2021 ttun recruiting

[ScriptOhio]

If this 5* QB has half a brain he’s going to see the complete lack of talent and size coming into the program and make some real decisions about his ability to be successful with a team like that.

I would be shocked if other coaches who are still sniffing around him aren’t pointing this out to him, frequently... and with each additional commitment.

Two points:

1. Well. he hasn't actually signed yet so anything could still happen. Another factor, Rivals has him as a 4-star and the 5th best pro style QB in the 2021 class; so maybe he isn't all that "elite".
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/j-j-mccarthy-206647

2. Re: J.J. McCarthy is a marked man these days. Anytime he walks onto a football field, people know who he is. That’s a reality he’d grown used to in his home-state of Illinois after leading La Grange Park Nazareth Academy to a state championship last year as a sophomore. But since committing to Michigan a few months ago, he has been getting recognized all over the country.

“(The increased attention) is just because of the alumni base (and) how friggin outstanding it is… how it’s one of the biggest out of all the schools,” McCarthy told The Michigan Insider after practice last Thursday. “Just like everyone that I talk to… if they don’t know my name or anything, they’re just like ‘oh you’re the Michigan kid, right?’ So, it’s kind of cool having that and just knowing that Michigan has such a big brand and a big name for itself, and happy that I chose that brand.”
(Warning: if you read too much of this article ↓ you'll probably barf) https://247sports.com/college/michi...-to-take-his-game-to-another-level-133439879/

Just sayin': You know, he actually sounds like the over rated jerks that tend to gravitate to scUM; think Peppers, Hart, Kalis, and the list goes on and on.

 

[Hstead]

Two points:

1. Well. he hasn't actually signed yet so anything could still happen. Another factor, Rivals has him as a 4-star and the 5th best pro style QB in the 2021 class; so maybe he isn't all that "elite".
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/j-j-mccarthy-206647

2. Re: J.J. McCarthy is a marked man these days. Anytime he walks onto a football field, people know who he is. That’s a reality he’d grown used to in his home-state of Illinois after leading La Grange Park Nazareth Academy to a state championship last year as a sophomore. But since committing to Michigan a few months ago, he has been getting recognized all over the country.

“(The increased attention) is just because of the alumni base (and) how friggin outstanding it is… how it’s one of the biggest out of all the schools,” McCarthy told The Michigan Insider after practice last Thursday. “Just like everyone that I talk to… if they don’t know my name or anything, they’re just like ‘oh you’re the Michigan kid, right?’ So, it’s kind of cool having that and just knowing that Michigan has such a big brand and a big name for itself, and happy that I chose that brand.”
(Warning: if you read too much of this article ↓ you'll probably barf) https://247sports.com/college/michi...-to-take-his-game-to-another-level-133439879/

Just sayin': You know, he actually sounds like the over rated jerks that tend to gravitate to scUM; think Peppers, Hart, Kalis, and the list goes on and on.

How can you say Peppers was overrated?

He was drafted in the first round.


By the BROWNS LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ScriptOhio]

How can you say Peppers was overrated?

He was drafted in the first round.


By the BROWNS LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: He was drafted in the first round.

Besides being over rated, that makes him getting "over paid" too.

 

[pnuts34]

Two points:

1. Well. he hasn't actually signed yet so anything could still happen. Another factor, Rivals has him as a 4-star and the 5th best pro style QB in the 2021 class; so maybe he isn't all that "elite".
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/j-j-mccarthy-206647

2. Re: J.J. McCarthy is a marked man these days. Anytime he walks onto a football field, people know who he is. That’s a reality he’d grown used to in his home-state of Illinois after leading La Grange Park Nazareth Academy to a state championship last year as a sophomore. But since committing to Michigan a few months ago, he has been getting recognized all over the country.

“(The increased attention) is just because of the alumni base (and) how friggin outstanding it is… how it’s one of the biggest out of all the schools,” McCarthy told The Michigan Insider after practice last Thursday. “Just like everyone that I talk to… if they don’t know my name or anything, they’re just like ‘oh you’re the Michigan kid, right?’ So, it’s kind of cool having that and just knowing that Michigan has such a big brand and a big name for itself, and happy that I chose that brand.”
(Warning: if you read too much of this article ↓ you'll probably barf) https://247sports.com/college/michi...-to-take-his-game-to-another-level-133439879/

Just sayin': You know, he actually sounds like the over rated jerks that tend to gravitate to scUM; think Peppers, Hart, Kalis, and the list goes on and on.

