ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2018 thread)

[CFPBuckeye]

I generally avoid their boards and such but I can only assume this is an indicator that they are going full frontal on the Shea Patterson hype train up there?

Well since they haven’t developed a single QB in the three plus years that Harbaugh has been around. Someone developed somewhere else has got to be the answer, no?

 

[LostLassie]

I generally avoid their boards and such but I can only assume this is an indicator that they are going full frontal on the Shea Patterson hype train up there?

I haven't disliked Shea, as he was on my fantasy team last year. Didn't always play him, though, due to his propensity for pitching interceptions--sometimes more than once in a game.

So, since we're in the business of making preseason predictions, here's one, with an echo from the All or Nothing series about tsun:
"No, Shea! No, Shea! No! Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Shea!!" as our boy in blue chucks a game-deciding ball into the hands of one of the good guys on the tOSU D.

 

[jwinslow]

 

[CFPBuckeye]

[MichiganMan]That doesn’t go all the way back to the 1800s![/MichiganMan]

 

[Wingate1217]

I really like the part of the picture where they prostitute themselves even further by having the jump-man logo on an official TTUN twitter account. I wonder if the announcement on their new savior allowed them to take him to Paris as well??

 

[CFPBuckeye]

I really like the part of the picture where they prostitute themselves even further by having the jump-man logo on an official TTUN twitter account. I wonder if the announcement on their new savior allowed them to take him to Paris as well??

Patterson? He’s in Paris.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

As do you, Mike. As do you.

With that being said, I sure hope you and all the others who are snickering at Michigan and Shea Patterson are right. I hope Harbaugh continues his more recent history with QBs rather than remembering how he succeeded before moving to The Faithless Whore.

The fact is scUM will win The Game again at some point. It may even be in 2018, I suppose. But, that said, nothing about Patterson's performance as a DI QB has me worried that hes going to be anything remarkable. Likewise, with regard to Harbaugh.... maybe his success with Luck, and relative failure with pretty much everyone else, turns out to be the exception rather than the rule. I mean, that's certainly where the evidence would lead, I think you'd have to agree.

 

[MaxBuck]

... with regard to Harbaugh.... maybe his success with Luck, and relative failure with pretty much everyone else, turns out to be the exception rather than the rule. I mean, that's certainly where the evidence would lead, I think you'd have to agree.

He did a hell of a job with Colin Kaepernick, too, so I guess I don't.

 

[Smudger]

Ass. Clown.

 

[colobuck79]

The fact is scUM will win The Game again at some point. It may even be in 2018, I suppose.

Shut. Your. Whore. Mouth.

 

[NFBuck]

He did a hell of a job with Colin Kaepernick, too, so I guess I don't.

Not really. Kap was a unicorn athletic qb who worked best in a quick strike passing game and improvising on the move out of the pistol. Harbrau and Roman tried to make him read defenses from the pocket and run as a last resort...which he still had to do a lot because his OL's deteriorated each year and he had old, slow receivers. Look at his stats, he never improved from his first year, year and a half when he was still a novelty. He didn't show any meaningful progression as a passer until, oddly enough, Chip Kelly and Ryan Day got their hands on him.

Harbrau does deserve credit for recognizing Kap's unique skillset and turning to and sticking with him when Alex Smith got hurt in 2012, but I'd hardly say he showed much development under the harbrau regime. In fact, he was hard broken by the time harbrau got the boot.

 

[Wells4Heisman]

Whenever I come across a Wolverine fan I'm sure to remind them that they have 1/2 a Championship in 70 years. And while I can't quite remember the stats of Bo I always have them ready on my computer (from the perspective of a ND fan unfortunately.)

