2022 ttun recruiting

[buckeyemania11]

What you're basically saying is that OSU's staff is better at scouting AND developing talent. Because former 3star Chris Olave and former 3star Ronnie Bell are not the same!

funny considering they always point to Ronnie Bell as the "look at what this low low 3* has done"

Ronnie Bell is a nice role player on a elite team. He is scUMs #1 "offensive weapon". A room full of good not great types will beat the lower level schools most of the time, but you're never going to jump into the elite that way. Or even compete with them even semi regularly.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

He has Walter Nolen penciled in

Even if Michigan somehow lands Nolen (hires his grandmother as an defensive analyst, or something), their class would basically be Will Johnson, Walt Nolen, and 25 guys nobody else was recruiting. In other words, still a mediocre class that won't be able to compete with Ohio State.

Ronnie Bell is a nice role player on a elite team.

Ronnie Bell at Ohio State:

WR1: Chris Olave
WR2: Garrett Wilson
WR3: Jaxon Smith-Njigba
WR4: Marvin Harrison, Jr.
WR5: Emeka Egbuka
WR6: Julian Fleming
WR7: Ronnie Bell OR Jayden Ballard

If Kamryn Babb could ever stay healthy, then he'd also be somewhere in the mix.

 

[buckeyemania11]

Even if Michigan somehow lands Nolen (hires his grandmother as an defensive analyst, or something), their class would basically be Will Johnson, Walt Nolen, and 25 guys nobody else was recruiting. In other words, still a mediocre class that won't be able to compete with Ohio State.

Right now 3 of their top 4 are at positions Harbaugh and co have constantly misused or just not developed. QB and WR. Johnson currently is the only thing making the class not a total disaster. 7/12 500th+ nationally only 4/12 crack the top 300. I'd say the odds right now are better that they lose one of their 2 top 100 guys before they gain another one as well. Nolen seems like the only one, be it a pipe dream, left on the board that they have some kind of actual shot at.

 

[Oh8ch]

Even money Johnson decommits by the end of the season.

 

[pnuts34]

Even money Johnson decommits by the end of the season.

Idk, I think the legacy angle keeps him. And the defense they try and design solely around him like they did with Peppers. And like in that instance, it won't matter long term. But Johnson will be billed as the next Woodson. I see him playing CB, S, PR, KR, WR, etc

 

[Oh8ch]

Idk, I think the legacy angle keeps him. And the defense they try and design solely around him like they did with Peppers. And like in that instance, it won't matter long term. But Johnson will be billed as the next Woodson. I see him playing CB, S, PR, KR, WR, etc

Thus the 50/50.

Legacy goes a long way. But at the end of the year it will either be Harbaugh staying after another failed season, or a coaching change with the associated chaos.

At some point Dad has to take a hard look at what is best for his son. This ain't it.

It will be interesting to see what Daxton Hill's draft stock looks like at the end of this season. He was the #14 player our of HS. At his position that screams first round as a junior regardless of a shortened season. The draft wont have happed yet, but there will be plenty of mocks.

 

[buckeyemania11]

Thus the 50/50.

Legacy goes a long way. But at the end of the year it will either be Harbaugh staying after another failed season, or a coaching change with the associated chaos.

At some point Dad has to take a hard look at what is best for his son. This ain't it.

It will be interesting to see what Daxton Hill's draft stock looks like at the end of this season. He was the #14 player our of HS. At his position that screams first round as a junior regardless of a shortened season. The draft wont have happed yet, but there will be plenty of mocks.

Eh Could be a situation though where he gets drafted quite a bit higher than he should based off of measurables and athleticism regardless of mediocre production. DB version of Gary and Paye

 

[Jaxbuck]

Eh Could be a situation though where he gets drafted quite a bit higher than he should based off of measurables and athleticism regardless of mediocre production. DB version of Gary and Paye

That kid can play. Wish he would have chosen better.

 

[pnuts34]

Thus the 50/50.

Legacy goes a long way. But at the end of the year it will either be Harbaugh staying after another failed season, or a coaching change with the associated chaos.

At some point Dad has to take a hard look at what is best for his son. This ain't it.

It will be interesting to see what Daxton Hill's draft stock looks like at the end of this season. He was the #14 player our of HS. At his position that screams first round as a junior regardless of a shortened season. The draft wont have happed yet, but there will be plenty of mocks.

Legacy kept DPJ from bolting, and it wasn't Hairball was setting the world on fire before he got there.
And let's be honest, Hairball ain't going nowhere, scUM doesn't want to go through another massive reset like they did after Carr. After RichRod and cHoke, I'm sure the scUM admin have full on chubbies for 9 and 10 win seasons. Hairball provides that. Peppers got drafted in the 1st round with mediocre(at best) stats, and dozens of plays where he's seen out of position and chasing offensive players. But Hairball used smoke and mirrors by playing him everywhere, and NFL analysts drooled all over it.
And this is the same set of coaches who touted OSU's players as their own to show players drafted by them. If Hill goes in the first 4 rounds then Hairball will tout that as a win. And yes @Jaxbuck , Hill deserved to be at a better program, I figured he would've hit the portal by now.

 

[buckeyemania11]

The top 100 WR they got i'd probably put decent money on bailing by the end of the season. Unless the offense looks drastically better than we are expecting.