You mean like Morris, Woodson, Howard, Hudson, Forcier, Jenkins-stone, Gary, Streets, Edwards, yup the list sure goes on and on

 

[Oh8ch]

Michigan currently has 6 defensive commits the highest rated of which is #388.

OSUs 6th rated defensive commit is ranked #134.

That is a gap of 254 spots.

I used to have to work a little to make them look bad.

 

[ScriptOhio]

URBAN MEYER ON OHIO STATE VS. MICHIGAN RECRUITING BATTLES: “I DON’T FEEL THE STREET FIGHT AT ALL”

According to Urban Meyer, the Ohio State vs. Michigan recruiting battles have lost their luster.

Meyer came to Ohio State expecting to battle with Michigan for the state of Ohio's elite high school talent, and for the first few years of his Buckeye coaching career, a battle is exactly what he got.

Between 2011 and 2014, Brady Hoke's Michigan team signed more players from Ohio (27) than any other state, including their home of Michigan (26). The Wolverines were signing top-100 players from the Buckeye State, like Kyle Kalis, Joe Bolden, Chris Wormley or Dymonte Thomas.

That all changed when Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh.

Since Harbaugh's arrival, the Wolverines have signed less than half in as many Ohio prospects in six years as Hoke-led Michigan did in four, and hasn't signed a single top-100 player from the state during that span. In two of Harbaugh's three most recent classes, the Wolverines didn't sign a single player from Ohio.

While talking to Dave Briggs of the Detriot Free Press, Meyer was fairly blunt in his thoughts about Michigan's recent recruiting efforts in Ohio.

I asked Meyer if he was surprised by Harbaugh’s limited success in Ohio.

“I have been,” he told The Blade. “If you look a their history, and I know their history very well, two Heisman Trophy winners from Ohio, great players from Ohio. ... Coach [Ryan] Day and myself and our recruiting guy, we monitor them. Even to this day, I'll ask, what's going on [at Michigan]?’ That usually was a street fight when we first got there, with Brady Hoke and even coach Harbaugh. It was a street fight, because they were into Ohio everywhere.”

Does Meyer sense less of a “street fight” for Ohio prospects today?

“Oh, yeah,” he said. “I don’t feel the street fight at all.”

Michigan does currently hold two commitments from Ohio prospects in the 2021 class – the No. 393 and No. 513 players in the country, respectively – but Harbaugh will have to do much better than that if he wants to regain a foothold in the state.

As it stands now, Ohio State has built a rampart around the Buckeye State, and Michigan has been unable to penetrate it – and doesn't really seem to be trying all that hard.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...-battles-i-don-t-feel-the-street-fight-at-all

Hey, recruiting "street fights" are over rated. I'll take 8 straight and 15 wins over the past 16 years every time...

 

[brodybuck21]

URBAN MEYER ON OHIO STATE VS. MICHIGAN RECRUITING BATTLES: “I DON’T FEEL THE STREET FIGHT AT ALL”

According to Urban Meyer, the Ohio State vs. Michigan recruiting battles have lost their luster.

Meyer came to Ohio State expecting to battle with Michigan for the state of Ohio's elite high school talent, and for the first few years of his Buckeye coaching career, a battle is exactly what he got.

Between 2011 and 2014, Brady Hoke's Michigan team signed more players from Ohio (27) than any other state, including their home of Michigan (26). The Wolverines were signing top-100 players from the Buckeye State, like Kyle Kalis, Joe Bolden, Chris Wormley or Dymonte Thomas.

That all changed when Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh.

Since Harbaugh's arrival, the Wolverines have signed less than half in as many Ohio prospects in six years as Hoke-led Michigan did in four, and hasn't signed a single top-100 player from the state during that span. In two of Harbaugh's three most recent classes, the Wolverines didn't sign a single player from Ohio.

While talking to Dave Briggs of the Detriot Free Press, Meyer was fairly blunt in his thoughts about Michigan's recent recruiting efforts in Ohio.

