Nati-Toledo Bucks
Heisman
They were. So not getting developed properly? While scum got converted WR playing corner and such.lol. Heads need to roll. No dog mentality in the secondary
Upvote
0
-
Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
- Thread starter JCOSU86
- Start date
They were. So not getting developed properly? While scum got converted WR playing corner and such.lol. Heads need to roll. No dog mentality in the secondary
I'll just summarize my thoughts in this thread but all of this will get hashed out over and over in multiple threads I am sure. I also haven't read much of what others are saying so forgive me if I am being repetitive.
Hate Week
The older I get the more I love it. It's Christmas week for (alleged) adults. You can't base your enjoyment of the week itself based on what gift you might get from Santa. The old fat bastard either comes through or he doesn't. What he does isn't on me, how I react to it is what I can control and I choose to love the week no matter what a Saturday may bring. Getting back to Columbus, meeting friends, being with family seeing the campus and the 'Shoe one more time...these things are what matters to me. I wouldn't trade that for the world.
The Game
Well it sucked. I'm not going to has out all the X & O stuff. That will get beat to death over the next 12 months. I said to my son in the first quarter that the two empty offensive possessions when we could have taken a 10+ point lead on them was a big miss. I was right on that one. Before the Game I said to @RB07OSU that one teams passing game was going to carve up a very suspect secondary. I was half right about that one. I had the team backwards.
State of the Program & Ryan Day
In 2004 tsun had the better coach/QB combo on paper with Carr and Henne. Tressel took the far less heralded Troy Smith, did something completely different than tsun imagined and grabbed the upper hand for 3 years. Folks, we are in that same position right now. We can either learn quickly and adapt or we can stick our head in the sand like they did and run the risk of a 15-20 year face plant like we watched them go through.
Ryan Day is in over his head. He is not as good of a head coach as Harbaugh. He isn't. Deal with it. Day was a hot shot coordinator given a head coaching gig that he didn't have the experience for. It's the Peter Principle played out yet again. Guys like Coombs were great position coaches who were promoted to their highest level of failure as coordinators. Day is a fantastic QB coach, a tremendous OC, he is not ready to be a HC at this level yet. It's not Meyer's first complete swing and miss on an assistant coach.
tsun is ahead of us at some key position groups. They may not be recruiting the same kind of players but they are getting more out of what they have most noticeably in the defensive secondary, offensive line and for right now, you have to say QB and RB.
I keep hearing the Day = Cooper line and I would make a slight argument against that. To me Day = Earle Cooper.
Hate Week
The older I get the more I love it. It's Christmas week for (alleged) adults. You can't base your enjoyment of the week itself based on what gift you might get from Santa. The old fat bastard either comes through or he doesn't. What he does isn't on me, how I react to it is what I can control and I choose to love the week no matter what a Saturday may bring. Getting back to Columbus, meeting friends, being with family seeing the campus and the 'Shoe one more time...these things are what matters to me. I wouldn't trade that for the world.
The Game
Well it sucked. I'm not going to has out all the X & O stuff. That will get beat to death over the next 12 months. I said to my son in the first quarter that the two empty offensive possessions when we could have taken a 10+ point lead on them was a big miss. I was right on that one. Before the Game I said to @RB07OSU that one teams passing game was going to carve up a very suspect secondary. I was half right about that one. I had the team backwards.
State of the Program & Ryan Day
In 2004 tsun had the better coach/QB combo on paper with Carr and Henne. Tressel took the far less heralded Troy Smith, did something completely different than tsun imagined and grabbed the upper hand for 3 years. Folks, we are in that same position right now. We can either learn quickly and adapt or we can stick our head in the sand like they did and run the risk of a 15-20 year face plant like we watched them go through.
Ryan Day is in over his head. He is not as good of a head coach as Harbaugh. He isn't. Deal with it. Day was a hot shot coordinator given a head coaching gig that he didn't have the experience for. It's the Peter Principle played out yet again. Guys like Coombs were great position coaches who were promoted to their highest level of failure as coordinators. Day is a fantastic QB coach, a tremendous OC, he is not ready to be a HC at this level yet. It's not Meyer's first complete swing and miss on an assistant coach.
tsun is ahead of us at some key position groups. They may not be recruiting the same kind of players but they are getting more out of what they have most noticeably in the defensive secondary, offensive line and for right now, you have to say QB and RB.