Let's review the record of their greatest coach, Bo Schembechler --

1969: Michigan wins the Big 10 but then loses the Rose Bowl to USC 10-3
1970: Michigan is 9-0 heading into Ohio State but comes up short 20-9
1971: Michigan is 11-0 and facing heavy underdog Stanford in the Rose Bowl: 13-12 Stanford
1972: 10-0 heading into OSU: 14-11 Buckeyes
1973: 10-0 and Michigan has Ohio State at home: 10-10 tie and the conference athletic directors vote to send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl
1974: 10-0 heading into Columbus: 12-10 Buckeyes
1975: 8-0-2 and have OSU at home: 21-14 OSU. But good news, the Big 10 now allows other Big 10 teams to go to a bowl. 14-6 Oklahoma over Michigan in the Orange Bowl
1976: Inexplicable 16-14 loss to Purdue, but Michigan finally gets by Ohio State and goes to the Rose Bowl. Oh goody: 14-6 USC
1977: Another dumb conference loss, this one 16-0 to Minnesota. But they beat the Buckeyes and they're back in the Rose Bowl and a huge favorite over 7-4 Washington, so finally Michigan's going to win the Rose Bowl. Oops: 27-20 Washington
1978: This time the conference gag is against MSU but the Wolves beat the Bucks again and are back in the Rose Bowl. Same song, 18th verse: 17-10 USC
1979: Michigan has Devine's worst team in Ann Arbor and the Wolves have already tuned up on Northwestern and it's ND's opener. No matter, Bob Crable blocks a game-winning FG attempt and ND wins 12-10. 8-3 Michigan finally gets an easy bowl opponent, UNC in the Gator Bowl. Thanks for playing Bo: 17-15 UNC.
1980: Finally Michigan wins a Rose Bowl (over Washington). But a 51-yard FG by Harry Oliver beats UM in ND stadium. The next week the stunned Wolves also lose to South Carolina, removing them from NC consideration.
1981: Bo finally beats ND (Faust's 5-6 team) and beats UCLA in a bowl game. The bad news? It's the Bluebonnet Bowl.
1982: Bo gets beat by Faust but still makes it to the Rose Bowl at 8-3 and plays UCLA. UCLA wins of course, 24-14.
1983: Good news: ND's off the schedule for Bo. Bad news, they have to play Washington again and lose 27-25. 9-2 Michigan gets invited to the Sugar Bowl where they lose to Auburn 9-7. Bo has now managed to lose 3 of the then-Big 4 bowls.
1984: Michigan flops around to a 6-5 record and then makes history as the weakest opponent ever in a bowl game for a national championship team as BYU gets by them 24-17 to claim the NC even though BYU would've been a 2-touchdown underdog to either Oklahoma or Nebraska.
1985: A conference loss to Iowa and a tie with Illinois keeps UM out of the Rose Bowl and NC consideration. UM does beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.
1986: Familiar scene. ND is jobbed by a bad call as the game-winning TD is ruled out of bounds. UM somehow loses to Minnesota in Ann Arbor but still makes it to the Rose Bowl where the Wolves lose 22-15 to ASU. ASU is now the 5th Pac 8 or 10 team to beat Bo's teams in the Rose Bowl.
1987: Lou drills UM 26-7 in Ann Arbor. Michigan suffers 3 more losses to go 8-4.
1988: Gillette's miss allows ND to win 19-17 setting up ND's 12-0 season. UM does finally manage to win the Rose Bowl over USC. ND defeats both participants in the Rose Bowl during the regular season.
1989: Rocket runs back two kickoffs and Michigan loses 24-19. Michigan plays well and wins the next 10 before losing the Rose Bowl to USC. ND beats both participants in the Rose Bowl, again.

And thus concludes Bo's career.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

He did a hell of a job with Colin Kaepernick, too, so I guess I don't.

Not really. Kap was a unicorn athletic qb who worked best in a quick strike passing game and improvising on the move out of the pistol. Harbrau and Roman tried to make him read defenses from the pocket and run as a last resort...which he still had to do a lot because his OL's deteriorated each year and he had old, slow receivers. Look at his stats, he never improved from his first year, year and a half when he was still a novelty. He didn't show any meaningful progression as a passer until, oddly enough, Chip Kelly and Ryan Day got their hands on him.

Harbrau does deserve credit for recognizing Kap's unique skillset and turning to and sticking with him when Alex Smith got hurt in 2012, but I'd hardly say he showed much development under the harbrau regime. In fact, he was hard broken by the time harbrau got the boot.

Still sure about that, max? I think you'll find, if you actually do the research, that the number of QB's Harbaugh hasn't whispered to success far exceeds those that he has. Indeed, he's been at Michigan long enough you'd think he'd have recruited and developed a single starting QB by now. I suppose you could count Peters' handful of starts.

 

[sflbuck]

I am not snickering at Patterson. He is a significant upgrade over Peters. He is talented and also adds the dimension to their offense of being escapable from the pocket. I am trying to present the following football facts for discussion.

1) For the first time ever, he will not operating out of the shotgun. He will now have to drop back and then pick up his receivers.

2) He is learning a new offense. An offense that is know for it complexity.

3) He needs to learn this offense without the benefit of being named the starter. Oh, and his coach has taken away a significant number of practice reps by scheduling a European trip.

4) His blind side will no longer be protected by a future first round draft choice (Greg Little). Instead they will have to chose from among a couple of stiff's that have not shown anything yet or hope for the return of a talented LT that is returning form an injury 2 years ago where he almost lost his leg (and may not be cleared to play at all).

5) His WR's may be talented but as of yet are unproven.

6) His RB's are good but are not game breakers.

7) Recruiting up till now has not been at the level of other serious National Championship contenders. In fact, Mississippi finished ahead of SCUM in 2014, 2015 and 2016. That means as a group, Patterson will be surrounded by less talent know then he was a Mississippi. SCUM is still talented, especially on defense. However, they do not have the depth of other contenders. One injury at a critical position can wreck their chance.

Am I more concerned by this years edition of The Game? Yes

Do I think this make them favorites for a NC or even places them in the Top 3? Most definitely not.

In fact, I view all this talk as coming for SEC homers and Big Ten haters. All a Big Ten team is to be great is to get talented QB from middle of the road SEC team.

 

[Buckeye86]

Can Patterson not audible to a draw immediately after his coach tells him not to audible to a draw? That, apparently, would be a big step forward for them.