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Urban F. Meyer (Former OSU, CFB and NFL coach)

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Jaxbuck said:
It was the idiot on tv with Cris Carter. He had his info wrong or just can't count.

Urban Meyer team overall record at OSU
2012: 12-0
2013: 12-2 losses were B1G CG and Bowl Game
2014: 14-1 loss was OOC
2015: 12-1 loss was first regular season B1G conference loss in 4 years
2016: 11-2 losses were at PSU and CFP game
2017: 12-2 losses were OOC and Iowa
2018: 11-1 (so far) Loss was Purdue

B1G regular season record
2012: 8-0
2013: 8-0
2014: 8-0
2015: 7-1
2016: 8-1
2017: 8-1
2018: 8-1

So for those actually counting at home, Meyer has 4 regular season B1G losses in 7 years + 1 Loss to a B1G team in the B1G CCG = 5 total B1G losses.

Regular Season B1G record: 55-4 (93.2%)
B1G CCG record: 2-1
Vs B1G teams overall: 57-5 (92%)

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Damn we are spoiled. The only losses you shake your head are Iowa and Purdue and those are exaggerated because they both happened in the last two years. The way we lost in the MSU and Clemson games wasn't good but at least those were some good teams.
 
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OhioState001 said:
Damn we are spoiled. The only losses you shake your head are Iowa and Purdue and those are exaggerated because they both happened in the last two years. The way we lost in the MSU and Clemson games wasn't good but at least those were some good teams.
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Would be curious to see this under JT too — just to compound the last 18 seasons.

I know this is Urban’s thread but I want to be a douche and remind myself of the dominance
 
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Systems_id said:
Tress had nearly the same amount of B1G losses his first SEASON as Urban has his entire tenure here. That's nuts.
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I would contend that Tress inherited a much worse team and had to contend in a significantly stronger Big Ten than Urban did, at least initially:

- stronger Michigan under Lloyd until Tressel forced him to retire, frequently ranked top 10

- stronger Iowa under a Ferentz who cared, intermittently in top 10

- stronger Wisconsin under Alvarez/Bielema, intermittently in top 10

- stronger Penn State pre-sanctions and under Paterno, intermittently in top 10

- stronger Purdue under spread-innovator Tiller, frequently ranked (Tiller was >0.500 at Purdue which speaks to his coaching)



In recent years, Penn State has gotten back to being highly ranked and Michigan is resurging.
Michigan State is stronger now than they were under John L Smith, but Dantonio took over halfway through Tressel's tenure.
Wisconsin, Iowa have been mediocre to terrible. Wisconsin is ranked by virtue of playing in a weak West division but gets blown out by the first team with a pulse.
Purdue has been generally terrible. The rest of the conference remains about the same.


Not trying to argue, just don't think comparing Tressel and Urban's records at OSU is apples to apples.
 
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redguard117 said:
I would contend that Tress inherited a much worse team and had to contend in a significantly stronger Big Ten than Urban did, at least initially:

- stronger Michigan under Lloyd until Tressel forced him to retire, frequently ranked top 10

- stronger Iowa under a Ferentz who cared, intermittently in top 10

- stronger Wisconsin under Alvarez/Bielema, intermittently in top 10

- stronger Penn State pre-sanctions and under Paterno, intermittently in top 10

- stronger Purdue under spread-innovator Tiller, frequently ranked (Tiller was >0.500 at Purdue which speaks to his coaching)



In recent years, Penn State has gotten back to being highly ranked and Michigan is resurging.
Michigan State is stronger now than they were under John L Smith, but Dantonio took over halfway through Tressel's tenure.
Wisconsin, Iowa have been mediocre to terrible. Wisconsin is ranked by virtue of playing in a weak West division but gets blown out by the first team with a pulse.
Purdue has been generally terrible. The rest of the conference remains about the same.


Not trying to argue, just don't think comparing Tressel and Urban's records at OSU is apples to apples.
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No way Urban inherited the better team. That 2001 squad was loaded with NFL talent Tress inherited from Cooper. And nah, the first season Tress took over the B1G was garbage. Ohio State only beat 2 teams with winning records that year and only played three teams with winning records. 2012 Buckeyes beat a B1G Champ Wisconsin team at Camp Randall, housed a 10 win Nebraska team, beat a decent 8-4 Penn State at Beaver Stadium, and beat an okay 8-5 Michigan. The B1G was pretty bad the first couple of years of Urban's tenure but I'd put 2016 and 2017 up against anything Tressel had to contend with.
 