I keep hearing the Day = Cooper line and I would make a slight argument against that. To me Day = Earle Cooper.
- Like Earl, he is a likeable person. We all want him to succeed and my almost all metrics he is tremendously successful.
- Like Cooper the one place he's coming up far short is the only one that matters.
- Like Earl, I fear that if you let the guy who just isn't the same caliber as his predecessor keep going and he'll take us to a very dark place.
- Like Cooper, the program takes on the personality of it's head coach and I see a lot of "oh shit" in those eyes and I can feel the sphincters' tighten when faced with an opponent that can hit back.
Upvote
0
Nice job bringing in the Earle comparison. I thought a lot about that after the game. Like Earle the no HC/promotion from in house coordinator sticks out. Also like Earle followed a legend in Woody, he is following a legend (to many) in Urban. That rarely works out for the follower and you can ask Michigan about Moeller.
Upvote
0
and like Earl, Day took over a team so loaded that his deficiencies didn't become apparent right away. 9 years later we were not a national power, we were a regional one.
Between Earl and Cooper it was a 22 year window that I'd just as soon never go though again. Gene Smith has a bold decision to make and being a life long, career bureaucrat I don't expect him to make it. We better all settle in for a long winters nap because we haven't seen Day's floor yet. We are just now seeing the tip of the iceberg and the initial downward trend. Earle lost two years in a row to fucking Indiana by the end.
Anyone who thinks Day has some sort of edge over guys like Fickell, Riley or Harbaugh is fooling themselves imo.
Upvote
0
200 less pounds and a lot more likeable human being but, yeah. Hot shot OC with no HC experience to prepare him for a job as big as the one he failed at.
Upvote
0
Jake
Once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye
‘17 The Deuce Champ
Fantasy Baseball Champ
'18 The Deuce Champ
I think part of that was their DBs were put in better positions than ours. They played two-deep zone a lot. CJ often had time but nowhere to go with it.
Knowles couldn't resist the urge to blitz a QB who hadn't shown the ability to go deep, giving him multiple chances to beat man coverage. Without Corum, I think it would've been more prudent to make JJ nickel and dime his way down the field. They didn't put together a drive like that until late in the third, but by then they had already hit three home runs.
Upvote
0
Jake
Once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye
‘17 The Deuce Champ
Fantasy Baseball Champ
'18 The Deuce Champ
Four red zone trips produced a total of 13 points. After getting there the first two possessions, the Bucks didn't get there again until midway through the 4th.
Even with some missing pieces, there's too much talent on offense to be that inefficient.
Upvote
0
Gunlife
Hall of Fame
You guys calling for a new hc are hopefully just prisoner's of the moment.
Day just went 11-1 and won all 11 by double digit points. That guy's not getting fired. Just not gonna happen. Now he was just embarrassed in THE GAME, and better fix it by next year.. but there is no decision for Gene to make. 11-1 is hard to do. PERIOD.
Day just went 11-1 and won all 11 by double digit points. That guy's not getting fired. Just not gonna happen. Now he was just embarrassed in THE GAME, and better fix it by next year.. but there is no decision for Gene to make. 11-1 is hard to do. PERIOD.
Upvote
0
1926Buckeyes
Head Coach
No way go describe it other than a complete failure and wasted season. 364 days lead up to yesterday and nothing that happened before matters now. It's like playing a video game over and over only to fail at the same level once again. You want to reset but you just have to wait to go through it in 10 months.
Not sure if I hate the Cooper comparison because its already worn out, or cause it's very possibly true. Has to be both. Personally, I think Day gets it and is serious about TTUN. More serious than Cooper ever was. He's also serious about building fortitude in his teams. Unfortunately it doesn't matter because he failed.
They went into the Game with a great gameplan. The fifth string RB gashed TTUN in the first half. The run game was creative. There were chunk plays and a few gambles. But once again there was lack of execution by even the best players and lack of guts to gamble further.
What we saw in the 2nd half was what I think has haunted this team all year: a lack of total trust and confidence. CJ never fully trusted more than 1 receiver. Day never trusted the offense to pick up yards in the most crucial moments. And most importantly, there was little trust in the defense to stop an elite rushing attack without recklessly blitzing and having your secondary overpursue into oblivion.
