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ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2015 official thread)

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Jaxbuck said:
If I had to guess their first stage of group denial will be just that...denial (and not the river in Egypt).

They will take a page out of the Pedster playbook and torture every single word written or result produced to find a way to keep the JimBo = savior narrative alive for as long as they possibly can.

Once the cracks start to show in that wall of psychic defense, your guess is as good as mine as to what those delusional pole smokers will do next but I know one thing for sure, I'll be watching and laughing my ass off.
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The best part is that Harbaugh is almost certainly going to leave way before he establishes any type of sustained success.

My guess on the narrative will be how Harbaugh had them "on the right track" but the call of the NFL was too much for the greatest coach of all time, who would have undoubtedly led them to multiple national titles... had he stuck around for longer than his barely above .500 three seasons in Ann Arbor.
 
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Hairbaugh has lost this recruiting season and when you consider what Hoke left him - four years of kids that didn't improve - the soonest he's going to be ready to make a run at a Big Ten crown is 2017, probably 2018. I don't know if LVIILoyd left the cupboard bare, but the Dick Wad years and Hoke's classes have left Michigan with little outside of a decent defense and Greg Mattison.

By comparison, the talent handed off from Woody to Earl, Earl to Coop, Coop to Tressel, and Tressel and Luke to Meyer formed a base to build on. Earl comes within a last second touchdown of an NC with the team Woody left him. Cooper's last team contained most of the kids who would win the 2002/2003 NC game. Meyer went 24 and 0 with talent left by Tress.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
It's funny reading mgoblog regarding Davis.



Just wait, you'll see!



You might think #24 is a bit discouraging in a population poor, talent poor state like Alabama, but have no fear because some other site ranks him #16!



De'Veon Smith, Derrick Green, and Ty Isaac are all pretty much the same exact size, which is interesting. I guess they really are giving up on the next season or two?

Forget about the #1 overall back currently on our roster who's the same exact size, this 3-star kid from Alabama who doesn't perform well in camp settings and plays against garbage competition is really going to show what Harbaugh can do once he cracks the lineup!

Sidebar: As I was looking up heights and weights for their current RBs, I noticed they have 7 FBs and 8 QBs listed on their roster.



Um, okay? First, talented players stand out at camp regardless of their size. See: Kareem Walker.

Second, how is this any different than what Hoke was trying to do and failing spectacularly at?

If you want to dominate by playing smash mouth football like Alabama, you need to have significantly better talent than the teams you're playing against.

Last time I checked, Alabama lands the best RBs in the county every single year... and they still struggle without a competent game manager at QB.

OMGharbaugh! better be a magician of player development, because he's not playing in the PAC-10 anymore.
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The only corrections I'd say are that Prattvillke is actually a very good team, and it's in a very good division and the biggest in AL. And AL actually produces a good number of high end recruits, they just never make it up this far north to OSU. But Alabama and Auburn at Minumum have been highly successful with a large number of AL HS talent on their team.
But the rest of your rant was spot on
 
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pnuts34 said:
The only corrections I'd say are that Prattvillke is actually a very good team, and it's in a very good division and the biggest in AL. And AL actually produces a good number of high end recruits, they just never make it up this far north to OSU. But Alabama and Auburn at Minumum have been highly successful with a large number of AL HS talent on their team.
But the rest of your rant was spot on
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What constitutes a good number of high end recruits? This year, of the players from alabama ranked by scout, only 10 are 4*-5* kids. In 2015, there were again 10 players that were 4*-5* kids, and 45 3* kids. In 2014 there were 11 4*-5* kids. I don't know if 10 "high end" kids a year would constitute a good number.

Compare that to the 21 4*-5* kids in Ohio in 2014, 25 4*-5* kids in Ohio in 2015 and only 11 4*-5* kids in 2016 in what is thought to be a pretty down year.
 
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tsteele316 said:
What constitutes a good number of high end recruits? This year, of the players from alabama ranked by scout, only 10 are 4*-5* kids. In 2015, there were again 10 players that were 4*-5* kids, and 45 3* kids. In 2014 there were 11 4*-5* kids. I don't know if 10 "high end" kids a year would constitute a good number.

Compare that to the 21 4*-5* kids in Ohio in 2014, 25 4*-5* kids in Ohio in 2015 and only 11 4*-5* kids in 2016 in what is thought to be a pretty down year.
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Well when Ohio has twice as many residents as Alabama we would of course have more actual kids with higher stars. Alabama for their size produces a high amount of talent http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=4dd68b3b-a14d-4ea4-828b-14c842539069
 
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pnuts34 said:
Well when Ohio has twice as many residents as Alabama we would of course have more actual kids with higher stars. Alabama for their size produces a high amount of talent http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=4dd68b3b-a14d-4ea4-828b-14c842539069
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what does the per capita rate of blue chippers have to do with your premise that alabama produces lots of "high end" talent? alabama as a state doesn't produce a lot of high end talent from a numbers perspective. they produce roughly 10 "high end" caliber kids per year. that doesn't make a kid ranked 20th in the state any better because alabama's population is lower.
 
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I didn't say they produce "lots", a good amount is just meaning they produce a large amount for their states population. And they do. Like I said, 2 teams that have won recent NCs take most of that talent and its paid dividends on the field. And in no way did I say that Davis is better because he's from Alabama. But anyway, back to scUM.

tsteele316 said:
what does the per capita rate of blue chippers have to do with your premise that alabama produces lots of "high end" talent? alabama as a state doesn't produce a lot of high end talent from a numbers perspective. they produce roughly 10 "high end" caliber kids per year. that doesn't make a kid ranked 20th in the state any better because alabama's population is lower.
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