bassbuckeye07
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I agree, he has come along way though and I think as a future pro he has more upside then the others. He carries that team IMO.
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I agree, he has come along way though and I think as a future pro he has more upside then the others. He carries that team IMO.
kalim1998
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1. The USC defense is statistically the same or better than last year's defense, if you normalize it for the season averages of their opponents (the average offensive numbers of some of their regular opponents have increased significantly this year)
2. The USC defense is also tops in the nation in turnover margin, and Texas is prone to fumbles. You don't do that witha bad defense.
3. The USC defense has marginalized some very very good QBs, some of whom were rated #1 (or close to the top) BEFORE they met USC - includes Keller, Clemens, Quinn, and Olson of UCLA (who was last rated #1 before Vince Young snagged it after USC stifled Olson during their UCLA game). You don't do that with a bad defense.
Finally, I'd be leery of making much ado about Texas' scoring as they have gone against really weak Big 12 teams most of the time.
I think given 1 month preparation Caroll will have Young so confused he'll be throwing interceptions to the USC defense all night, just as USC beat OU earlier this year with turnovers.
USC 52
Texas 27
PS. Fresno State was playing the game of their history - they were a very good, very emotional team that day, and Pinegar before being neutralized by the USC defense using interceptions, was very accurate. He actually was similar to the Cal QB rogers last year, when cal almost beat USC because of Roger's precision passing that game.
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That is a contradiction in terms if I've ever seen one. If all you mean is that it's the same scheme then fine, but then using this to support a prediction for this year's team is patently absurd.
This is college football. Last year's results are of no relevance. Just ask Purdue's defense (same scheme as last year by the way).
And you're suggesting that USC's performance of TWO years ago has relevance to this discussion?! Spare me.
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bassbuckeye07
Hall of Fame
You are exactly correct DBB... USC's D is markedly worse than last years. This Texas team is better then that OU team. It took me a minute to figure out if you Kalim were talking about Oregon, using last season as a reference is laughable.
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GeneralBuckeye
Woody's Homeboy
USC fans NOT happy?
well, they're just mad because their guy didn't win. i don't think they're bashing vy as much as most of you think, if the same thing happend to us (bendirik award :2004: ) we'd be mad too.
well, they're just mad because their guy didn't win. i don't think they're bashing vy as much as most of you think, if the same thing happend to us (bendirik award :2004: ) we'd be mad too.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
how the hell does someone in their right mind question the accuracy and throwing motion of the #1 rated passer in the nation? look it up. VY has a higher passer rating than Matt Leinart, Drew Olson, Brady Quinn and everyone else AND he rushed for 800+ yards...
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Buckeye513
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Ooo, passer rating.
Last time I checked, completion percentage measured the accuracy of a quarterback.
1. Phil Horvath - 70.6%
2. Rudy Carpenter - 68.9%
3. Brian Brohm - 68.8%
4. Colt Brennan - 68
5. Cody Hodges - 67.7%
9. Drew Olson - 65.5%
10. Matt Leinart - 65%
11. Brady Quinn - 64.9%
16. Vince Young - 63.9%
Oh, and I could care less about how many rushing yards he has. It's irrelevent.
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I should have stopped reading when you compared this year's USC defense to last year's. That defense was brutal. This defense has missed tackles left and right against third-tier talent (Fresno St).
USC's D has come a long way, and USC's O is impressive. but your post was pretty ludicrous.
your inconsistency is killing me. Is the big 12 overrated or not? If it is, than this point is moot. Clearly you missed 04 OU vs OkSt & aTm when they gave up 35 points in successive games. They were overrated in 03 and again in 04.Yeah, that top 10 defense of OU that they shredded earlier this year must have been a dream
they gave up 2 TDs to a frosh, and 100+ to another OSU wr in The Game right before it. So don't pretend like it was impossible to pass against Michigan. OSU's mediocre 03 offense put up 330 yards, USC put up 340. Whoopdeedoo.
USC's D has come a long way, and USC's O is impressive. but your post was pretty ludicrous.
the usc fans they were referencing were saying he did not have a strong arm.
their first two scores against us made his rushing yards pretty relevant. If he can't pick up those rushing yards, we would have teed off on him with blitzes like every other opposing QB this year.
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Buckeye513
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Regarding his passing ability, no, it's not relevent.jwinslow said:
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Ooo, passer rating.
Last time I checked, completion percentage measured the accuracy of a quarterback.
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Oh, and I could care less about how many rushing yards he has. It's irrelevent.
Uh, any nimrod can complete short passes and screens...it's the production of those passes what matter, thus the rating system. Hell, Justin Zwick was at one time this season the #1 or #2 passer in the country based on percentage, and you can see what that proves.
If you really think that Vince Young's running ability is irrelevant to his overall effectiveness as a quarterback, you're a moron.
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Buckeye513
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Please show me where I ever questioned his "overall effectiveness". I know he can win games, I know legs and his strength help him get away from defenders, etc. etc., but all of that has nothing to with how accurate of a passer he is. Which is what I'm questioning, his accuracy. How many times do I have to say that?
His 63.9% completion percentage is not that impressive to me, and because of that I also think that he gets too much credit as a passer. Period.
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Passing effieciency is the best method of evaluating a QB's ability to throw the ball effectively, and does NOT include VY's ability to run for yardage.
Your total disregard for the fact that he's number one in this category, which means he's been throwing the ball well over the course of the entire season, causes many of us reading your arguments to make mental notes containing things like "513 has been smoking too much of what's in his avatar". Period.
But we're all entitled to our opinions.
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The last QB to face USC with the #1 passer efficiency rating didn't leave that way
True. USC shut Olson down without even getting him to throw any picks against the #1 defense in forcing turnovers.
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