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Systems_id said:
No way Urban inherited the better team. That 2001 squad was loaded with NFL talent Tress inherited from Cooper. And nah, the first season Tress took over the B1G was garbage. Ohio State only beat 2 teams with winning records that year and only played three teams with winning records. 2012 Buckeyes beat a B1G Champ Wisconsin team at Camp Randall, housed a 10 win Nebraska team, beat a decent 8-4 Penn State at Beaver Stadium, and beat an okay 8-5 Michigan. The B1G was pretty bad the first couple of years of Urban's tenure but I'd put 2016 and 2017 up against anything Tressel had to contend with.
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In 2012, Urban inherited the following upperclassmen from Tressel/Fickell:

- QB: Braxton Miller, Cardale Jones (PG -> FR, committed before Urban was hired), Kenny Guiton
- OL: Norwell, Mewhort, Linsley
- RB: Carlos Hyde, Jordan Hall, Bri'onte Dunn, Zach Boren
- WR: Devin Smith, Michael Thomas (PG -> FR, committed before Urban was hired), Corey Brown, Evan Spencer
- TE: Stoneburner, Vannett, Heuerman
- DL: Johnathan Hankins, John Simon, Michael Bennett, Adolphus Washington (FR but committed before Urban was hired)
- LB: Shazier, Curtis Grant
- DB: Roby, Doran Grant, Tyvis Powell


That's a really really solid group with multiple NFL draftees, starters (Mewhort, Simon, Hankins, Washington, Roby), and all-stars (Norwell, Michael Thomas, Shazier). At most you can argue it's a wash, but Urban inherited a phenomenal team and a terrible conference (as evidenced by the fact he went 12-0 with Everett Withers as his DC).



In 2001, Tressel played 5 ranked teams total (Regular season: #14 UCLA, #14 NU, #12 Illinois, #11 Michigan. Bowl: #14 SCar) with a 2-3 record.
In 2012, Urban played 3 ranked teams (Regular season: #20 MSU, #25 Nebraska, #24 Michigan. No Bowl.) with a 3-0 record.


In 2002, Tressel played 5 ranked teams total (Regular season: #10 WSU, #17 PSU, #23 Minn, #12 Michigan. Bowl: #1 Miami) with a 5-0 record
In 2013, Urban played 3 ranked teams total (Regular season: #22 Wisconsin. BIG Champ: #10 MSU. Bowl: #8 Clemson) with a 1-2 record.


In 2003, Tressel played **8!** ranked teams total (Regular season: #17 Wash, #24 NCST, #22 Wisc, #9 Iowa, #14 MSU, #10 Purdue, #5 Michigan. Bowl: #14 Kansas St) with a 6-2 record.
In 2014, Urban played 4 ranked teams total (Regular season: #7 MSU, #11 Wisc. Bowl #1 Alabama, #2 Oregon) with a record of 4-0. We didn't face a ranked opponent until November.


Playing 2 more ranked teams a year combined with playing 2 less cupcakes a year makes a huge difference on record. Moreover, Urban lost every game against an opponent ranked higher than 20th until his 3rd year.

I don't think there's much room to argue that the BIG was way down when Urban took over, relative to the Tressel years.
 
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Systems_id said:
Tress had nearly the same amount of B1G losses his first SEASON as Urban has his entire tenure here. That's nuts.
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Urban has one more win over Michigan than Tressel had in his first seven years but Tressel had more conference championships. They both had a national championship and one really embarrassing blowout loss in pursuit of one. Their records are pretty similar despite Urban's teams being a little more talented (and a lot better conditioned). I don't recall ever seeing Tressel's teams get steamrolled by a double digit underdog.
 
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Hetuck said:
Urban has one more win over Michigan than Tressel had in his first seven years but Tressel had more conference championships. They both had a national championship and one really embarrassing blowout loss in pursuit of one. Their records are pretty similar despite Urban's teams being a little more talented (and a lot better conditioned). I don't recall ever seeing Tressel's teams get steamrolled by a double digit underdog.
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Tressel's worst loss was 35-3 to USC.

His second worst? 41-14 .... to Urban Meyer.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
B1G regular season record
2012: 8-0
2013: 8-0
2014: 8-0
2015: 7-1
2016: 8-1
2017: 8-1
2018: 8-1
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Regular Season B1G record: 55-4 (93.2%)
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Also, he won his first 30 conference games, before the Sparty debacle in late '15. That 30-game conference win streak is the longest, by far, in conference history (and might still be the longest conference winning streak of any conference in FBS).
 
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Oh8ch said:
Tressel's worst loss was 35-3 to USC.

His second worst? 41-14 .... to Urban Meyer.
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Water is wet, the sky is blue. What's your point?

OSU was a 12 point dog at USC when they lost 3-35. They were only 7 point favorites in the BCS Championship Game against Florida.

Tressel never got steamrolled by a double digit dog like Urban has against Purdue this year and Iowa last year. There are pros and cons to both. Overall their records are fairly similar.
 
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