And you hire two coaches that don't feel like recruiting a corner in a class while you're pumping out early declarations like crazy (to high draft slots).
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I've always been a big believer in Stud but offering a kid that has major offers of Iowa State and WVU isn't awesome. Our dominance IMO is all on Stud going forward because we know the WR/RB/QB rooms will be stacked. None of it matters without an elite OL room though.
I will say this for the new OL offer. It appears the kid really did an excellent job getting his body right. His Iowa State visit photo is impressive for an OL. At 6 foot 6 and 305 pounds he's certainly got a great build.
I will say this for the new OL offer. It appears the kid really did an excellent job getting his body right. His Iowa State visit photo is impressive for an OL. At 6 foot 6 and 305 pounds he's certainly got a great build.
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We have arguably the best OL line in the country right now and one of the best ever at OSU. Due to injuries to Munford and Miller we have had to go 7 deep to accomplish this.
THAT is what is showing up on the field. Stud is in his sixth year. He owns that.
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According to 247
Matt Jones and NPF were primarily recruited by Greg Schiano.
Harry Miller and Enokk Vimahi primary recruiter is listed as Ryan Day
Dewand Jones was recruited by Kevin Wilson
Paris Johnson Jr primary recruiter is listed as Coombs
T Munford & Ryan Jacoby -Studwara
In fact here is Stud's complete recruiting history (247). Not the difference between Primary and Secondary recruiter designation
Highest ranked OL he has recruited for OSU as the primary recruiter is Donovan Jackson. Let's hope he is as good as he looks so far because anyone can go look at the depth chart by class and see how quick the OL talent and depth start to become a real concern.
Looks like he might be more of a renter than an owner.
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Not arguing he can recruit - directly. But as long as he is delivering lineman to the NFL they will want to play here and others can recruit them. Put a poor OL on the field and let's see how Coombs and Wilson do.
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Likewise, let's see how he does with his gang of fallbacks and if he can keep the NFL pipeline flowing.
Seems like a heck of a gamble given the skill position talent that is going to be in place the next 2-3 years.
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This is all true, but isn't it all a gamble? Coming from a gambler you definitely try to get the odds in your favor by pulling in all the top rated guys but when you can't you find the guys that fit the vision of what you want your Oline to look like right? Studs been filling in, or falling back, to guys that he can put in places to succeed here, so far. I mean, that's what we scream at these coaches to do put guys in position to succeed.
If Orlando Pace clone is out there, you sell your family to sign him. When he chooses someone else, you find the best guy you can to fill a role. That is sometimes a lower ranked guy that balls out when he gets on campus. Even the blue-chipper fails at times so there's no foolproof answer to this stuff, both sides are right really. Lots of things they could try but I'd rather not lose Studs coaching ability unless the best guy to do it is available and I dont know who that is.
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Once again I will point to the transfer portal.
Not suggesting it is a replacement for solid recruiting, but OSU is a prime target for a great lineman in a lower tier program for the very reason you point out - we are deep everywhere else.
One time immediate transfer changes everything.
And no, there is nobody in the portal right now. We will recruit them. NCAA rules be damned, there are plenty of alumni who can drop the word.
Bball is different as one player can turn a program. But Holtman was talking recently about how they will look less at recruits and more at transfers going forward.
This will work in football too in a more limited way. But the new model makes the majority of teams a farm system for the big dogs like us. We just haven't exploited it yet.
PSU and MSU each start 5 transfers. Rutgers and Maryland 8 each.
We have zero. Our biggest recruiting miss last year was Too Too.
Bama satisfied two major needs with 5* transfers - and that is who we are chasing.
If you want to look at a recruiting failure look here.
We should have no problem cherry picking an OL or two should the need arise. But if we aren't focused on that part of the process we are making a mistake.
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OLine is the worst to project for future production. Schools run triple option, T-wing, spread, wishbone, read option, etc... Just get a big body that has athleticism and is willing to work.
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Another argument for the portal. Let the farm system do the projections and we will pick from the winners.
We are Ohio State for Christ's sake.
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come on man.So the plan is that the portal will have a level of OL talent that it hasn't demonstrated it will produce yet because...we have a big alumni base?
If that's the case why doesn't the OSU alumni recruiting mafia just help Stud recruit HS kids in the first place?
Listen, I hope everyone pans out and the transfer portal has a bumper crop of OL talent as a back up just in case but these straw man arguments about the rate by which HS OL pan out and fantasies about the transfer portal don't change the looming (potential) issues and the actual, underlying cause.
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Hey y'all, recruiting forum...had to clean up some language in recent posts you sailor mouths.
With that out of the way - obviously not ideal OL recruiting quite yet, but I am not throwing in the towel on the OL class yet. I don't think Greene or Dewberry are off the table yet, plus we could still get a flip or something later on. I like Tegra a ton and Fitzpatrick has plenty of upside, so I think we can still put together a good class. Plus I love Donovan Jackson and Christman in the last class, and likewise think Michalski has tremendous potential. Not ideal numbers and Stud has had to go to some backup options, but I'm far from panicking based on the on-field results so far.
With that out of the way - obviously not ideal OL recruiting quite yet, but I am not throwing in the towel on the OL class yet. I don't think Greene or Dewberry are off the table yet, plus we could still get a flip or something later on. I like Tegra a ton and Fitzpatrick has plenty of upside, so I think we can still put together a good class. Plus I love Donovan Jackson and Christman in the last class, and likewise think Michalski has tremendous potential. Not ideal numbers and Stud has had to go to some backup options, but I'm far from panicking based on the on-field results so far.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
tOSU is at the front of the pack among blue blood programs and as such the fan base expects elite recruiting at all positions especially considering it happens regularly at most roster spots.
Having said that, it doesn’t change the fact that OL recruits are often cited as being the hardest to project. And, if we are talking about the elite dancing bear OTs then they are also very rare.
When a position coach puts a good product on the field, everyone is happy. When a coach works on a staff of elite recruiters and he isn’t one then he will always look bad despite the realities of OL recruiting and his units performance. When this happens at tOSU with a very demanding fan base then everything is kicked up even more intense. As a Buckeye fan I embrace this and it’s just one of many differences between me and a SCUM fan.
Having said that, it doesn’t change the fact that OL recruits are often cited as being the hardest to project. And, if we are talking about the elite dancing bear OTs then they are also very rare.
When a position coach puts a good product on the field, everyone is happy. When a coach works on a staff of elite recruiters and he isn’t one then he will always look bad despite the realities of OL recruiting and his units performance. When this happens at tOSU with a very demanding fan base then everything is kicked up even more intense. As a Buckeye fan I embrace this and it’s just one of many differences between me and a SCUM fan.
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