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Weis's Play Calling in the ND BYU game

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Watson, Crick & A Twist
Warning - this may not be happy, happy reading

Now, lets recognise that BYU is an inferior opponent for ND.

Lets recognize that ND was in South Bend and hence BYU was (in the 2nd half at least) able to exercise its will in front of a friendly crowd.

That said, I look at what Weiss did today with play calling against an oddball BYU defensive front and frankly it gives me shivers. He is doing this with largely the same crew from whom Willingham could not will anything like proof of life in most games last year. Weiss instead, is getting play after play called at the right time, against a defense he clearly sees through like you or I might look through glass.

And, he is doing all this without the level of talent he is bringing in with his first full recruiting class.

Early on after Weiss was on campus - well before this season began - I was expecting him to turn their program around. I figured no-one could do as badly as Willingham had with Davies' recruits. I figured it might take him a year or two to get the Irish back into something like full stride. I did not, I must admit, expect him to do what he has done in such a convincing fashion. Right now Brady Quinn looks like a world beater under center, in the prior couple of years he's looked like he is in for the world's worst beating.

I know that the players are all for the most part another year more experienced at ND, another year stronger - but this is frankly a remarkable thing that Weiss is doing.

He is showing how far distant his median level of play-calling truly is from what the likes of a Willingham, or a Bob Davie. Imagine how strong of a team he will be able to field next year. Imagine, and be rightfuly concerned.
 
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Can you imagine what he would be doing on offense with our level of talent?
That ought to really give you shivers

Well actually, that is exactly my point - rephrased very well.

The talent level at ND isn't going to go down next year. Imagine how a few more 4.4 or faster 6-2+ receivers will do to enable the schemes Weiss ran today.

He had Quinn throw right into the weakness of that BYU D

Again,
and again
and again

and they could not stop it.

And I agree with you - if he had the speed and talent we possess on offense BN would be griping about any game where we put up less than 40 points on an opponent.

Oh, wait a minute - I somehow came full circle and returned to real life.

How the hell did that happen?
 
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Brady Quinn

Quinn's level of improvement this year is phenominal. He is from my hometown of Dublin and a close family friend. I know we were all bitter when he decided to go to ND over Ohio State, but for his sake it was the right choice. At OSU, he would be underutilized and may not even start.

It is wild to think what an ex-NFL offensive cooridinator can do for a qb and a program. Honestly, ND could play and beat anyone in the country. I would love to see that type of offensive creativity in Columubs. I think the players in ND just believe in Weiss and I do not see that sort of confidence when our offense steps on the field.
 
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Quinn's level of improvement this year is phenominal. He is from my hometown of Dublin and a close family friend. I know we were all bitter when he decided to go to ND over Ohio State, but for his sake it was the right choice. At OSU, he would be underutilized and may not even start.

It is wild to think what an ex-NFL offensive cooridinator can do for a qb and a program. Honestly, ND could play and beat anyone in the country. I would love to see that type of offensive creativity in Columubs. I think the players in ND just believe in Weiss and I do not see that sort of confidence when our offense steps on the field.

From all I understand by talking with teachers at his school he never, ever, had any real wish other than to go and play for the Irish - though that still remains our loss. As they tell it to me he wanted the early playing time the Irish might be able to afford him. Though, I defer to your close contact with his family, is what I have been told simply wrong - and are you telling me Quinn was a closet Buckeye? (By the way, this is what is known as "asking the Irish Question" :biggrin:).
As for whether or not he would be used or under-utilized here - well that is debatable, probably highly debatable. After all, till this year he was not the second coming on field turf at ND exactly was he? So how well used was he in the last 2 years at ND? Started too early two years ago - probably. Had too much of the burden placed on his shoulders all last year in a truly unimaginative offensive scheme last year - beyond a shadow of a doubt.

It is only with Weiss' arrival that Quinn's capabilities are being maximized. But - to return to the top of your point, it was not Weiss that recruited him now, was it?
 
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ND is having a nice year - but I think people are still in love with the nostaglia of the Domers more than anything.

Remember - these guys lost to MSU - at home!

Yes, they had a great game against USC, and should have won - but one game doesn't make for a coaching legacy - just ask Willingham after he beat scUM and FSU.

As for Weiss vs. Willingham vs. Davie...

I'll grant that Weiss' offensive sophistican appears to be at a higher level than Willingham; but he also has the benefit of Brady Quinn coming into his prime as a collegiate QB instead of the raw freshman that Willingham had to work with.

It's been said before, but Willingham had the same kind of romantic first season with Bob Davies recruits - but he couldn't capitalize during the recruiting season.

Weiss is currently the flavor of the month, but he still needs to prove himself over the long term.

If he is hamstrung by ND's tight recruting policies, then he may be viewed as Bob Davie was - a fine coordinator with no previous head coaching experience who tried to learn on the job on the so-called nations biggest stage.
 
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You just used Weiss in the same sentence as "learning on the job." Hey - I'm just joshing you, but, I do think Weiss is bringing much, much more to the table than Willing-but-unable-ham or Bob (Clueless) Davie ever did.
Yep - Weiss is the flavor of the month - but I think he has a lasting after-taste.
 
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You just used Weiss in the same sentence as "learning on the job." Hey - I'm just joshing you, but, I do think Weiss is bringing much, much more to the table than Willing-but-unable-ham or Bob (Clueless) Davie ever did.
Yep - Weiss is the flavor of the month - but I think he has a lasting after-taste.

I don't want understand Weiss' accomplishments so far this year - they are good, but I don't want to overstate them either.

How will he do during recruting season? How will he handle discipline problems w/ kids, not adult millionaires? Etc.

There are a lot of fine coordinators who never make it as a HC.

Right now, Weiss reminds me of Joe Tiller - i.e., new offense that everyone is having a hard time adjusting to in the first season.

So I guess the short version of my two long posts is this: after teams adjust to Weiss style, then he will prove if he's a keeper.
 
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Quinn's level of improvement this year is phenominal. He is from my hometown of Dublin and a close family friend. I know we were all bitter when he decided to go to ND over Ohio State, but for his sake it was the right choice. At OSU, he would be underutilized and may not even start.

Brady's numbers have been impressive this year, but I still am not sold on him as a QB.
Maybe it was just watching him play so badly the last couple of years.
If he finishes this year as strong as he has started, then I just might come around...
 
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For those questioning ND's loss to a 4-3 MSU team: they were not 4-3 at the time and playing with such low confidence. Additionally, and more importantly, our world beater 1998 team lost to a worse MSU team, also at home. I tend to think MSU's purpose in college football is to screw better teams once or twice a season.
 
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