tOSU vs. USC 08 & 09 series

[OCBucksFan]

The Tressel-Carroll match up will definitely be the most intriguing, because even with the Vest's Success, he has come up short in the wins, and titles department. Seeing these two square off will surely be the highlight of that year.

What are you talking about? "come up short in the wins and titles department?" They both have 2 NC appearances, both have 1 NC, with USC having an AP title for a non-title appearance over one of the biggest debacles since the bcs came to be.

Also, in the rose Bowl, Carroll gets a huge advantage, if he wins the pac-10 he doesn't have to travel for his bowl game, whereas any big-10 team is traveling across the country and hoping their fans can make the journey and get tickets.

Both records are great, both get the prime recruits in their state, it should be a great series. I am not ready to give an advantage to anyone and not based on the teams I am looking at right now, there will be too many changes in the next year.

 

[suckatsports]

jwinslow:
I'm an OSU fan. I love OSU, but we have to stay realistic here.

Yes, let's look at the schedule for '06, both those losses were on the road. They were at Oregon St. and at UCLA (Pasadena). I would love for the Buckeyes to win this one, I want them to go undefeated every year. But I'm not sure how many what the edges we or pretty much any other team have on USC year in and year out.

 

[brutus2002]

I like the fact that USC will be losing a ton on the OL and will start a new QB. Hopefully they have early entrants into the NFL on the defensive side of the ball.

I think the winner of this game puts themself in the 2008 NC game. OSU has PSU and Michigan at home next year. The defense will be awesome and the offense will be a year older. I think we win a close game.

As far as USC is concerned. The have a great program but I'm not so sure they aren't being overhyped this year. Nebraska is a decent team and I would bet that Washington could hang if not beat the Huskers. We will see how this year prgresses. I will admit that SC starts out of the gate well under Caroll. We will see how they finish this year.

IMO OSU will not be intimidated by USC. The thing that worries me is early season mistakes like turnovers. WE cannot turn the ball over more than twice or we will get beat soundly.

OSU 24-USC 21

 

[OCBucksFan]

methomps, but what's the word among the SC faithful about Mustain? Is he a credible challenge to Sanchez for the QB spot? Has Sanchez seen much mop-up duty so far this season?

I really hope to see Sanchez start next year, he's pretty much loved around the area where I live, considering he went to HS like 5 miles from my office.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

What are you talking about? "come up short in the wins and titles department?" They both have 2 NC appearances, both have 1 NC, with USC having an AP title for a non-title appearance over one of the biggest debacles since the bcs came to be.

[SARCASM]Since 2002 Petey is 61-6 while Tressel is only 58-9...not even close.[/SARCASM]

 

[suckatsports]

methoms: I'm not sure what you mean by staying in character, and what about believability. But, thanks?

OC Bucks Fan: Last I checked, when we (tOSU) count the national titles that we have, we include all those AP, and other voter titles to give us our huge numbers, there's no reason to not count the AP giving USC theirs. Also, the wins department, Tressel comes close, but Carroll has 60+ wins and 6 losses. Not saying it's a lot, but it's still a margin. Also, BCS doesn't always put USC in the Rose Bowl, because they get snatched up the fastest. They just happen to be there during the national championship.

MililaniBuckeye: Check the results, BSU is wholly unempressive on the road versus the Pac-10, I'm not even sure they've won a game in their last 10, or if they did, they're like 1-10. Also, BSU this year is a far cry from the team that beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, they lost a lot people. Comparing that undefeated team with the team that held the undefeated games streak for this season is a tad foolish. Washington also played Syracuse, and they got blown out by Iowa, who lost to Iowa State.

BGriff: I'm not elevating Joe McNight, but I am saying that his playing time mirrors that of Reggie Bush in his freshman season. But, let's even forget about that. They have 5 other backs on the roster (and I didn't say they were the best in the nation - just could start on just about any other team) that are sophomores and juniors that are proven.

jwinslow: I forgot to add this, but last I checked, Mike Williams and Dwayne Jared couldn't break 4.6 if they were riding in a car, and they happen to shatter USC and Pac-10 receiving records left and right. Speed isn't the only thing receivers need.

 

[brutus2002]

Suckasports

USC has one NC under Pete. You can throw that 2003 AP trophy in the garbage because the real trophy resides in Baton rouge. The PAC-10 has been down the last 5 years. Washington a perrenial power has tanked, UCLA THEIR ARCH RIVAL HAS SUCKED, ASU is up and down, and Oregon has great offense and no defense. Cal has been the only team able to smack SC down in that conference.

What is the difference between the 2002&2006 two loss trojans and the NC appearance trojans of 2003-2005...Reggie Bush. He a once in a lifetime player for any coach. He gone and was the difference maker. They would have another loss to Cal, a loss to Fresno State, and maybe 1 NC appearance in that three years stretch without Bush.

