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USC 28, UCLA 7 (final)

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Sportsbuck28;1607862; said:
Pete Carroll is a [censored]ing douchebag.

I'll give you the situation: Less than a minute to go, USC is up 21-7 on UCLA, and UCLA just turned it over on downs. So, USC runs it on first down and gets stuffed for a loss, and UCLA calls a timeout to stop the clock. So, the next play, Pete Carroll calls a play-action pass and Barkley hits a wideopen receiver for a TD. Leads to a 15 yard personal foul on UCLA and almost ignites a brawl.

Talk about running up the score... so unnecessary.
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Great summary -- except the part where THIS ISN'T WHAT HAPPENED. Sounds like sportsbuck was only half-watching the game... not that I blame him.

What actually happened:

- Trojans take a knee. This is not "being stuffed for a loss," and it also changes the tone immensely.

- Neuheisel calls a timeout, knowing they're down 14 and have no realistic chance to win the game with less than a minute left. This is a "we're going to fight until the bitter end" kind of time out, even when USC is kneeling to bring the game to its inevitable conclusion.

- After the UCLA timeout, Carroll and Bates call a long pass that Barkley absolutely nails, firing up both sides in various ways.


This is a bitter rivalry, and there's a lot of pride involved. Be honest -- if you replace Ohio State with USC and Michigan with UCLA in this scenario (and hey, the primary colors here are similar!) -- you guys would be whooping and hollering.
 
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ttk;1607880; said:
Great summary -- except the part where THIS ISN'T WHAT HAPPENED. Sounds like sportsbuck was only half-watching the game... not that I blame him.

What actually happened:

- Trojans take a knee. This is not "being stuffed for a loss," and it also changes the tone immensely.

- Neuheisel calls a timeout, knowing they're down 14 and have no realistic chance to win the game with less than a minute left. This is a "we're going to fight until the bitter end" kind of time out, even when USC is kneeling to bring the game to its inevitable conclusion.

- After the UCLA timeout, Carroll and Bates call a long pass that Barkley absolutely nails, firing up both sides in various ways.


This is a bitter rivalry, and there's a lot of pride involved. Be honest -- if you replace Ohio State with USC and Michigan with UCLA in this scenario (and hey, the primary colors here are similar!) -- you guys would be whooping and hollering.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. Taking a knee and "being stuffed for a loss" are two very different things.
 
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ttk;1607886; said:
Well... I don't know about that... I think Notre Dame is a bigger rival for us.
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I thought of it in "most hated" terms. Historically, ND is the big national match for you, I admit. I remember Charles White and the AD Davis game when he ran all of those kickoffs back after ND took the 24-0 lead. :banger:

But I obviously defer to you as to who is in what pecking order of dislike. But when y'all do the "U-C-L-A sucks" thing when Tusk is playing, it sort of says you dislike them a bunch...
 
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ttk;1607880; said:
This is a bitter rivalry, and there's a lot of pride involved. Be honest -- if you replace Ohio State with USC and Michigan with UCLA in this scenario (and hey, the primary colors here are similar!) -- you guys would be whooping and hollering.
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The only reason that Notre Dame may have supplanted UCLA as a rival for USC is because USC have dominated for so long now. In the 1970s, this game was surpassed only by The Game as a rivalry.

That said, if this were The Game and RichRod called a timeout like that, I would have done this very differently.

I would have gone for the TD and then for the two-point conversion.

Neuheisel's attempt at passive aggression by calling the timeout was the silly thing to have done and he got what he deserved.
 
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Well, technically, UCLA would have had to have supplanted the USC-Notre Dame rivalry, considering USC and Notre Dame started playing each other in 1926, whereas the USC-UCLA games didn't begin until 1929.

Also, I think the distinction is in "hate" and "rivalry." The USC-Notre Dame games are considered the "greatest intersectional rivalry in college football" or whatever. From wikipedia:

d USC are among the most elite programs in college football, with each school having won 11 national championships [1] and 7 Heisman Trophies.[2] This football rivalry, which began in 1926, is considered one of the most important rivalries in college football[3], and is often called the greatest intersectional rivalry in college football[4][5][6][7][8] Quite often, the winner of this series has gone on to win or play for the college football national title. Both schools combined have produced the most national titles (22) [1], Heisman trophy winners (14) [2], All-Americans, College Football Hall of Famers and future NFL Hall of Famers (21)[9] than any other collegiate series. Also of note is that ND and USC games count for five of the ten most-watched college football games in television history.
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The Trojans-Irish matchups are about two elite football programs with a lot of history. It's massive.


UCLA, however, is obviously an interesting case because they're in the same city as us, and Trojans and Bruins see each other all the time, causing a lot of animosity. We also play against the Bruins in every sport, and we have the whole "private vs. public" school issue, etc. As a school, we certainly hate the Bruins more, and we're rivals with them on everything.

But when it comes to football, UCLA has to come second to the significance and history of the Notre Dame games.
 
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I have no problem with USC doing what they did.

What I have a huge problem with is the whining, bitching and moaning they've done about what Stanford did. If you do it, expect it to be done to you when the opportunity comes. USC runs the score up plenty. It's their MO.
 
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ttk;1607880; said:
Great summary -- except the part where THIS ISN'T WHAT HAPPENED. Sounds like sportsbuck was only half-watching the game... not that I blame him.

What actually happened:

- Trojans take a knee. This is not "being stuffed for a loss," and it also changes the tone immensely.

- Neuheisel calls a timeout, knowing they're down 14 and have no realistic chance to win the game with less than a minute left. This is a "we're going to fight until the bitter end" kind of time out, even when USC is kneeling to bring the game to its inevitable conclusion.

- After the UCLA timeout, Carroll and Bates call a long pass that Barkley absolutely nails, firing up both sides in various ways.


This is a bitter rivalry, and there's a lot of pride involved. Be honest -- if you replace Ohio State with USC and Michigan with UCLA in this scenario (and hey, the primary colors here are similar!) -- you guys would be whooping and hollering.
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Yeah I did get it wrong, thats what I get for barely paying attention.

I would have had no problem with this if Petey hadn't of bitched at Harbough about running up the score as well.
 
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVpyI6eWvwQ"]YouTube - 2009 Close Fight Between Rivalry USC and UCLA Football Game[/ame]

After watching the video, I have to concur that Pete Carroll is a complete douche. Its one thing to call a play-action play to run up the score on your rival (which is, of course, undeniable). Its another to act like the score just wonyou the Super Bowl; point across the field at the opposing counsel; and then pretend as if you care that the players are about to fight about it.

Total hypocrisy. I hope Ohio State fans continue to remember how lucky we are to have a class act in Tressel.
 
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I try to teach my sons the concept of what it means to be classy. What PC did is not an example of acting classy.

If one complains that RN called a timeout then a classy response is to still take a knee. Why stoop to RN's "bush league" level? An individual with class would not allow themselves to be dragged down into what PC's response was.

IMO, to get across the point that calling a timeout in that situation was "bush" and to get across the concept of what class truly is, it would have been more awesome for the receiver of that pass to stop short of the endzone, say at the 1 yard line and then on the next play from scrimmage take a knee. That, IMO, would have shown RN that his timeout call was bush and it would have shown class on PC's part.

But over the years watching PC run up the score whenever he could has indicated to me that he was a little light in the "class" area. Whining about it when the tables were turned on him (thank you Stanford) and then doing what he did yesterday indicates that he is a hypocrite as well. A hypocrite without class....no wonder the media loves PC!
 
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