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2023 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

man, I love OSU football. Recruiting has always been one of my favorite aspects to track over the years.....class rankings and projecting depth charts for these teams 2-3 yrs out now is no longer a thing. The roster turnover from year to year is insane. Tough to fall in love with certain Buckeyes when you truly only get to enjoy their greatness for a year or 2. and now with transfers, injuries/opt outs, ect... sometimes even less than that.
 
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This is a post being shared on a few MBs, that I thought I'd share here:

Well, I just checked back in with my SD sources about Lincoln..

"FYI. The entire Washington staff was in town last weekend hanging with Lincoln. Second trip in two weeks. Today, OSU had a couple coaches, including QBs coach at the school to meet with him and to eat lunch with him and a few of his teammates. They stayed the whole day and will be eating with the family tonight. Next week, Day is coming to Pierre to do the same thing."

After I texted him back on where he thought he would be going..

"Washington offered him 250k for signing.."

Getting outbid by freaking Washington isn't good
 
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This is a post being shared on a few MBs, that I thought I'd share here:



Getting outbid by freaking Washington isn't good

Should we be bidding over 250k for a 3 star project QB though? Seems like something a Washington type school would do but not a elite school.
 
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I don't think Ohio State is playing that game. Nor is Alabama from my understanding. Their pitch is come here and NIL money will follow.
OSU is not, but Bama definitely is. That is mainly how they're getting Keon Keeley. His uncle has already been rumored to be cashing checks under the guise of some type of student guidance, or a vague title from their collective.
There's a reason why Saban has so many players in the Portal. He's reconstructing the team with NIL help and through the Portal.
 
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Credit to SCLA on 11W for this quote and some perspective on the class. This poster has been crazy accurate and seems very plugged into the program:

"This is not hyperbole. This is exactly what is happening. And, instead of becoming enraged at the recruiting misses that Ohio State will surely suffer due to the incompetence of its third-party NIL collectives, this fan base perhaps should double-down its appreciation of most every recruit who will honor their commitment because most of them have chosen to turn down significant offers from credible programs because they believe in the ideals and values of the same program that so many of you love."
 
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this fan base perhaps should double-down its appreciation of most every recruit who will honor their commitment because most of them have chosen to turn down significant offers from credible programs because they believe in the ideals and values of the same program that so many of you love.
In other words, "Ohio State Men". Got it.
 
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Woo buddy, this is a long, dreary, post, but tells the reality of where OSU is in the NIL landscape. Part of the post is above, this is the whole thing in its entirety:

Whatever the source is claiming that SEC schools have $30 million is either (a) excuse-making for their own deficiencies; or (b) lying. Ole Miss does not have a $30 million NIL fund. Vanderbilt? Ha. Mississippi State? Laughable. Indeed, that is one of the primary reasons why Lane was flirting with the Auburn job (and the reason he would absolutely jump to the NFL tomorrow...if a team would have him). In the SEC, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, and Alabama have the best resourced NIL funding. Auburn and A&M likely approach the $30 million mark in terms of total access to capital. I think of Georgia as effectively having unlimited funds in practical terms since their model is not solely dependent on collectives. The other programs realistically can access between $15-20 million in funding. To be candid, it is almost impossible to truly discern total cash on hand with any specificity. In some cases, a donor might pledge X funds over a defined duration, and these funds may not be fully realized. In these cases, the fund value might include pledges that have not been made manifest as cash. Also, there is a different priority ascribed to varying player acquisition strategies at different programs. For example, Ole Miss is quite selective about picking and choosing HS recruits, but will invest readily in transfers. It's almost impossible to compare SEC fund values and their application in an apples-apples context.