SC started out alot more impressive last year with their beat down of Arkansas. Nebraska this year isn't crap compared to Arkansas of last year. USC got exposed on defense against Nebraska in their secondary. If Nebraska had a good run defense that would have been a nail biter. Cal will beat USC this year and I'm waiting to see if another team in the PAC-10 can play some defense. Washington State will put up some points on SC this weekend. We'll see but they are not as unbeatable as SC or the media think.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

MililaniBuckeye: Check the results, BSU is wholly unempressive on the road versus the Pac-10, I'm not even sure they've won a game in their last 10, or if they did, they're like 1-10. Also, BSU this year is a far cry from the team that beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, they lost a lot people. Comparing that undefeated team with the team that held the undefeated games streak for this season is a tad foolish. Washington also played Syracuse, and they got blown out by Iowa, who lost to Iowa State.

Just who has USC played? Frickin' Idaho? And Nebaska will prove itself as having been ranked way too high in the preseason polls by the end of the year.

 

[jwinslow]

I think USC is tremendously talented, this year and next... but there will be heavy defections after this season.

I don't put much stock in dismantling a Nebraska squad that barely beat Wake Forest, who didn't even have their starting QB. Despite that, the backup threw a late game pass to the wrong team in the endzone.

I'm an OSU fan. I love OSU, but we have to stay realistic here.

Then apply that standard both ways. I'm well aware of the challenge that awaits OSU.

Yes, let's look at the schedule for '06, both those losses were on the road. They were at Oregon St. and at UCLA (Pasadena).

The back to back games I spoke of were at home... with narrow wins against Wash & WSU, unlike the bad losses you claimed awaited every Coliseum visitor.

jwinslow: I forgot to add this, but last I checked, Mike Williams and Dwayne Jared couldn't break 4.6 if they were riding in a car, and they happen to shatter USC and Pac-10 receiving records left and right. Speed isn't the only thing receivers need.

I didn't make speed the measuring stick between the squads, you did. Both have plenty of upside, just not in terms of speed. Both have a long way to reach the Mike/Dwayne plateau, and Jarrett has much better football speed than the new two.

BGriff: I'm not elevating Joe McNight, but I am saying that his playing time mirrors that of Reggie Bush in his freshman season. But, let's even forget about that. They have 5 other backs on the roster (and I didn't say they were the best in the nation - just could start on just about any other team) that are sophomores and juniors that are proven.

Actually you did say that, or I would not have called you on it.

OC Bucks Fan: Last I checked, when we (tOSU) count the national titles that we have, we include all those AP, and other voter titles to give us our huge numbers, there's no reason to not count the AP giving USC theirs.

Yes there is, the rules changed since then. USC, through no fault of their own, ducked the competition. Miami 02, Oklahoma 04, USC 05, OSU 06 would have rolled UM 03, but had to play true NC opponents.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Yes, let's look at the schedule for '06, both those losses were on the road. They were at Oregon St. and at UCLA (Pasadena).

Tell me you really don't consider the UCLA game a "road" game...

 

[sandgk]

[In re "suckatsports"

You have possibly the most appropriate moniker on the entire site.

No, he would have to rename himself "SuckAtAnalYsis" now, that would be wildly appropriate.

(And I think methomps hit the nail on the head in the first round, C- for believability, A+ for staying "in character").

 

[RoscoeParrish]

OSU 24-USC 21

You're calling the score of the game a year out? There will be so many different players, some of which are not even in college yet.

Got any lotto numbers for me while you're at it?

 

[OCBucksFan]

OC Bucks Fan: Last I checked, when we (tOSU) count the national titles that we have, we include all those AP, and other voter titles to give us our huge numbers, there's no reason to not count the AP giving USC theirs. Also, the wins department, Tressel comes close, but Carroll has 60+ wins and 6 losses. Not saying it's a lot, but it's still a margin. Also, BCS doesn't always put USC in the Rose Bowl, because they get snatched up the fastest. They just happen to be there during the national championship.

We count our AP NC's because there was no BCS, there was no agreement of who decided the National Title, thus you have schools like Alabama claiming 300 National titles. As for their record, Pete, since coming to USC is 67-12, it's remarkably close to Jims of 65-14, Both have 2 BCS national title game appearances, and 1 BCS NC to show for it. As for them not always being in the Rose Bowl, they were three three of the last 4 years (2004, 2006, 2007), winning 2 against Michigan and losing 1 to Texas.

Pete Carroll has done wonders for that program, it will be a battle, but I wouldn't go writing the Bucks off just yet.

 

[Taosman]

08 USC is taking this game very seriously. They have scheduled the week before and week after off.
We better be ready cause SC would have no problem in putting 40-50 on us if they can.

 

[suckatsports]

We count our AP NC's because there was no BCS, there was no agreement of who decided the National Title, thus you have schools like Alabama claiming 300 National titles.

Yeah, and we do the same. How many of our Championships are voted on by media groups who don't even watch football. They created the BCS, but there's no reason to say that the USC championship is any more iligitamate than the 5 of ours voted by the CFRA, whoever that is. I'm sure if we were in USC shoes, we would surely count that AP championship. Plus, they have a trophy.

All I'm saying is, that to give an edge pretty much anywhere on offense to Ohio State versus a school that has had three Heisman trophy winners in the last 5 years is premature. And especially one who has regularly churned out impressive offensive performances over those years. Yeah, OSU had a great offense the last two years through the emergence of Troy Smith, but to say that this team is developing into some kind of offensive juggernaut is misleading.