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Well, what's your thoughts on Barbaro?

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OSUsushichic;733420; said:
The horse was a world-class athlete, and of course there was more important news yesterday. Heck, I received a CNN Breaking News alert when Brittany Spears filed for divorce. Do I really think that's newsworthy? Hell no. Was Cory Lidle crashing his plane worth the headlines? Maybe not, but he was an athlete and therefore got the coverage.
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While I agree with your take on Brit, Cory Lidle was a human being. I just can not compare the death of a human being with that of an animal.
 
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Romanowski;733431; said:
I heard that it's illegal to artificially inseminate a mare for the purpose of breeding studs if you want to race them. For whatever reason, I asked some dude at the race about that, and he told me if the horse can't pound it out for himself, then the horse is useless. I guess that's why they were saying that Barbaro was worth $25 mil. His genes were that good, but since he can't hump, they're essentially worthless, costing the owner millions. The guy who told me this was also emotionally distraut, and it was a little awkward for me. I moved away from him very quickly.
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The Jockey's Club will not sanction/register a horse that isn't conceived by natural means.
 
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OSUsushichic;733420; said:
The horse was a world-class athlete, and of course there was more important news yesterday. Heck, I received a CNN Breaking News alert when Brittany Spears filed for divorce. Do I really think that's newsworthy? Hell no. Was Cory Lidle crashing his plane worth the headlines? Maybe not, but he was an athlete and therefore got the coverage.
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See, this is where our viewpoint differs drastically.

To me, it's a horse, they race, they die, it happens. They are expensive, and I feel more for the owner than I do the animal. This however should not be on the front page, over 200 horses die a year racing in California alone, so when people race them they know what the risks are.

If you want to "feel" something for this animal then look around at all the people who are trying to make the sport safer for the horses instead of saying "wow, that was a brave horse."

The horse had a strong will to live, people shouldn't have done so many surgeries to it and it should have been put down when this all started.
 
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OCBucksFan;733441; said:
See, this is where our viewpoint differs drastically.

To me, it's a horse, they race, they die, it happens. They are expensive, and I feel more for the owner than I do the animal. This however should not be on the front page, over 200 horses die a year racing in California alone, so when people race them they know what the risks are.

If you want to "feel" something for this animal then look around at all the people who are trying to make the sport safer for the horses instead of saying "wow, that was a brave horse."

The horse had a strong will to live, people shouldn't have done so many surgeries to it and it should have been put down when this all started.
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I think more people followed this horse's injury because they saw it happen on TV, and it was horrible to watch. They then followed his rehab and rooted for him to get better for months. It's just sad to hear he didn't pull through, human or not.
 
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Thump;733436; said:
The Jockey's Club will not sanction/register a horse that isn't conceived by natural means.
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Yes they do! Alot of horses are artificially bred! They had a story on HBO on Real Sports on "Storm Cat" a retired Thoroughbred race horse & they collect from him & breed mares that way. He is a direct descendant of Secretariat. Oh did I mention he gets $500,000 a pop once the mare is in foal safely? He breds 50~60 mares a year I believe.
They artificially inseminate horses more than you know,it saves their sanity & not to mention the mare kicking the stallion & him getting nasty with the mare.
Alot of quarter horses are done that way as well since they are being shown throughout the whole year,including breeding season.
Also there is alot of embryo transfers on mares being done,such as a top notch show mare gets bred & once successfully in foal they retrieve the embryo by flushing it out carefully collect it & put it into a surrogate mare not being shown. I've seen it done & it is very neat to know you can do that. I have friends that do that all of the time with a few of their horses.
 
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elliemae;734013; said:
Yes they do! Alot of horses are artificially bred! They had a story on HBO on Real Sports on "Storm Cat" a retired Thoroughbred race horse & they collect from him & breed mares that way. He is a direct descendant of Secretariat. Oh did I mention he gets $500,000 a pop once the mare is in foal safely? He breds 50~60 mares a year I believe.
They artificially inseminate horses more than you know,it saves their sanity & not to mention the mare kicking the stallion & him getting nasty with the mare.
Alot of quarter horses are done that way as well since they are being shown throughout the whole year,including breeding season.
Also there is alot of embryo transfers on mares being done,such as a top notch show mare gets bred & once successfully in foal they retrieve the embryo by flushing it out carefully collect it & put it into a surrogate mare not being shown. I've seen it done & it is very neat to know you can do that. I have friends that do that all of the time with a few of their horses.
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They harvest embryos out of horses so they can continue to show them?

Jesus crimony that sounds sick and twisted. If I were a horse, I'd break my own leg.
 
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Thump;733436; said:
The Jockey's Club will not sanction/register a horse that isn't conceived by natural means.
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Thanks for the info. I'd imagine they trace they back at least 2 or 3 generations also - in order to prevent the 'natural' offspring of an artifically inseminated offspring from competing.
 
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Well these people are into making money & that they do,and are smart about it.
So the mare that was bred & now has the surrogate mare carrying her baby goes onto win some major race or say a quarter horse show such as World Champion Hunter Under Saddle Horse & then her foal is born in the spring =major $$$$$$$!
I have been at shows where people drop $50~60,000 & more for a top notch western pleasure or hunt seat horse such as Quarter Hosre Congress in Columbus in October.
 
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elliemae;734648; said:
Well these people are into making money & that they do,and are smart about it.
So the mare that was bred & now has the surrogate mare carrying her baby goes onto win some major race or say a quarter horse show such as World Champion Hunter Under Saddle Horse & then her foal is born in the spring =major $$$$$$$!
I have been at shows where people drop $50~60,000 & more for a top notch western pleasure or hunt seat horse such as Quarter Hosre Congress in Columbus in October.
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ellie,

They interviewed Janine Edwards the other morning who said that in thoroughbred racing that any artificially inseminated mare's foal cannot be sanctioned by the thoroughbred Jockey's Club to race.
 
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I am with Thump on this one. I saw that Real Sports episode you are referring to, and yes, Storm Cat does breed that much, but it's all done the natural way. I remember a particular part of the story where they had another horse (basically a male fluffer) whose job was to come into the stable and get the female all wound up and to make sure she wasn't going to be a kicker before they brought Storm Cat into the stable to finish the job. I don't recall them mentioning anything about artificial means but I could be wrong.
 
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