What is NOT hard to compare is the efficacy of the current Ohio State NIL program compared to the above-referenced SEC programs. I believe that any reasonable, objective person would have ample reason to believe that Ohio State should have one of the most successful, prominent, well-managed, best resourced NIL initiatives in America. Simply put, it does not. Not even close. And, it's not a function of a preference to prioritize current player/locker room culture instead of upfront guarantees to incoming recruits. From the outside looking in, it's a product of incomprehensible incompetence on the part of the collectives. If it is true that the most prominent collective has only resourced $3 million in the nearly 18 months since NIL was effectively legalized (and I have reason to believe that this quoted value is at least in the universe of truth), then that is an admission of both remarkable neglect, shiftlessness, and - ultimately - arrogance.

No one at Ohio State should be surprised when some of the best players in America - true game-changers who project as R1 NFL draft picks - choose other schools this recruiting cycle. It isn't because of coaching staffs, schemes, NFL development, academics, S&C programs, post-playing career professional development, or any typical reason associated with "before times" recruiting. It will be because the Ohio State collectives failed in a massive way to do...anything substantive. I know everyone on this board loves Ohio State, but if essentially identical programs that competed at the highest stakes in terms of on field competition and NFL development were recruiting you with equal competence and vigor, and one said, "We can offer you 1X...but it might take us a few months to pull together the money because our collectives have been asleep at the wheel...but don't worry, our athletic director is going to send out a press release encouraging Joe Fan to reach deep into his pocket this post-pandemic holiday season" and the other program said, "We value our partnership so much that we want to make an investment in you of 5X and here's the money. Go deposit it, and let's put your family's mind at ease so that we can move past financial logistics and concentrate on how we maximize you as a player and person," objectively, which program would you choose?

This is not hyperbole. This is exactly what is happening. And, instead of becoming enraged at the recruiting misses that Ohio State will surely suffer due to the incompetence of its third-party NIL collectives, this fan base perhaps should double-down its appreciation of most every recruit who will honor their commitment because most of them have chosen to turn down significant offers from credible programs because they believe in the ideals and values of the same program that so many of you love.

If all true(which is very believable), than 2023 is a blessing. But we’re not gonna be so lucky in 2024 if OSU doesn’t get their NIL game together. Set up some monthly subscriptions like has been stated before. Setup QR codes around the stadium. All these things are done at other programs. OSu Has to get it together
 
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Credit to SCLA on 11W for this quote and some perspective on the class. This poster has been crazy accurate and seems very plugged into the program:
I think the issue is, eventually this whole NIL thing will have issues because of the transfer portal.

We can pay the best OL and DL prospects to come, however, they don't necessarily have to produce or stay.

I think it will work itself out eventually, after these players and programs realize that they are entering for a reason. The only players truly valuable are one's who were diamonds on bad teams. I have to give TTUN credit on this one, because they have a strong transfer game.

OSU hasn't figured that one either.
 
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With the numbers being thrown around for other players, $250k isn't even that much. If you think that player is worth it, then you fork over the money to get him
I think in 2/3 years people are going to realize that throwing $250k at a kid that hasn’t yet and may never provide value to your marketing efforts is a total waste of money. NIL money is going to go down, not up for actual NIL stuff. Now that doesn’t mean that boosters aren’t still going to throw money at people. But when a $1M investment for a player doesn’t return 3x the money these companies are going to lower their output. These kids now have it much better than they do in 3 years, although by then it may be a full on minor league by that point
 
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Woo buddy, this is a long, dreary, post, but tells the reality of where OSU is in the NIL landscape. Part of the post is above, this is the whole thing in its entirety:



If all true(which is very believable), than 2023 is a blessing. But we’re not gonna be so lucky in 2024 if OSU doesn’t get their NIL game together. Set up some monthly subscriptions like has been stated before. Setup QR codes around the stadium. All these things are done at other programs. OSu Has to get it together


Well bleep (recruiting forum edit) me. In the spirit of the holiday, I will say that if I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet I wouldn't be more surprised than I am right now. I didn't really have any fantasies about the Smails kid being competent but he had so many legit, well connected and successful people on board I never thought for a second that raising the money would be an issue.
 
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