE TABLE (END) -->"I'm afraid you do [lose fans after an accident like Barbaro's]," DeFrancis acknowledged. "It's something I've shaken my head at and search[ed] for a solution to for 20 years. I wish there was a magic pill to give to all those people who felt so bad and make them feel better, but there isn't."


DeFrancis drew an analogy to auto racing, saying that the potential for tragedy is there as well. But here's where that analogy falls short: When Dale Earnhardt was killed at Daytona in 2001, NASCAR didn't just shrug. It reacted, changed its safety regulations -- and became a safer sport. Lethal crashes are down since then.
That's the difference between a smart, assertive sport and an inert sport. Doing nothing only guarantees that the same injuries will keep happening.
The biggest problem horse racing has is a chronic inability to keep its star performers around long enough for the public to latch on to them. And the biggest reason is leg injuries. They happen far too often.

Before Barbaro became the star of his generation, the hot name was Stevie Wonderboy, winner of the Breeders' Cup Juvenile as a 2-year-old and the Derby favorite entering the new year. He was injured while training in February, terminating his Triple Crown run.

That happens every single year, without fail. At least one -- and usually several -- of the top 3-year-olds fall by the wayside on the trail to the Derby because of injury.

For a diminished sport that needs every fan it can get, shrugging at all the broken bones and bowed tendons is not an ideal response.

There is something racing can do to address the problem: It can seriously and aggressively study widespread installation of Polytrack, the synthetic racing surface that gained popularity in Europe, is establishing a beachhead in North America -- and has a reputation for being safer than dirt. Polytrack is formed from polypropeylene fibers, recycled rubber and silica sand covered in a wax coating.



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Jockey Edgar Prado attends to Barbaro after horse was injured during Saturday's Preakness.





Polytrack is in place at Turfway Park in Florence, Ky., and on the training track at Keeneland Race Course in Lexington, Ky. This summer it will be installed as the primary racing surface at Keeneland and at Woodbine in Toronto. In February, the California Horse Racing Board voted unanimously to mandate that all the state's thoroughbred tracks install Polytrack by the end of 2007. According to Blood-horse, an industry magazine, there have been more than 240 fatalities of California horses at tracks between 2003 and 2005.

The data is far from complete on Polytrack, but early indications are that breakdowns are dramatically reduced on that surface. According to Turfway, there were three catastrophic breakdowns during the first meet on Polytrack. The year before Polytrack was installed there were 24.

"When the Keeneland boys came and talked to me about that [installing Polytrack], I was a little concerned," said Nick Zito, one of the nation's leading trainers and a winner of multiple Triple Crown races. "I was a little reluctant ... But when they talked to me about safety, they stopped me right in my tracks. That was the end of the discussion.

"This sport needs to catch a break. Look, you don't want to see every track go to Polytrack -- I can't see the Kentucky Derby run on Polytrack, can you? -- but you want to keep the animals safe."

DeFrancis pointed out that Magna Entertainment Corp., which owns several tracks in North America, including Pimlico, has spent "tens of millions of dollars" on its racing surfaces. He said the right things about Polytrack, but didn't sound like a believer.

"We certainly value any technological innovation that can make the sport safer," he said. "I think the jury is still out on whether Polytrack does that."
There are other reservations about Polytrack. Will it provide a uniformly fair and consistent racing surface? Will its slightly bouncy nature lead to a different kind of injury?

But the biggest fear in some corners is that it will rewrite the record books and render several landmark times meaningless. Kentuckians, for instance, would have a collective conniption fit if Secretariat's 1-minute, 59 2/5-second Kentucky Derby record were ever broken by some horse racing on a souped-up, rubberized surface.

But if anything, the Turfway races have yielded slower times, not faster, than those on dirt. So the hallowed marks could remain -- and if they need to add a new section to the record books for the Polytrack Era, is that such a fundamental tragedy?
It certainly would be far less tragic than what happened to Barbaro on Saturday in the Preakness.
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Well okay we can use Polytracks etc.,but that does not change the fact that these horses are basically babies still running full tilt on growing bones! These bones are still soft & very fragile up till the age of 4~5 years. These horses are backed in their long yearling year,1 1/2 years old to prepare for their career. My horse finally finished growing at the age of 5 a little late. But his last spurt of growth was in the front end,he finally has withers.
They tried to show my quarter horse in furturity western pleasure on the Quarter Horse Circuit,but he in no way was mentally & physically not ready & me thinks he blew a fuse on them & in a trainers barn they don't earn their money away they go! So I took this as an opportunity,got a full vet check,flex legs for lamenesses etc.& bought him for $2500, a few years later turned down $13,000.
Yeah sounds like a good turn around but I had a friend do that turned a horse for a profit,not that big & she got nipped in the butt. Spent more money as well & took over a year to sell it & took a trade. She said she wished she'd never had sold her horse.
So Sonny will stay with me till he dies,plus if youo flip his switch he can be not very cool thanks to the trainer,things you have to work around.
He shows halter,hunter under saddle, & western pleasure & will follow you around like a puppy dog in the field or arena. He is an ultra neat little horse,that's probably why I can't sell him,I've had other offers too. I've sold plenty but he is special. He has done so well he deserves his reward to be "outstanding in his field"!! He also survived a colon displacement,he almost died from that one! Good old Ohio State saved him in 9 days!
I think racing should be fine at a later age,these horses have all their life to get the punani they need,they can breed up to 20+ years. Probably run better at a more mature level too. That is my take on it.
 
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It's amazing how big this story about a worthless horse is in the news. Who cares? I find it funny that nobody cares about the treatment of these horses before they race during training But, one gets injured during a big race...STOP THE PRESSES!

Some idiot in USATODAY who is on the training staff compared the suddennesss of the injury to Katrina. Uh, yeah, a tragedy invovling 1000 people dying is similar to a stupid horse getting injured. :roll1:

Here's hoping he dies a quick and painless death. He'll be better for it.
 
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