Coming into the season, this was going to be the Jaxon Smith-Njigba show. He and CJ had a mind meld that could tear apart any secondary. Add in talents like MHJr and Egbuka getting single coverage against 2nd corners and safeties, and Day/Wilson could manipulate almost any defense. Then JSN went down. Well the running game was improved. Then both RBs became hobbled. And that's when Day froze up. He had a choice to make. Prepare for what was in front of you, or hope for the best. And he hoped for the best. They needed to rely on someone consistent to build off of, and Hayden was the unlikely hero. But Day didn't see it that way. That's why nothing looks cohesive, because it isn't.
So what you got was impressive scheming, but nothing that could last or be depended upon in key moments. And without the core running game that Day himself has harped on, the passing game lost consistent PA shot plays, had no rhythm past a handful of drives each game, and CJ looked into tight windows with WRs he didn't fully trust, and refused to pull the trigger when he needed to. Sometimes there is no schematic answer, you have to depend on something you believe in, and deep down I'm not sure this team believed in any one thing after the bye week.
4 years in and Day is at a crossroads. He has to decide now whether he wants to win at all costs, or try to win his way and move on sooner than later.
OSU has to attack the portal aggressively to not only fill holes, but push players to be better. Find guys who are talented and desperate to win. Offensively they have the talent and for the most part the players. Build something that you believe in.
On defense, I'm not so sure. Knowles certainly improved things, but it broke down quickly. They need a front 7 they can trust to stop the run without overaggressive pursuit, and a lot of work in the secondary.
1 day down, 364 to go.
Not sure if I hate the Cooper comparison because its already worn out, or cause it's very possibly true. Has to be both. Personally, I think Day gets it and is serious about TTUN. More serious than Cooper ever was. He's also serious about building fortitude in his teams. Unfortunately it doesn't matter because he failed.
They went into the Game with a great gameplan. The fifth string RB gashed TTUN in the first half. The run game was creative. There were chunk plays and a few gambles. But once again there was lack of execution by even the best players and lack of guts to gamble further.
What we saw in the 2nd half was what I think has haunted this team all year: a lack of total trust and confidence. CJ never fully trusted more than 1 receiver. Day never trusted the offense to pick up yards in the most crucial moments. And most importantly, there was little trust in the defense to stop an elite rushing attack without recklessly blitzing and having your secondary overpursue into oblivion.
Coming into the season, this was going to be the Jaxon Smith-Njigba show. He and CJ had a mind meld that could tear apart any secondary. Add in talents like MHJr and Egbuka getting single coverage against 2nd corners and safeties, and Day/Wilson could manipulate almost any defense. Then JSN went down. Well the running game was improved. Then both RBs became hobbled. And that's when Day froze up. He had a choice to make. Prepare for what was in front of you, or hope for the best. And he hoped for the best. They needed to rely on someone consistent to build off of, and Hayden was the unlikely hero. But Day didn't see it that way. That's why nothing looks cohesive, because it isn't.
So what you got was impressive scheming, but nothing that could last or be depended upon in key moments. And without the core running game that Day himself has harped on, the passing game lost consistent PA shot plays, had no rhythm past a handful of drives each game, and CJ looked into tight windows with WRs he didn't fully trust, and refused to pull the trigger when he needed to. Sometimes there is no schematic answer, you have to depend on something you believe in, and deep down I'm not sure this team believed in any one thing after the bye week.
4 years in and Day is at a crossroads. He has to decide now whether he wants to win at all costs, or try to win his way and move on sooner than later.
OSU has to attack the portal aggressively to not only fill holes, but push players to be better. Find guys who are talented and desperate to win. Offensively they have the talent and for the most part the players. Build something that you believe in.
On defense, I'm not so sure. Knowles certainly improved things, but it broke down quickly. They need a front 7 they can trust to stop the run without overaggressive pursuit, and a lot of work in the secondary.
1 day down, 364 to go.
Upvote
0
Earle Bruce was 11-1 his first year and came within a 2 point conversion of a NC.
Were you around for the end of his tenure?
Upvote
0