I asked Meyer if he was surprised by Harbaugh’s limited success in Ohio.

“I have been,” he told The Blade. “If you look a their history, and I know their history very well, two Heisman Trophy winners from Ohio, great players from Ohio. ... Coach [Ryan] Day and myself and our recruiting guy, we monitor them. Even to this day, I'll ask, what's going on [at Michigan]?’ That usually was a street fight when we first got there, with Brady Hoke and even coach Harbaugh. It was a street fight, because they were into Ohio everywhere.”

Does Meyer sense less of a “street fight” for Ohio prospects today?

“Oh, yeah,” he said. “I don’t feel the street fight at all.”

Michigan does currently hold two commitments from Ohio prospects in the 2021 class – the No. 393 and No. 513 players in the country, respectively – but Harbaugh will have to do much better than that if he wants to regain a foothold in the state.

As it stands now, Ohio State has built a rampart around the Buckeye State, and Michigan has been unable to penetrate it – and doesn't really seem to be trying all that hard.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...-battles-i-don-t-feel-the-street-fight-at-all

Hey, recruiting "street fights" are over rated. I'll take 8 straight and 15 wins over the past 16 years every time...

For the love of God Stop giving ttun advice on what to fix!

 

[Jaxbuck]

The Wolverines were signing top-100 players from the Buckeye State, like Kyle Kalis, Joe Bolden, Chris Wormley or Dymonte Thomas.

only at that one perfect moment of vulnerability between Tressel and Meyer (and that is an 0-4 swing and miss of a list right there.)

All in all, there may still have been some "street fight" to it but the wall went up around Ohio early in the JT era and they have made no significant inroads against it since.

Harbaugh's lack of any clear recruiting strategy is just the apex of it but symptomatic of his overall personality issues moreso than anything else imo.

A P5 Hc job is like being a CEO, it's all about interpersonal skills and relationships. Recruiting is the life blood of a P5 program and it is also all about interpersonal skills being used to give recruits a feeling of comfort.

If OSU fans could have picked their next HC for them, we couldn't have done as much damage as they did by hiring a guy with glaring, and known, personality issues.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

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If OSU fans could have picked their next HC for them, we couldn't have done as much damage as they did by hiring a guy with glaring, and known, personality issues.

The beautiful part is how many UM-credentialed coworkers I've had that have been convinced Harbaugh would be the answer and that it would soon be like the 90s again. I recall people saying that since just before they hired Hoke; they were convinced that Jimbo would be that hire and that all would be right with the world. Now, the only thing I hear from UM-credentialed coworkers is how they don't care about football anymore.

The Germans call it schadenfreude.
The Russians call it zlorodstvo.
Ohio State fans call it the post-Llllllloyd era at TSUN.

 

[BB73]

The beautiful part is how many UM-credentialed coworkers I've had that have been convinced Harbaugh would be the answer and that it would soon be like the 90s again. I recall people saying that since just before they hired Hoke; they were convinced that Jimbo would be that hire and that all would be right with the world. Now, the only thing I hear from UM-credentialed coworkers is how they don't care about football anymore.

The Germans call it schadenfreude.
The Russians call it zlorodstvo.
Ohio State fans call it the post-Llllllloyd era at TSUN.

It is like the 90s again. Only worse. And going in the opposite direction.

 

[NFBuck]

The beautiful part is how many UM-credentialed coworkers I've had that have been convinced Harbaugh would be the answer and that it would soon be like the 90s again. I recall people saying that since just before they hired Hoke; they were convinced that Jimbo would be that hire and that all would be right with the world. Now, the only thing I hear from UM-credentialed coworkers is how they don't care about football anymore.

The Germans call it schadenfreude.
The Russians call it zlorodstvo.
Ohio State fans call it the post-Llllllloyd era at TSUN.

The dynamics on their board contrasted to five years ago on their boards is fascinating. When Jimbo was hired, it seemed to unify a fractured fanbase and everybody was expecting impending tsun domination. The first year he recruited reasonably well and took a team that was an utter mess and got 10 wins and a bowl victory out of them. Year two, they raced out to a hot start climbing to #2 in the polls before collapsing at the end. Year three, things regressed on the field, but he brought in his best recruiting class. Year four, they appeared to be stuck in neutral and recruiting slipped considerably. Year five, they again weren't really moving forward and recruiting continued to decline. Now entering year six, the fanbase is as divided as they were at the end of the Hoke or DickRod eras and recruiting is nowhere near where it needs to be to even begin approaching the results that they exected.