As a DB you can manifest your own destiny and still look good in a bad defense

As a WR you are kind of hampered by playing in a mediocre-bad offense with shoddy QB play

Harbaugh still getting any decently highly rated skill position players is kind of mind boggling considering the lack of what hes done with the ones hes had.

 

[Oh8ch]

Scout recruiting listings include the all time highest rated recruits for each team (bottom of the list of commits). "All time" really means since 2002 when recruiting numbers started being tracked as they are today.

I took a hard look at OSU vs Michigan this morning and it is one more way that OSU dominates UM

Of the top 50 (top 42 actually*) "All Time" OSU recruits 16 are either on the current roster or are committed for next season. (That number could go to 17 this week.) That in itself is an incredible statement about recent OSU recruiting.

For Michigan that number is 5. FIVE. And perhaps more to the point, that number would be eight, except those other 3 have transferred out of Michigan. That is a 37.5% transfer rate among elite recruits.

* If we get JTT this week that will mean that 40% of the top OSU recruits will be committed or on the current roster. Wow. Just wow.

 

[Buckeye86]

Lost the #641 3-star DT (that was apparently 100% crystal balled to UM) to Tennessee of all places.

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/3-dt-jordan-phillips-commits-tennessee

The strategy of not even competing with the big dogs for recruits has somehow come through as some sort of strength in the heads of DFBIA.

Yeah have to agree here, it is starting to look glaringly bad for Nua. The best recruiters on this staff don't have heavy lean prospects just up and commit to a non-Alabama/OSU/Clemson type program.

When UM is the heavy favorite against UMass and NC State, their ace recruiters close the deal!

It’s funny that even when they are imagining non-existent scenarios where they are competing against the best and are favored, they acknowledge they will lose.

But in actual scenarios where they aren’t favored (to anyone outside of the most horrible group of insiders around)

Bonus quote:

Oh man. That is definitely a major bummer, because his film is impressive. I feel for Sam Webb* though, he's been saying for months Michigan is way out ahead in his recruitment and then out of nowhere a middling program (with some deep pockets, mind you) comes in and snags him.

they still can’t even bring themselves to be pessimistic about Walter Nolen, despite so, so many red flags.

Their DL coach is bad at developing talent and recruiting:

There's been recruiting gaffes and mediocrity along the defensive line multiple times since he's been here, I've also never heard a player say they "really connect" with Nua with the exception of the kid who's brother played for him at ASU and subsequently went elsewhere.

It's starting to look like maybe Nua isn't going to be able to hack it under this new heavy recruiting focused approach of the staff.

Look I'm no insider but from 247 you can see that Sherrone Moore is either the primary or secondary on every major recruit Nua's gotten for Michigan. One has to wonder how much of his decent success has been having our ace recruiter hold his hand. It sure doesn't look like Nua's even an above average coach in terms of player development, but I guess this is the year we'll really be able to tell on that front.

And then this splash of reality that is just ignored:

He could very well be the reason why. I just saw an Alabama insider say it's down to Alabama for Walter Nolen with a possibility of Florida. He didn't even bring up Michigan.

But no, I’m sure they are on track for good things there. Nolen is “penciled in.”

And just for some extra fun of DFBIA just living in a different world:

Fergodsakes, can't we counter with a bigger NIL bag? We should not be losing recruiting battles anymore to anyone not named Saban.

Yes, the 2020 2-4 season and the 2022 class all point to your only peer being the greatest ever.

The next step up for you isn’t consistently beating Wisconsin, it’s greatest ever tier.

And then they also get into how they’re going to screw up NIL, but of course it’s because they are better than everyone else.

Yeah, it is kind of sad and ridiculous that there will be college players that will take home a bigger paycheck than some NFL players. I think Michigan absolutely can, and sometimes will open up the bag. I also think they will maintain a certain level of morals and integrity that other programs simply won't

 

[NFBuck]

Lost the #641 3-star DT (that was apparently 100% crystal balled to UM) to Tennessee of all places.

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/3-dt-jordan-phillips-commits-tennessee

The strategy of not even competing with the big dogs for recruits has somehow come through as some sort of strength in the heads of DFBIA.


When UM is the heavy favorite against UMass and NC State, their ace recruiters close the deal!

It’s funny that even when they are imagining non-existent scenarios where they are competing against the best and are favored, they acknowledge they will lose.

But in actual scenarios where they aren’t favored (to anyone outside of the most horrible group of insiders around)

Bonus quote:


they still can’t even bring themselves to be pessimistic about Walter Nolen, despite so, so many red flags.

Their DL coach is bad at developing talent and recruiting:





And then this splash of reality that is just ignored:


But no, I’m sure they are on track for good things there. Nolen is “penciled in.”

And just for some extra fun of DFBIA just living in a different world:


Yes, the 2020 2-4 season and the 2022 class all point to your only peer being the greatest ever.

The next step up for you isn’t consistently beating Wisconsin, it’s greatest ever tier.

And then they also get into how they’re going to screw up NIL, but of course it’s because they are better than everyone else.

 

[gmen6981]

They are focusing all their efforts on their 2021 national championship run. The future can wait.

Natty in what? Women's water polo?

 

[colobuck79]

Natty in what? Women's water polo?

No, we win that one every year.