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ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2015 official thread)

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LordJeffBuck said:
The "Michigan brand" this millennium:

110-66 record, .625 winning percentage. Michigan honks endlessly remind us that they are the winningest CFB program of all time, but since 2001 they are only #29.

2-12 record in The Game.

2 Big Ten titles, and none since 2004.

3-8 in bowl games, including 1-3 in BCS bowl games.

This is the "Michigan brand" that recruits know, and apparently do not love.

Meanwhile, back in Columbus, the Buckeyes have a record of 150-32, .824 winning percentage, #2 overall (#1 for Power5 teams).

12-2 record in The Game.

8 Big Ten titles, and 2 undisputed national championships.

8-6 record in bowl games, including 7-4 in BCS bowls/playoff games.

The Buckeyes will enter 2015 as defending national champs, the #1 team in the country, and with several All American candidates led by perhaps the greatest head coach in CFB history.

Ohio State OWNS Michigan, and that won't be changing any time soon.
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Yeah sure, you provided FACTS!!1!!1 but do you have any EVIDENTS?
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
The "Michigan brand" this millennium:

110-66 record, .625 winning percentage. Michigan honks endlessly remind us that they are the winningest CFB program of all time, but since 2001 they are only #29.

2-12 record in The Game.

2 Big Ten titles, and none since 2004.

3-8 in bowl games, including 1-3 in BCS bowl games.

This is the "Michigan brand" that recruits know, and apparently do not love.
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The reason they're the "winningest" team of all-time is that they played shit teams for their first several decades of existence. Here's a sampling of the high school, athletic club, and military unit teams they played:

Albion, American Medical, Ann Arbor HS, Beloit, Camp Grant, Carlisle Indian School, Carroll, Case Institute of Technology, Chicago Harvard Club, Cleveland AA, Detroit, Detroit AC, Detroit Independents AC, Drake, Ferris St, Grand Rapids HS, Great Lakes NTS, Hillsdale, Iowa Navy Pre-Flight, Kalamazoo, Kenyon, Lake Forest, Lake Forest/Rush Medical, Lawrence, Michigan AA, Michigan Alumni, Michigan Military Academy, Ohio Wesleyan, Olivet, Peninsular Club, Physicians & Surgeons, Quantico Marines, Racine, Stevens Tech, University Club of Chicago, Wabash, Wesleyan, Western Reserve, Windsor Club.

The vast majority of these were played in the 1800s and early 1900s.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
The reason they're the "winningest" team of all-time is that they played [Mark May] teams for their first several decades of existence. Here's a sampling of the high school, athletic club, and military unit teams they played:

Albion, American Medical, Ann Arbor HS, Beloit, Camp Grant, Carlisle Indian School, Carroll, Case Institute of Technology, Chicago Harvard Club, Cleveland AA, Detroit, Detroit AC, Detroit Independents AC, Drake, Ferris St, Grand Rapids HS, Great Lakes NTS, Hillsdale, Iowa Navy Pre-Flight, Kalamazoo, Kenyon, Lake Forest, Lake Forest/Rush Medical, Lawrence, Michigan AA, Michigan Alumni, Michigan Military Academy, Ohio Wesleyan, Olivet, Peninsular Club, Physicians & Surgeons, Quantico Marines, Racine, Stevens Tech, University Club of Chicago, Wabash, Wesleyan, Western Reserve, Windsor Club.

The vast majority of these were played in the 1800s and early 1900s.
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Not to shit on the fuck scUM parade, but many of those teams you mention were legitimate at that time, including: Case Institute of Technology, Carlisle Indian School, Drake, Ferris St, Iowa Pre-Flight, Kenyon, Ohio Wesleyan, and Western Reserve.
 
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Buckeye Maniac said:
Not to [Mark May] on the fuck scUM parade, but many of those teams you mention were legitimate at that time, including: Case Institute of Technology, Carlisle Indian School, Drake, Ferris St, Iowa Pre-Flight, Kenyon, Ohio Wesleyan, and Western Reserve.
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Legit compared to what? It just shows that counting wins from that timeframe just to pad your status as the "winningest" team of all time is weak at best (yeah, Ohio State also played some of those teams, including Carlisle Indian School and Carlisle Indian School). You mention Drake, Kenyon, Ohio Wesleyan as being legit back then, but unless Ohio State was already a national powerhouse near the turn of the 20th century I'd disagree, since Ohio State went 17-6 against Kenyon and 26-2-1 against Ohio Wesleyan, and the one game we played against Drake we won 85-7. And we didn't play any high school teams, either (we did play one game against a YMCA team from Dayton in 1892). Granted, available opposition was somewhat limited, but Michigan made more of a habit of playing non-college teams.
 
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