Jim Harbaugh is one of the most highly compensated coaches in the game. He's managed to get them to around where there post-WWII norm is. 9-4/10-3, but unable to beat the best teams in his own conference or on his schedule. They're paying for Nick Saban, Dabo, Urban/Ryan Day returns, but getting 2005-07 Lllllloyd Carr results. It's not a good value.

 

[jwinslow]

If OSU fans could have picked their next HC for them, we couldn't have done as much damage as they did by hiring a guy with glaring, and known, personality issues.

because your choice would have been an obvious failure, and much easier to fire and move on. The nostalgia, history and ramifications of Jim failing this badly makes it really hard to start over, and will extend the fallout from this era.

 

[Jaxbuck]

because your choice would have been an obvious failure, and much easier to fire and move on. The nostalgia, history and ramifications of Jim failing this badly makes it really hard to start over, and will extend the fallout from this era.

Why do you hate Tyrone Wilingham?

 

[NFBuck]

because your choice would have been an obvious failure, and much easier to fire and move on. The nostalgia, history and ramifications of Jim failing this badly makes it really hard to start over, and will extend the fallout from this era.

Yep.

Where do they go from here?

Since Jimbo upset Petey back in 2007, he was THE GUY. They skipped over him in two coaching searches (the first one, fair enough, he was still cutting his teeth; the second was a debacle). Fate intervened and had him flaming out in SF at the same time they were moving on from their enormous (pun intended) mistake from 2011. He was the "rock star" coach with the SuperBowl pedigree that was going to put them back on the map. He got off to a decent enough start, but by year 3 it was clear this wasn't the same coach that made Stanford a west coast power or who revived a dormant NFL franchise.

If anybody was paying attention, the cracks in the harbrau foundation started showing during the 2013 season and by 2014, his flaws were being brutally exposed in the Bay Area. Now, for whatever reason, the guy they have isn't the guy they are paying for or thought they were getting.

Once he flames out, where do they go? Jimbo was as close to a slam dunk as they were gonna get. There was a time a few years earlier that even most of BP worried about him getting the job. But that fear faded as his faults were brought to light. Now, there's no Urban Meyers waiting out there for their home state flagship to open up and invite him in to return them to glory. Anybody they hire is going to come with inherent risk.

It's beautiful.

 

[osuvictory1]

Yep.

Where do they go from here?

Since Jimbo upset Petey back in 2007, he was THE GUY. They skipped over him in two coaching searches (the first one, fair enough, he was still cutting his teeth; the second was a debacle). Fate intervened and had him flaming out in SF at the same time they were moving on from their enormous (pun intended) mistake from 2011. He was the "rock star" coach with the SuperBowl pedigree that was going to put them back on the map. He got off to a decent enough start, but by year 3 it was clear this wasn't the same coach that made Stanford a west coast power or who revived a dormant NFL franchise.

If anybody was paying attention, the cracks in the harbrau foundation started showing during the 2013 season and by 2014, his flaws were being brutally exposed in the Bay Area. Now, for whatever reason, the guy they have isn't the guy they are paying for or thought they were getting.

Once he flames out, where do they go? Jimbo was as close to a slam dunk as they were gonna get. There was a time a few years earlier that even most of BP worried about him getting the job. But that fear faded as his faults were brought to light. Now, there's no Urban Meyers waiting out there for their home state flagship to open up and invite him in to return them to glory. Anybody they hire is going to come with inherent risk.

It's beautiful.

Harbaugh is definitely a NFL coach. Truth be told he wasn't bad.

In CFB you have to manage kids. Be their best friend. You have to have patience for Gen Z kids.

Harbaugh comes from the old mold. Just do what I tell you. It's that easy. Harbaugh is also aloof. He's not a people person.

In the NFL that's fine. You can also lose a few in the NFL and nobody bitches. In CFB losing one is deadly. You don't have to stroke people. Either they produce or they are out.

I think Harbaugh's recent nice words about the York's probably indicates a peace with where his true talents lie.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in the NFL soon.